Speculation: Roster Building Thread: (still) No Quinn In NY Edition

[RangerBoy]

 

[bhamill]

Not pretending to have watched much of Carpenter but is he gonna be that much better than Brodz or Rooney?
If he’s not is our 4th line gonna be any better? Because you know gallant is playing him and Reaves.

I think some people are going to be surprised when Rydahl wins that 4C spot...

 

[McRanger92]

I didn't mention Matthew Tkachuk at all. That isn't even the route I would go sans Panarin as he'd eat up nearly all of the open space you'd get from not having Panarin. We could have fit in a good passer or 3 with Panarin's salary open.

You mistake me for someone who cares that Panarin plays on the perimeter. I don't, hes always done it and a ton of good players do it. My issue is that he played like a selfish idiot for a large chunk of last season and struggled to create space for himself for the first time in... well ever, which is a bigger issue than anyone is letting on.

Panarin was not great at even strength last year, but is it crazy to think that playing with Strome (who himself said he suffered the hip injury in Jan/Feb) and Hunt/Goodrow as his wingers all year may have affected that?

I think his underlying numbers will have a big bounce back playing Trocheck and one of Kakko or Kravtsov next year. Not overly concerned.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Tkachuk to the NJD makes sense. Their GM Fitzgerald is cousins with Keith Tkachuk.

Matt Tkachuck is exactly what their team needs. That would be a game-changing addition for the NJD.

 

[McRanger92]

Tkachuk to the NJD makes sense. Their GM Fitzgerald is cousins with Keith Tkachuk.

Matt Tkachuck is exactly what their team needs. That would be a game-changing addition for the NJD.

Is he signing there long-term? He will be playing in a lot of empty buildings.

He does make a ton of sense for them though.

 

[Fitzy]

Some of these franchises seem like they are in a perpetual rebuild without ever taking any concrete steps to improve themselves.

Young talent develops, leaves, has to be replaced.

Like feeder soccer clubs in Europe. Where is the parity?

 

[Luger]

Kreider-Zibanejad-Lafreniere
Panarin-Trocheck-Kravtsov

Laf on the top line, Krav on the second seems very optimistic. Add in injuries and that there's nobody to step into the wings of the first 2 lines when they happen. We're not in a great position.

The Rangers need to add a top-2 line wing.

 

[duhmetreE]

Some of these franchises seem like they are in a perpetual rebuild without ever taking any concrete steps to improve themselves.

Young talent develops, leaves, has to be replaced.

Like feeder soccer clubs in Europe. Where is the parity?

Seems like American born players don't want to stay in Canada.... Wait until Matthews wants out

 

[Mac n Gs]

I’m gonna will my completely irrational, never-happening scenario of Panarin for Matthew Tkachuk into reality. I don’t care what any of you say.

 

[duhmetreE]

I really want to be in on Ryan O'Reilly... I just don't see it happening without moving Panarin.

Have Zibs-RO'R-Trocheck down the middle, flanked by our kids at wing.... Some crazy depth

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Panarin was not great at even strength last year, but is it crazy to think that playing with Strome (who himself said he suffered the hip injury in Jan/Feb) and Hunt/Goodrow as his wingers all year may have affected that?

I think his underlying numbers will have a big bounce back playing Trocheck and one of Kakko or Kravtsov next year. Not overly concerned.

Getting Panarin away from Strome is a step in the right direction. Those 2 haven't been a good combo for a while now (and I'm afraid that we're going to go through the same think with Kreider and Zibanejad now.)

Panarin's issues last year were pretty independent of his line mates though. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that they had NO impact, but a lot of his problems were self inflicted and un fortunately, also looked like age based performance degradation, where there isn't anything anyone can really do to stop (and the #1 reason I was against signing him in the first place.)

I think Trocheck helps in that he will actually create more space for Panarin to operate than Strome ever did (which would be great, since if Panarin can't create space for himself anymore, he's going to need other people to do it for him), but only Artemi can stop himself from doing stupid things like trying to force a pass through 5 sets of bodies that has no chance of being completed or taking a marathon shift and then lacking the legs to be able to back check on an odd man rush that ends up in the back of your net.

 

[JimmyG89]

Seems like American born players don't want to stay in Canada.... Wait until Matthews wants out

Probably was exacerbated during COVID as well. There were already downfalls for playing there, but you'd have to think a high profile American player is going to want out of there unless paid well or the team is in contention.

Matthews hightailing it out of there would be insane. The wrath of Leafs fans would be incredible to see, especially if he leaves and they get nothing.

 

[bhamill]

Tkachuk to the NJD makes sense. Their GM Fitzgerald is cousins with Keith Tkachuk.

Matt Tkachuck is exactly what their team needs. That would be a game-changing addition for the NJD.

He would be great for their team, or ANY team. But what are they going to give up for him? Who besides Hughes is going to be there for him to play with? Does he really want to sign long term with a second fiddle team?

