Speculation: Roster Building Thread: (still) No Quinn In NY Edition

[huerter]

It’s almost like the kids are trying to get away from the groomer who spends more time chasing them around the globe than with his fiancé.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Another entitled little prick

 

[SA16]

Well that is extremely disappointing, not that he is going to get traded, but the fact we are going to likely get well under his value because Drury didn’t recognize sooner that there was no spot for him on the team.

There was no spot on the team because he wasn't good enough to be on the team. I'm also not sure why he would expect to be full time on the team at this point. He was pick 28. There have been three players in his draft class taken between 15 and 140 to even play 100 games so far. Alex Romanov, pick 38, is the only player taken between pick 24 and pick 45 to have even played a full NHL season.

 

[Kovalev27]

Lundkvist like Andersson before him got here and was just bad. Nothing I liked about his play, size, skating. He looked like a child out there. Now he’s a late first rounder not a 7th overall so I don’t really care. Schneider Trouba Fox are all much much better players

 

[gravey9]

This is all @Amazing Kreiderman's fault. He needs to stop having favorite prospects and friendships with these guys. It's clearly bad luck.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

There was no spot on the team because he wasn't good enough to be on the team. I'm also not sure why he would expect to be full time on the team at this point. He was pick 28. There have been three players in his draft class taken between 15 and 140 to even play 100 games so far. Alex Romanov, pick 38, is the only player taken between pick 24 and pick 45 to have even played a full NHL season.

Who is he beating out? Our team is stacked with good young defensemen. We all knew either him or Jones would be traded. Is jones just not good either? Just because a 21-22 year old hasnt made the NHL yet because or some major competition in front of him, doesnt mean he is bad.

Not sure what those 3 players have to do with anything tbh?

 

[nyr2k2]

Seemed an inevitability that either he or Jones would be moved, and given that Nils has already played at a high level in the SHL. he seemed like the one more likely to want out if not immediately given time.

I disagree that we waited too long. Nils had one season here. You wanted to see him come here this season and compete and show he can excel in North America and force a move--either a move onto our team (maybe on the left?) or force a trade when his value was high. If he didn't want to do that, well, that's tough. Based on his combined NHL/AHL performance, what would his value have been at the TDL? Probably the same as it would have been a month ago or a week ago. The only thing impacting his value at this point is the trade request.

I harbor no ill will toward the guy. You have a limited window to make it, I always talk about that. He wants to go somewhere else, where he has a better chance of making it. Playing behind Trouba, Fox, Schneider, presumably Jones? That's a tough draw. I don't blame him for wanting out, though it would frustrate me if indeed he fails to report absent a trade. If Drury says he's working on a deal, you take him at his word (unless he has given you a reason not to) and go play, until a deal is made.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

guys i think Hartford is just that shitty.

I see NHL teams change AHL affiliates every year yet the Rongos have been in Hartford for what 30 years? Maybe if our AHL team was somewhere nicer our prospects wouldn't be running back to Europe so quickly

 

[Kovalev27]

And imo jones is light years ahead of lundkvist

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

guys i think Hartford is just that shitty.

I see NHL teams change AHL affiliates every year yet the Rongos have been in Hartford for what 30 years? Maybe if our AHL team was somewhere nicer our prospects wouldn't be running back to Europe so quickly

Lot of shit holes in Eastern Conference in the AHL. Springfield, Scranton, Bridgeport.

 

[nyr2k2]

guys i think Hartford is just that shitty.

I see NHL teams change AHL affiliates every year yet the Rongos have been in Hartford for what 30 years? Maybe if our AHL team was somewhere nicer our prospects wouldn't be running back to Europe so quickly

They have no problem signing AHL veterans who know full well what each city has to offer. I don't think it's Hartford itself. We've also had European kids play down there without issue--Pajuniemi, Chytil, Reunanen, etc. Your Andersson, Kravtsov, and now Lundkvist types, it's all about having played top-level hockey in Europe and thinking you deserve a spot in the NHL because of it (I hesitate to lump Lundkvist in, because he's just blocked).

Lot of shit holes in Eastern Conference in the AHL. Springfield, Scranton, Bridgeport.

Yup. Lots of places in the AHL, particularly in the East, are just as garbage as Hartford.

 

[LOFIN]

I'm not here to shit on Hartford, but would it be beneficial for the organization to have the AHL team closer to NY? Yes. It would be better for the players, and better for the organization as a whole.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I'm not here to shit on Hartford, but would it be beneficial for the organization to have the AHL team closer to NY? Yes. It would be better for the players, and better for the organization as a whole.

I mean its a 2.5 hour drive or train ride that's pretty close!

 

[LOFIN]

I mean its a 2.5 hour drive or train ride that's pretty close!

Yeah I mean it's better than what Vancouver had going with Utica lol, but when you look at the situation Toronto has you have to be pretty jealous. The amount of possibilities for added interactions between the AHL and NHL team if they were in the same city (let alone the same building) would be huge. Players would have a larger circle, coaches would be able to watch prospects easier, callups would be easier (though 2,5h drive is not really an issue there).

 

[bl02]

And imo jones is light years ahead of lundkvist

agreed but you would think some team would take a chance on a cost controlled young RHD. Drury needs to find a Hoglander type. Pain in the ass forward with some talent while guys like Othmann, Berard, Sykora and Cuylle marinate for a bit more..

 

[bl02]

We have his rights for 2 more years...wait it out...only fair value...no rush

this. Like we did with Kravtsov. I am sure plenty of teams were offering up 4th round picks for him. Not taking 30 cents on the dollar.

 

[romba]

Another kid who just wasn't good enough who thinks he's too good for the A. Kravtsov was at worst acceptable during his stint in the NHL and definitely had a case for some beef, which is far more than you could say for LA and NL.

Bubye. Don't let the door hit you, where the good lord split you.

 

[McRanger92]

See ya Nils, I'll never forget our 3 months together.

5 first rounders in 2017 & 2018 and 3 (Lias/Kravtsov/Lundkvist) have basically turned into fairy dust. The Bobrov Special.

At least K'Andre looks like a stud and Chytil is carving out a role in the middle 6.

 

[NYRFAN218]

I understand the trade request. I don’t understand not coming to camp. He just watched Kravtsov stay home after a trade request and it yielded no benefits for him. Come to camp and play. You don’t know what may happen and he’s one injury to the right side away from playing regularly.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Nils requested a trade and is unlikely to report to camp as per Brooks.

Shocked I am shocked

 

[Thirty One]

I understand the trade request. I don’t understand not coming to camp. He just watched Kravtsov stay home after a trade request and it yielded no benefits for him. Come to camp and play. You don’t know what may happen and he’s one injury to the right side away from playing regularly.

And if the goal of is a trade, I know I'd be much more willing to trade for a player if I get to see him playing in preseason games than sitting at home after one (poor) season in North America. Even the threat of skipping training camp is damaging to his trade prospects.

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

We need to stop drafting Swedes.

 

[UnSandvich]

Posted this in the specific thread too, but 90% of what was bad with Lundkvist was really Nemeth. He wasn't *great*, by any stretch, but he was substantially better in the roughly 1/4 of his time with the Rangers where he wasn't saddled with the corpse of Patrik Nemeth's hockey career.

 

[bobbop]

A lot has changed since Lundkvist was drafted. He will find a nice home somewhere and the Rangers will bank some additional assets. It happens.

 

[RGY]