Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Back from my HF sabbatical (and real life travel).

Regarding Husso, the word from my STL friends is they want to keep him and move Binnington retained.

Charlie "Sideburns" Lindgren is looking to get a guaranteed backup role on an NHL team more so than cashing out with the Blues, and with the Blues running out of time/Husso the priority, he's going to hit UFA. Enter the Rangers.

I'm all on the Nic Roy train. The Rangers have a lot of assets, use them to get a cost and term controlled young 2C. He won't cost that much (less than Strome/Copp/Trochek) and with the money saved, they can definitely bring back at least one of Vatrano or Motte.

Next year is also an audition season for all of Kravstov/Cullye/Othmann/Edstrom/Korczak/Garrand/Jones/Pajuniemi/Robertson at either the AHL or NHL level.

They're going to start pushing out some regulars and veterans if they can perform decently at what level they are assigned to. Not all will make it, some will be dealt or not able to hack it, but they'll know a lot more.

I see Lundkvist deal (what injury did hw have to end the year?).

Ironically it's time the Rangers start drafting the next pipeline of Ds and of course Cs.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Husso should get a big money deal. The Evolving Wild model projected a 4 year contract worth about $5M AAV. Edmonton tried to trade for Husso during the season. The Blues wouldn't do it.

When will teams learn, giving ridiculous contracts for goalies who have only played well for 40-50 games in a single season, you would think teams would learn their lesson by now. There have been quite a few examples of this over the last few years and I don't think it's worked out once.

Guess when teams are desperate.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

When will teams learn, giving ridiculous contracts for goalies who have only played well for 40-50 games in a single season, you would think teams would learn their lesson by now. There have been quite a few examples of this over the last few years and I don't think it's worked out once.

Guess when teams are desperate.

They really really want to get Binnington out of there.

 

[bbny]

Interested to see with Drury does this summer. In Drury I trust. I will say this, I want Laf, Kakko getting 15.5-16+ mins a game next year.

Kakko was already getting 15 1/2 this year.

I’d like to think Kravtsov is going to challenge for those minutes too. And Lafreniere if he switches to the right.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Kakko was already getting 15 1/2 this year.

I’d like to think Kravtsov is going to challenge for those minutes too. And Lafreniere if he switches to the right.

Kakko was getting between 10-13, not even close to 15.5

 

[RGY]

Get Nemeth out of here. Attach a pick to him. A team will take his full whopping $2.5 per for only 2 more years.

Bring back Copp and Motte. Let Strome walk. Vatrano walks unfortunately because I love that he shoots the puck. Try to convince Braun to come back.

Kreider-Zib-Kravtsov
Panarin-Copp-Blais
Lafreniere-Chytil-Kakko
Motte-Goodrow-Reaves/Rydahl

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones/Braun-Schneider
Lundkvist/Jones

Igor
Cheap vet UFA

At the deadline consider JT Miller or Patty Kane. Cuylke could push himself onto the roster halfway thru also

 

[mas0764]

2. The days of adding kids is over. Gallant will demand more vets where he can. The window is NOW.

That's not true.

We have the pieces to win now. We can't afford any more expensive older veterans.

What we can afford, and do need, are young centers.

Saying "we are done," adding kids is silly. No we're not.

 

[huerter]

Get Nemeth out of here. Attach a pick to him. A team will take his full whopping $2.5 per for only 2 more years.

Bring back Copp and Motte. Let Strome walk. Vatrano walks unfortunately because I love that he shoots the puck. Try to convince Braun to come back.

Kreider-Zib-Kravtsov
Panarin-Copp-Blais
Lafreniere-Chytil-Kakko
Motte-Goodrow-Reaves/Rydahl

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones/Braun-Schneider
Lundkvist/Jones

Igor
Cheap vet UFA

At the deadline consider JT Miller or Patty Kane. Cuylke could push himself onto the roster halfway thru also

Nemeth is gonna be in the TyJo trade. Have no worries.

 

[mas0764]

I love Lindgren but I am not against moving him.

His value will likely never be higher than it is now. He will not have a long career

Would rather move Trouba than Lindgren.

 

[bbny]

Kakko was getting between 10-13, not even close to 15.5

Ok. I guess NHL.com and Hockey Reference are both lying to me. I’ll go with you instead.

