Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[bbny]

Copp



The team needs centers, bad. Mika is not going to be the 1C for forever. And there’s nothing else.



I can get behind this. It’s a short term hit but forces them to go young too 6 center hunting with their remaining trade assets.

The only thing is the UFA market seems to be pretty trash this year for stop gap centers. I haven’t looked enough to see if there are any expiring center contracts next season who they could acquire via trade for a reasonable price.

 

[mas0764]

You are obsessed with centers. I understand it. I am inclined to feel the same way.

That said, I think it’s bankable that Mika will be the 1C for the majority of his contract. The team really only needs to be looking for middle six, two way centers with the strength they have on the wings. Even if they find the next superstar C, they won’t be able to pay him.

These middle six players can be found in FA or in trades. It’s ok, and probably preferable, if they’re already 23-25 years old.

Well, centers are the most important position, but if we had no wingers under 28 and none in the pipeline I’d be bitching nonstop about that too.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

we’re gonna have some brutal cap issues over the next couple of seasons. we have too many good players who need to be re-signed.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

we’re gonna have some brutal cap issues over the next couple of seasons. we have too many good players who need to be re-signed.

A lot of it could be solved if we get out of Panarin's contract, but that's not a conversation for now

 

[NYR Viper]

People keep forgetting that the summer of ‘23 is going to be a significant problem when it comes to this team’s cap situation. The situation then needs to be a primary consideration for any contract signed over the next three months.

That summer also affords some possibilities for trades as well. Trouba, Kreider, Lindgren. The team will have a lot more information on how the young players are developing by then and it may allow for one or two of them to go at that time. Again, based on what’s in the pipeline, center is a key position. Copp to me, if he will accept a deal like Danault signed last offseason, is a no-brainer.

Motte is another one. Give term, keep the cap hit down.

This can fit next year. Gain another year of info on all of the young players and then make moves as needed at that time.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

we’re gonna have some brutal cap issues over the next couple of seasons. we have too many good players who need to be re-signed.

They're gonna pull some Tampa magic.

You think people were pissed when they did it? You aint seen nothing yet!

 

[tlk]

They're gonna pull some Tampa magic.

You think people were pissed when they did it? You aint seen nothing yet!

Gonna be beautiful all the hate

 

[brakeyawself]

we’re gonna have some brutal cap issues over the next couple of seasons. we have too many good players who need to be re-signed.

Don;'t think Panarin resigns in 2026. And Kreider and Trouba probably both out after their contracts are up.

But yea, we will. Have a feeling we are going to have Jones up full time next season, in that 3rd pair with Schneider. And then Othmann possibly sticks with the team after such a great D+1.

Kravtsov a big question mark. I'm still assuming we trade him, and unfortunately, probably Lundkvist. But on the bright side, we could probably package Kravtsov and Lundkvist for a very talented young center to play 2C. Because I still don't think we resign Strome, and as good as Chytil has been during the playoffs offensively, I still don't see a full time 2C in his game. Not sure who we could make a trade for, I was thinking someone like Krebs. Buffalo might have an extra young C to spare. Maybe some other teams out there with similar.

And then there is the draft, where I think we only have a 2nd round pick and some late picks, which stinks. As much as I love Othmann, Drury truly missed out on some AMAZING young centers in last years draft that went after Othmann. This team next year with someone like Wyatt Johnston, Raty or Stankoven at center, would be light years ahead of what we will be working with.

But hey, if we win the Cup. It'l all be worth it.

 

[BBKers]

Bread - Zib - Kreider
Laf - Chytil - KK
Kravtsov - Copp/young 2 C via trade - Blais
Othmann/Bargain bin vet - Goodrow - Reaves/Hunt

GOAT

 

[QJL]

Starting to think we go the same contract route for our kids that Tampa took with Kucherov and Point. I’m expecting Miller (4.5m), Laf (4m), Kakko (2.5m) on 3 year deals that take them to UFA and set them up for monster contracts. Copp gets a 5m x 7 year deal. Chytil gets a 3.5m x 4 year deal. Motte gets a 2m x 4 year deal. We cut the fat with Nemeth, Reaves. Strome and Vatrano walk. Everything else is less than 1.5m or ELC. If we do that, the band stays together for a ~4 year run at the cup with all the pieces.

 

[haohmaru]

Trouba has been invaluable in these playoffs. The guy has been doing everything the rest of the D isn't built for.