 

[One Winged Angel]

Getting Panarin away from Strome is a step in the right direction. Those 2 haven't been a good combo for a while now (and I'm afraid that we're going to go through the same think with Kreider and Zibanejad now.)

Panarin's issues last year were pretty independent of his line mates though. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that they had NO impact, but a lot of his problems were self inflicted and un fortunately, also looked like age based performance degradation, where there isn't anything anyone can really do to stop (and the #1 reason I was against signing him in the first place.)

I think Trocheck helps in that he will actually create more space for Panarin to operate than Strome ever did (which would be great, since if Panarin can't create space for himself anymore, he's going to need other people to do it for him), but only Artemi can stop himself from doing stupid things like trying to force a pass through 5 sets of bodies that has no chance of being completed or taking a marathon shift and then lacking the legs to be able to back check on an odd man rush that ends up in the back of your net.

Agree to a point.

The top-6 was almost devoid of RW production for 75% of the year. That absolutely has something to do with why the team's 5v5 production was terrible for a majority of the year.

You can't have a line where one player isn't contributing, because it makes the other 2 players easier to shut down. This was even worse with Panarin, because Strome was bad this year.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Dump Kreider for Tkachuk get it done Drury

 

[LOFIN]

Dump Kreider for Tkachuk get it done Drury

I'm sure Kreider would ecstatic to waive his NMC to go to Calgary.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I'm sure Kreider would ecstatic to waive his NMC to go to Calgary.

Who cares what he wants in this obviously unrealistic situation lol

 

[RangerBoy]

 

[bleedblue94]

Is he signing there long-term? He will be playing in a lot of empty buildings.

He does make a ton of sense for them though.

I look at st louis and ottawa. either he goes home with daddy or he goes to play with his brother for the next 7 years and daddy buys another house in ottawa

 

[LOFIN]

Who cares what he wants in this obviously unrealistic situation lol

"Hey, you're going to Calgary, so shuddafugaboutit"

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

How does Buchnevich feel about the Rodeo?

 

[bleedblue94]

I really want to be in on Ryan O'Reilly... I just don't see it happening without moving Panarin.

Have Zibs-RO'R-Trocheck down the middle, flanked by our kids at wing.... Some crazy depth

This is what I was saying on free agency day about trocheck being a true 3c on a real contender, that is the depth you have to really match the big boys. everyone losing their shit at me about that comment but it is how this plays out. losing panarin would hurt but all our young skill is on the wings, it would make a lot of sense but it isnt realistically happening.

it looks like they are going to pray chytil can evolve and then ride this team through the season and then hope they strike gold again in season and at the deadline with pro level trades and adds.

that being said i really think everyone around here should be prepared for some level of falloff this regular season compared to last year. there will be some level of regression but this is what needs to happen to be able to see what the kids have and then hope you can plug the holes later. the one issue is the org will be using up a lot of its trade chips doing it this way

How does Buchnevich feel about the Rodeo?

would think tank is the guy the blues try to get out to clear cap space this season and let ror walk or resign at a discount next summer to help make money work.

maybe stlouis needs to move both tank and buch to make things work, but the blues REALLY seem to like buch there a lot

 

[JimmyG89]

"Hey, you're going to Calgary, so shuddafugaboutit"

This is how Paulie will be dropping off Chris(topher) and Kravtsov in Calgary so they can get Tkachuk.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

yeah ok. He won't be 8th in scoring w/ no Gaudreau, he had a pretty crappy couple of years before this one. They'll get a lame return from St. Louis

Gaudreau gave Jarmo a huge smooch with tears in his eyes when he arrived at Columbus International Airport.

Seems like American born players don't want to stay in Canada.... Wait until Matthews wants out

Toronto isn't as painfully Canadian as Calgary or WInnipeg tho, they might be able to hang on to their Americans. Montreal and Vancouver to to an extent.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

This is what I was saying on free agency day about trocheck being a true 3c on a real contender, that is the depth you have to really match the big boys. everyone losing their shit at me about that comment but it is how this plays out. losing panarin would hurt but all our young skill is on the wings, it would make a lot of sense but it isnt realistically happening.

it looks like they are going to pray chytil can evolve and then ride this team through the season and then hope they strike gold again in season and at the deadline with pro level trades and adds.

that being said i really think everyone around here should be prepared for some level of falloff this regular season compared to last year. there will be some level of regression but this is what needs to happen to be able to see what the kids have and then hope you can plug the holes later. the one issue is the org will be using up a lot of its trade chips doing it this way


would think tank is the guy the blues try to get out to clear cap space this season and let ror walk or resign at a discount next summer to help make money work.

maybe stlouis needs to move both tank and buch to make things work, but the blues REALLY seem to like buch there a lot

Tara has a full no trade. I don’t think he’s going to waive to go there in a contract year.

Unless Calgary agrees to move him right away (which they might)