 

[mas0764]

So you have Chris Kreider, who just scored 50 goals, on a team he's played for for 11 years, for an organization he's been a part of for 14 years, who just made it into the ECF and he's waiving his NTC to uproot his life and do the team a favor...why exactly? He still has a 15 team NTC the years after so they can't just send him anywhere and whose to say the even need the space then.

Or you have Jacob Trouba, who wanted to come here, immediately signed a long term deal, is an important player on a successful team and once again...why is he waiving the clause when he gave up some salary in order to get it?

Both players are leaders in the room, wear an A, and were in the hunt to possibly wear the C. So what is their incentive for waiving? Because we need cap space and want them to? This is not like Claude Giroux waiving on a bad team with an expiring contract.

Maybe they will but to just assume it's easy is nonsense. And I'm one who never really thought NTC mattered much since players usually let the deals go through but there is a huge difference in someone waiving who hasn't been on a team forever or isn't on a team that is a cup contender and someone in these guys spots.

This is nice and all but math also exists.

The Rangers need the money badly.

They can squeak by for now but they would absolutely be better off if they had the money.

Tick, tock.

The day is coming on at least one if not both of those guys.

Lol Zegras....

He'll be a great hometown Ranger when we go for our 3rd cup in like a decade.

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Don't sign that contract extension, Trevor.

We will make room for you here.

 

[mas0764]

How potentially good/bad are these pairing:

Robertson-Fox
K'Andre-Lundkvist
Jones-Schneider

Excellent.

Make it happen. Trade Trouba and Lindgren for assets.

catastrophic

next year maybe.... in 3 years, awesome.

 

[RangerBoy]

When will teams learn, giving ridiculous contracts for goalies who have only played well for 40-50 games in a single season, you would think teams would learn their lesson by now. There have been quite a few examples of this over the last few years and I don't think it's worked out once.

Guess when teams are desperate.

Evolving Wild has Strome at $7M AAV. For that guy?

 

[Ola]

Schneider and Nemeth for Newhook

Nils and rights to Geo for Kailer Yamamoto

Chytil for Nic Roy

Resign Braun

Sign Jordie Benn (or any LD vet)

Kreider-Ziba-Kravy
Laf-Newhook-Kakko
Panarin-Yamamoto-Roy
Reeves-Goodrow-Blais
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Benn-Braun
Shesty

Naturally, the ‘3rd line’ is the match-up line.

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Would rather move Trouba than Lindgren.

Strong disagree

 

[RangerBoy]

Do we like Johan Larsson? $1.4M cap hit last season. He is a good quality player. Larsson was hurt most of last season with sports hernia surgery.





What is Larsson's value this summer?

 

[CLW]

That's not true.

We have the pieces to win now. We can't afford any more expensive older veterans.

What we can afford, and do need, are young centers.

Saying "we are done," adding kids is silly. No we're not.

Sure we need young C in the system and a steady stream of talent. Thats not what I'm saying. I'm talking the team we will play the next season.

The point is we already have Chytil. This is a team that is gearing up for serious cup runs. They are not going to add an even younger C behind Chytil on this team.

The Kid line should be the 2nd line next year but it won't happen with GG. They don't play Gallant style hockey so thats out. Since it won't happen the pieces have to be moved around. GG wants a shut down line (meaning solid vets on the 3rd line). They need a good 2 way C for Panarin. They talk about moving Laf to RW. GG wants an energetic heavy 4th line. How do you fit in more unfinished kids in this equation?

If anything GG benching Kakko was a bat signal he wants a team with a different look, think GG's Cast off Vegas team not current Lamborghini Colorado. Kids are out. Vets are in because GG wants physicality. "It's a man's game." Look at the last game. When GG got frustrated he wanted more brawn. That's him. That's his style. He leaves the X and O's for his assistants. This is a man who overplayed Reaves bc he's a big strong body. GG wants to dominate physically, it's clearly a priority for him.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Get Nemeth out of here. Attach a pick to him. A team will take his full whopping $2.5 per for only 2 more years.

Bring back Copp and Motte. Let Strome walk. Vatrano walks unfortunately because I love that he shoots the puck. Try to convince Braun to come back.

