Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[Ola]

There are some good centers available. Trocheck and Copp are very similar looking at the stat line last season. Trocheck is a bit underrated -- and just for curiosa, we know that Gallant loved him in Florida -- and has a better track record. But I would prefer Copp. Strome is another one. Kadri. Between Kadri, Strome, Trocheck and Copp -- my order would definitely be Copp then Trocheck then Kadri and last Strome. You got to expect that NHL GMs would chose them in the same order too. But someone might be enticed by Kadri's inflated stats and attention in Toronto.

For comparision, we can add Phil Danault and Paul Statsny to the discussion. Danault signed for 7 years at 5.5m per. I think many GMs would want to reevaluate their decision on what to offer Danault last summer. Danault and Arvidsson were by far LAKs best forwards last season and carried that team into the POs. Paul Statsny has signed for 7m per and 6m per year on a 4 and 3 year contract. That is a pure alibi center signing, Statsny is never going to be a difference maker. But teams needs centers.

What are Copp, Trochek and Strome signing for this summer? It is hard to tell. I could see anything from 7m to 5m on 5-7 year deals.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Jones-Schneider and a veteran D to replace Nemeth for under 1 mil is the way to go. Maybe Braun wants to finish his career on a 2 year 900k AAV deal?

If memory serves, I believe they were pretty good together. I'd need to see some stats. If I'm mistaken let me know.

 

[rangersfansince08]

if laf can be pppg in his prime and chytil and kaako became 60 pt players we are in very good shape.

 

[Blue Blooded]

If memory serves, I believe they were pretty good together. I'd need to see some stats. If I'm mistaken let me know.

They were probably on balance our least worst 3rd pairing on the stat sheet, though the sample was small and Nemeth-Lundkvist posted great numbers after a horrid start before Nils got sent down.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

They were probably on balance our least worst 3rd pairing on the stat sheet, though the sample was small and Nemeth-Lundkvist posted great numbers after a horrid start before Nils got sent down.
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Considering how young they are, that's not too bad. I'd like to see them together more frequently next season to see how they do together over a larger sample size.

 

[McRanger92]

If we are buying the Chytil breakout (no reason not to) it gives me some pause in regards to a long term deal for Copp. I love him as a player and a fit for this team, but with Chytil, Laf, Miller all needing new contracts next year, it gets very tight.

Trading Trouba has been discussed but its not really an option if he doesn't want to leave. Finding a team that he would be open to going to that can afford an 8 mil cap hit is basically impossible. I am also of the opinion that Schneider isnt ready to take those big minutes yet.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

RFA COMPETITION

Players successfully offered sheeted in 2022

According to CapFreindly:
Competition picks would start with the 2023 NHL draft.



$1 - $1,386,490
no compensation

$1,386,491 - $2,100,742
(1) third round pick

$2,100,743 - $4,201,488
(1) second round pick

$4,201,489 - $6,302,230
(1) first round pick
(1) third round pick

$6,302,231 - $8,402,975
(1) first round pick
(1) second round pick
(1) third round pick

$8,402,976 - $10,503,720
(2) first round picks
(1) second round pick
(1) third round pick

$10,503,721 - ∞
(4) first round picks

 

[duhmetreE]

In a theoretical universe where NMCs do not exist.

If Buch = Blais + 2nd

Panarin = Toropchenko + 1st


@EdJovanovski commits sudoku

Cap problems somewhat alleviated

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Bill Zito in desperation mode?


Ryan (Conn Smythe trophy winner) Lindgren for
Anton ( future Selkea trophy winner) Lundell?

 

[McRanger92]

Bill Zito in desperation mode?


Ryan (Conn Smythe trophy winner) Lindgren for
Anton ( future Selkea trophy winner) Lundell?

Thats a team that could use a defenseman who can actually defend like Trouba, and one that he might be amenable to, but they wont have the cap space. I guess they could move Bobrovsky elsewhere, but again, lots of variables

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Thats a team that could use a defenseman who can actually defend like Trouba, and one that he might be amenable to, but they wont have the cap space. I guess they could move Bobrovsky elsewhere, but again, lots of variables

You’re right about that. I believe they only have 4 million in cap space going into next season.

 

[mas0764]

If the Rangers are trading Lundkvist it will be for a center. Would this be fair for both teams? Not sure what the Stars needs but I think they can use depth on defense right now.