 

[Black Tank]

Trouba has been invaluable in these playoffs. The guy has been doing everything the rest of the D isn't built for.

Absolutely. Trouba has been anchoring that chaotic Rangers D and its working. Miller called him the equivalent to a big brother and Miller is going to be a star in this league for many years so Trouba 's effect on the Rangers will be felt for a while.

 

[jonlin]

Starting to think we go the same contract route for our kids that Tampa took with Kucherov and Point. I’m expecting Miller (4.5m), Laf (4m), Kakko (2.5m) on 3 year deals that take them to UFA and set them up for monster contracts. Copp gets a 5m x 7 year deal. Chytil gets a 3.5m x 4 year deal. Motte gets a 2m x 4 year deal. We cut the fat with Nemeth, Reaves. Strome and Vatrano walk. Everything else is less than 1.5m or ELC. If we do that, the band stays together for a ~4 year run at the cup with all the pieces.

I dont see Kakko getting 2,5M only for 3yrs. More like the 3,5M range on a bridge. Also, signing Copp for 5M longterm could be a huge misstake. He has been really good for you, but he has more than doubled his usual production. You cant give a 7yr contract and expect him to keep up the pace, he never done before, based on a few months?

 

[Psycho for Perreault]

I like Copp, but I like KAM, Laf, Kakko, Chytl etc. more. Not sure how Drury can make this work, but if he figures it out, give him a raise.

 

[Vitto79]

I like Copp, but I like KAM, Laf, Kakko, Chytl etc. more. Not sure how Drury can make this work, but if he figures it out, give him a raise.

It can work for sure next year but Trouba likely the eventual casualty

Need to basically move Georgiev and Nemeth replacing them W leaguer min guys so say Jones and a cheap ufa G. Garand in the AHL as well

Kakko won’t get a ton as an RFA bridge deal

Gonna have to live W Hunt , Gauthier . Brodzinski as the 4th line /spares

Sign Copp and Motte. Vatrano will get too much to fit . Braun too . Rooney only back on the cheap which he may take imo

Cuylee and Othmaan gonna get looks

Kravtsov for a 2nd incoming
Can’t see him returning so they will just recoup picks

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Early 2nd, late 1st would be cool for Kravtsov?

I think it would be way more valuable to have him play for us and grow the value. We all do I suppose.

Just really hard to know what's the deal here. Bridges irreparably burnt? Just HFNYR's opinion?

 

[Dijock94]

Get out from Georgiev and Nemeths contracts. Sign Kakko beyond a bridge. Take the risk and give him 4x5. Sign bets on one year deals to backfill some of the roster. Save the cap space for resigning KAM Laffy Chytil and Lindgren. Keep the young core together as much as possible.

 

[GAGLine]

Get out from Georgiev and Nemeths contracts. Sign Kakko beyond a bridge. Take the risk and give him 4x5. Sign bets on one year deals to backfill some of the roster. Save the cap space for resigning KAM Laffy Chytil and Lindgren. Keep the young core together as much as possible.

Georgiev is gone. There's no issue there. Either we'll trade his rights, or we just won't qualify him and he'll become a UFA. Nemeth will be more difficult to move. Maybe Buffalo would have some interest, but we may end up having to pay to move him, or buy him out. The buyout isn't bad, but it doesn't help us that much this year. After replacing him, we'd only save a net of about 600k.

If we can get Nemeth off the books completely, that gives us another 1.6 mil to work with, roughly. That might be enough to extend Kakko longer, but we might be better off using the money to re-sign Motte. I understand wanting to get Kakko on (what is hopefully) a sweetheart deal, but the cap will go up considerably once the escrow debt is paid off.

 

[Dijock94]

Georgiev is gone. There's no issue there. Either we'll trade his rights, or we just won't qualify him and he'll become a UFA. Nemeth will be more difficult to move. Maybe Buffalo would have some interest, but we may end up having to pay to move him, or buy him out. The buyout isn't bad, but it doesn't help us that much this year. After replacing him, we'd only save a net of about 600k.

If we can get Nemeth off the books completely, that gives us another 1.6 mil to work with, roughly. That might be enough to extend Kakko longer, but we might be better off using the money to re-sign Motte. I understand wanting to get Kakko on (what is hopefully) a sweetheart deal, but the cap will go up considerably once the escrow debt is paid off.