Kreider-Zib-Kravtsov
Panarin-Copp-Blais
Lafreniere-Chytil-Kakko
Motte-Goodrow-Reaves/Rydahl

Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Jones/Braun-Schneider
Lundkvist/Jones

Igor
Cheap vet UFA

At the deadline consider JT Miller or Patty Kane. Cuylke could push himself onto the roster halfway thru also

Nemeth can be buried in Hartford a la Wade Redden. Worst case scenario.

 

[Go Rangers]

Hes also the type of guy the Rangers never end up going after.

Then again, so was Motte and they got him.

Perfect post!

 

[Lays]

Excellent.

Make it happen. Trade Trouba and Lindgren for assets.



next year maybe.... in 3 years, awesome.

Lol yea let’s trade Lindgren to throw Matt Robertson out on the first pair next season

Schneider and Nemeth for Newhook

Nils and rights to Geo for Kailer Yamamoto

Chytil for Nic Roy

Resign Braun

Sign Jordie Benn (or any LD vet)

Kreider-Ziba-Kravy
Laf-Newhook-Kakko
Panarin-Yamamoto-Roy
Reeves-Goodrow-Blais
Lindgren-Fox
Miller-Trouba
Benn-Braun
Shesty

Naturally, the ‘3rd line’ is the match-up line.

Schneider has more value than Newhook. Newhook is struggling big time in the second half and doesn’t look like anything special. It’s like trading Schneider for Chytil except without his playoff run. Yamamoto isn’t even a center, unless you want to run with a 5’8 winger at C on our shut down line.

 

[Fitzy]

Excellent.

Make it happen. Trade Trouba and Lindgren for assets.



next year maybe.... in 3 years, awesome.

Not every player develops best by being thrust into a top NHL role too early.

You know that

 

[Go Rangers]

I said all along year three was going to be the year we needed to see the big step from him and after this playoffs I think we will see a much more consistent player. You could, COULD, very well see 20/30 next year from him which would be terrific. After that everything should fall into place. I also don't see the huberdeau comparison that a lot of people tried to toss around here, I think in the playoffs you saw a much more aggressive player type that will operate in directly areas. Huberdeau isn't that at all. I really liked someone that brought up shanahan. I can see that comparison but in a modern day mold. The bottom line is laffy grew and evolved by miles during this playoff run. He was a child in the regular season and he started playing like a man in the playoffs, and he was unafraid to back down from anyone which was so wonderful to see.

Just adding to your post that if he can get stronger and pick up his skating, look out.

He may be a little vanilla but he was extremely effective. When I look at chytil I don't see a 2c bc I don't think he has the offensive iq. He has the skills but not the mind for that. He would be a fantastic 3c that could play up in the lineup for injuries IF he can finally improve his faceoffs and keep growing his d game.

Realistically chytil has been more of a victim of stroke's deficiencies than anything bc if either of our top centers were good faceoff men than it doesn't highlight the issues with chytil at the dot, but bc your top 2cs were both offensively skilled guys that struggled at the dot and one in particular struggled in the d zone it just puts more pressure on the 3c to differentiate himself and not share the same flaws. That's part of the need for lineup diversity. How they go about replacing strome will have a bigger affect on this lineup than I think most people realize.

He’s another one who I would love to see get stronger.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Ok. I guess NHL.com and Hockey Reference are both lying to me. I’ll go with you instead.

So I went back and looked, because I regularly checked time on ice after games and never saw Kakko sniff 15 minutes in a while- and prior to his injury he was up around 16-19 minutes per game (back in January). I guess my post had some recency bias because earlier in the year he was getting some minutes to bring his average TOI for the season up to 15 1/2. I’m actually a little shocked to see it averaged that high, but you were right.

Unfortunately, his recent numbers (when the team was put together) had him between 10-13 minutes per game, which is where I was thinking.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Evolving Wild has Strome at $7M AAV. For that guy?

Thats.....terrible.

 

[Ola]

Schneider has more value than Newhook. Newhook is struggling big time in the second half and doesn’t look like anything special. It’s like trading Schneider for Chytil except without his playoff run. Yamamoto isn’t even a center, unless you want to run with a 5’8 winger at C on our shut down line.

Yeah, his size is perfect for a shut down C.