Rangers get C Ty Dellandrea
Stars get D Nils Lundkvist and 2ed (2023)



Rangers get a physical 2 way center. I am not sure how he is on faceoffs since I could not find faceoffs% on the AHL stats
Stars get depth on defense and someone who can move the puck out of the zone.

basically a swap of prospects from the 2018 draft and Stars get a 2ed to sweeten the deal.

No, I'd want Wyatt Johnston. I'd perhaps add a little if necessary.

They were probably on balance our least worst 3rd pairing on the stat sheet, though the sample was small and Nemeth-Lundkvist posted great numbers after a horrid start before Nils got sent down.
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Lundkvist wasn't nearly as bad as people made him out to be.

 

[mas0764]

If we are buying the Chytil breakout (no reason not to) it gives me some pause in regards to a long term deal for Copp. I love him as a player and a fit for this team, but with Chytil, Laf, Miller all needing new contracts next year, it gets very tight.

Trading Trouba has been discussed but its not really an option if he doesn't want to leave. Finding a team that he would be open to going to that can afford an 8 mil cap hit is basically impossible. I am also of the opinion that Schneider isnt ready to take those big minutes yet.

I think Schneider "isn't ready" in the sense that, by next season, he will not be as good as Trouba is today.

That being said, I think Schneider takes a big leap nonetheless and will be able to handle second pair minutes respectably. It's a downgrade but the question is how much of one? And is accepting that downgrade worth the trade off of locking up your young stars to discount long term deals, which gives you way, way more flexibility down the line?

Of course it all would hinge on getting him to waive and while I don't think he's itching to leave, I don't think it's quite as impossible as has been suggested either.

 

[Fitzy]

Lundkvist wasn't nearly as bad as people made him out to be.

We didn't use him in the correct role on the power play that gained him some fame in Sweden.

He should have been the trigger man for the second unit, not the quarterback

 

[mas0764]

If we are buying the Chytil breakout (no reason not to) it gives me some pause in regards to a long term deal for Copp. I love him as a player and a fit for this team, but with Chytil, Laf, Miller all needing new contracts next year, it gets very tight.

Trading Trouba has been discussed but its not really an option if he doesn't want to leave. Finding a team that he would be open to going to that can afford an 8 mil cap hit is basically impossible. I am also of the opinion that Schneider isnt ready to take those big minutes yet.

I think Schneider "isn't ready" in the sense that, by next season, he will not be as good as Trouba is today.

That being said, I think Schneider takes a big leap nonetheless and will be able to handle second pair minutes respectably. It's a downgrade but the question is how much of one? And is accepting that downgrade worth the trade off of locking up your young stars to discount long term deals, which gives you way, way more flexibility down the line?

Of course it all would hinge on getting him to waive and while I don't think he's itching to leave, I don't think it's quite as impossible as has been suggested either.

RFA COMPETITION

Players successfully offered sheeted in 2022

According to CapFreindly:
Competition picks would start with the 2023 NHL draft.



$1 - $1,386,490
no compensation

$1,386,491 - $2,100,742
(1) third round pick

$2,100,743 - $4,201,488
(1) second round pick

$4,201,489 - $6,302,230
(1) first round pick
(1) third round pick

$6,302,231 - $8,402,975
(1) first round pick
(1) second round pick
(1) third round pick

$8,402,976 - $10,503,720
(2) first round picks
(1) second round pick
(1) third round pick

$10,503,721 - ∞
(4) first round picks

I think we are hard pressed to give Kakko $4,201,487.

And I think, if I set aside the possibility of retribution, that if I'm another team, I'd offer that to Kakko all day long and take a chance. I have to give the Rangers a second? BFD.

It's not until you get to $4,201,489 that it becomes a first and third where teams MIGHT start to become a little more leery about a guy with low-ish production. But if you are, like, Calgary, Colorado or Dallas, why wouldn't you do that? You are giving up the 25th pick or some such, and the third rounder is nothing. You can get him for that price in picks all the way up to $6.3m, which the Rangers couldn't possibly come close to doing.

Beware, Rangers. Be very ware.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't think Dellandrea or especially Johnson are realistic returns for Nils.

I'm not even sure that Bourque is one.

If for what ever reason Dallas wants to do Dellandrea or Bourque for Nils, you take that and run.