I would absolutely pay to get rid of nemeths contract. We have the core group of young players as long as we can hold onto them. The danger I think with bridging Kakko to retain Motte is if Kakko blows up and we have no cap space for him. We’ve made some risky deals in the past that paid off pretty well in Zibanejad and McDonagh, skjei didn’t work out as well but we were still able to deal him with term for a first because of how young he was. I feel like the long term deal is less risky than the bridge. Teams will always still take a chance on a young guy with potential.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Georgiev is gone. There's no issue there. Either we'll trade his rights, or we just won't qualify him and he'll become a UFA. Nemeth will be more difficult to move. Maybe Buffalo would have some interest, but we may end up having to pay to move him, or buy him out. The buyout isn't bad, but it doesn't help us that much this year. After replacing him, we'd only save a net of about 600k.

If we can get Nemeth off the books completely, that gives us another 1.6 mil to work with, roughly. That might be enough to extend Kakko longer, but we might be better off using the money to re-sign Motte. I understand wanting to get Kakko on (what is hopefully) a sweetheart deal, but the cap will go up considerably once the escrow debt is paid off.

can't happen soon enough. I want to keep Copp, Motte, Miller, Chytil and Kaako.

 

[huerter]

Get out from Georgiev and Nemeths contracts. Sign Kakko beyond a bridge. Take the risk and give him 4x5. Sign bets on one year deals to backfill some of the roster. Save the cap space for resigning KAM Laffy Chytil and Lindgren. Keep the young core together as much as possible.

Giving Kakko 4x5 isn't taking a risk...it's sabotaging yourself.

 

[Dijock94]

Giving Kakko 4x5 isn't taking a risk...it's sabotaging yourself.

I disagree. 4 million isn’t much higher than the league average salary. And what value will he be giving you in years 2,3,4,5 in that contract. Say we bridge to save what 2 million a year and he turns into a force. Well now we’re looking at 3 years from now having to pay another monster contract without the cap space to do it.

Also if he isn’t working out and he’s not becoming what you hoped you trade him. Someone will take him on at his age with his potential. Or even a team that can never sign guys because it’s not a desirable place. So having Kakko with term at a young age would still be a moveable asset.

 

[mas0764]

Early 2nd, late 1st would be cool for Kravtsov?

I think it would be way more valuable to have him play for us and grow the value. We all do I suppose.

Just really hard to know what's the deal here. Bridges irreparably burnt? Just HFNYR's opinion?

No. Don’t trade Kravtsov without getting a young top 6 player in return.

Keep him, bring him back.

 

[GAGLine]

I would absolutely pay to get rid of nemeths contract. We have the core group of young players as long as we can hold onto them. The danger I think with bridging Kakko to retain Motte is if Kakko blows up and we have no cap space for him. We’ve made some risky deals in the past that paid off pretty well in Zibanejad and McDonagh, skjei didn’t work out as well but we were still able to deal him with term for a first because of how young he was. I feel like the long term deal is less risky than the bridge. Teams will always still take a chance on a young guy with potential.

IIRC, the escrow should be paid off in 2 more years. Kakko should get a 2 year deal, so that lines up well.

Of course, there are other ways the Rangers could go this offseason. If we don't re-sign Strome or Copp, and promote Chytil to 2C, that gives us plenty of cap to further extend Kakko. I don't think we'll go that route, but it has to at least be a consideration at this point. If we don't spend 5+ mil on Copp, and we can dump Nemeth, we can probably keep Motte and Vatrano and still give Kakko a longer term deal.

Getting rid of Nemeth will be key, though. I'm not sure what it will cost. His cap hit is only 2.5 mil, but it's for 2 more years, and he's still owed 6 mil in real money. That's not ideal for a cap floor team. I don't know why Drury backloaded it and didn't include signing bonuses. It makes the buyout better, but it makes it that much harder to trade him. I'm also scratching my head at why he needed to give him 3 years and an 8 team NTC. Was there really that much competition to sign him?

It cost us a 2nd round pick to dump 1 year of Marc Staal @ a 5.7 mil cap hit. It might cost similar to dump 2 years of Nemeth, and we may only have 1 2nd round pick this year. If we have to use that pick to move him, it's going to be a boring draft for the Rangers.

 

[Avery16]

With the extra coverage on Pararin these playoffs, the dip in his production is understandable.

Copp has done well despite the pressure on his linemate, but Strome’s production bottomed out.