 

[mas0764]

I don't think Dellandrea or especially Johnson are realistic returns for Nils.

I'm not even sure that Bourque is one.

If for what ever reason Dallas wants to do Dellandrea or Bourque for Nils, you take that and run.

When reading this, people should keep in mind that you are about 40% lower on Nils than you should be.

Dellandrea is likely a bottom 6 piece. That's a no.

Need someone with top 6 upside.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

When reading this, people should keep in mind that you are about 40% lower on Nils than you should be.

Dellandrea played and contributed for Dallas this year. Wyatt Johnston has blown the f*** up this year.

On what planet are they on equal footing to an undersized D who really struggled in NA this season (at BOTH the NHL and AHL level?)

I wouldn't scoff at adding a quality young bottom 6 mainstay either. Those guys tend to be really valueable and then you don't get them with out overpaying for them in free agency (see: Goodrow.)

 

[bleedblue94]

I love what Vatrano brings but we have so many wingers here already and so many on the way.

Copp is a must. #1 priority. Motte is #2.

Do not dismiss vatrano's motor. A player w that motor in your top 9 is extremely valuable. Obviously the dollars need to make sense.

 

[mas0764]

Dellandrea played and contributed for Dallas this year. Wyatt Johnston has blown the f*** up this year.

On what planet are they on equal footing to an undersized D who really struggled in NA this season (at BOTH the NHL and AHL level?)

I wouldn't scoff at adding a quality young bottom 6 mainstay either. Those guys tend to be really valueable and then you don't get them with out overpaying for them in free agency (see: Goodrow.)

If you think all Nils is worth is a Goodrow then that's the disconnect, and again, you are undervaluing him. Goodrow was acquired for a fricking 6th round pick.

Nils probably isn't quite worth Johnston which is why I said I'd add a bit.

But he's worth way more than Dellandrea.

 

[McRanger92]

Do not dismiss vatrano's motor. A player w that motor in your top 9 is extremely valuable. Obviously the dollars need to make sense.

As i mentioned above, Chytil's emergence may stay Drury's hand on a long term deal for Copp. If your top 6 has Panarin/Mika/Kreider/Laf/Chytil/Kakko, they may shift focus and retain Vatrano & Motte to lengthen the bottom 6. I do think Copp is the perfect center for Panarin though, not an easy decision.

Let's make it simple and win the Cup this year so we don't fret too much about the tough decisions coming

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If you think all Nils is worth is a Goodrow then that's the disconnect, and again, you are undervaluing him. Goodrow was acquired for a fricking 6th round pick.

Nils probably isn't quite worth Johnston which is why I said I'd add a bit.

But he's worth way more than Dellandrea.

Goodrow was acquired for a 1st by Tampa too. But thats not what I'm saying.

Acquiring a piece like that who you control for 6+ years is the point I'm making. You don't have to spend an ass load of money and commit to double the years that you probably should be committing to for what are likely going to be the worst years of said player's career.

 

[bleedblue94]

As i mentioned above, Chytil's emergence may stay Drury's hand on a long term deal for Copp. If your top 6 has Panarin/Mika/Kreider/Laf/Chytil/Kakko, they may shift focus and retain Vatrano & Motte to lengthen the bottom 6. I do think Copp is the perfect center for Panarin though, not an easy decision.

Let's make it simple and win the Cup this year so we don't fret too much about the tough decisions coming

I'm not willing to bet on chytil continuing this into next year without the right backup. Players go on streaks like this. If chytil continues it than great, but I'm not betting the house on it and then looking for a center halfway through next season.

 

[duhmetreE]

Do not dismiss vatrano's motor. A player w that motor in your top 9 is extremely valuable. Obviously the dollars need to make sense.

I just can't see that investment with our current makeup of wingers and the group that's on the way.

I have no problem signing him but it'd have to be friendly and 'moveable' terms. The problem becomes, once the kids bump up into the top6, what's his role?

 

[McRanger92]

I'm not willing to bet on chytil continuing this into next year without the right backup. Players go on streaks like this. If chytil continues it than great, but I'm not betting the house on it and then looking for a center halfway through next season.

Fair. The best thing for this group, no matter the outcome of this run, is to keep as much of them together next year as possible. If that causes us to lose an important player in the summer of 2023, so be it. Thats the cost of doing business.