Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

I wonder if a guy like Strome would consider taking a 2 year deal, wait for the cap to increase, and take another kick at UFA at that point. He knows if he stays in NY that he will be playing with Panarin. Next year will be difficult Domi back from the injury as well.

The guys at forward I’d be looking at are Copp, Motte/Raffl, Larsson

On defense I’m looking at Braun and Vlasic if he is bought out.

Panarin-Copp-Lafreniere
Kreider-Zibanejad-Kaako
Goodrow-Chytil-Kravtsov
Motte-Larsson-Blais
Reaves

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Lindgren-Schneider
Braun/Vlasic

I don't think it's possible for me to hate this look any more than I do

I stopped reading at Raffl

 

[MrPodz]

I think we need to chill out with the panarin trade talk. Guy played with a corpse of ryan strome for half a season and his best linemate was kakko until he got injured. Apart from that, he had freaking hunt on his line. I saw a reference to gaudreau, he had better linemates this year. That calgary team was deep. Any return we'd get would be maybe a 60 pt center, which is sacrificing 50 points because I think panarin could get more than 110 with actual star players on his right.

 

[Raspewtin]

Just play Goodrow and Hunt on the bottom line and maybe sign Raffl or Ryan for the last spot. better to get a top 9 player to force better players down rather than play them somewhere they won't fit

 

[Savant]

Hypothetical: if the Rangers can sign Motte and Vatrano for the same term and total cap hit as Kopp alone, which deal would you prefer? I'd go with the former.

I’m still signing none of the three

 

[huerter]

Just play Goodrow and Hunt on the bottom pair and maybe sign Raffl or Ryan for the last spot. better to get a top 9 player to force better players down rather than play them somewhere they won't fit

Hunt makes no sense on the Ratelle line.

 

[Anthony5967]

I will say this, you watch Colorado and Tampa, you need high motor players on every line. Can’t ever stop forechecking and moving your feet. The Compher’s, Lehkonen’s, etc. Copp is our souped up Compher but I’m starting to walk back my idea of bringing him back if it costs $5.5M for 5-6 years. This team has kids to bring back now and in a couple years. You can’t get crazy here. Although, part of me then realizes Copp is capable of playing 20 mins a game and in every situation while also providing solid 55-60 point offense. Ugh. Drury has decisions to make. One thing I do know, no shot I’m paying any fourth liners $2.5M. Motte is a horse, but those are guys Sakic, BriesBois, all find for cheap. You can’t pay these guys top money or you end up the Isles.

 

[Anthony5967]

I’m going to be honest, a 2x$7M type of deal for Malkin isn’t the worst idea. Him as your 1B to Zibanejad is an amazing luxury. And it also doesn’t put you on the hook for 5-6 years with a Strome or Copp, allowing you financial flexibility a couple years down the road.

 

[Fitzy]

I’m going to be honest, a 2x$7M type of deal for Malkin isn’t the worst idea. Him as your 1B to Zibanejad is an amazing luxury. And it also doesn’t put you on the hook for 5-6 years with a Strome or Copp, allowing you financial flexibility a couple years down the road.

Malkin isn't going to give full effort for any team he signs with that isn't the Penguins.

 

[haohmaru]

I’m going to be honest, a 2x$7M type of deal for Malkin isn’t the worst idea. Him as your 1B to Zibanejad is an amazing luxury. And it also doesn’t put you on the hook for 5-6 years with a Strome or Copp, allowing you financial flexibility a couple years down the road.

This doesn't work with the Rangers cap at all. Particularly the season after next. It is a worst idea.

 

[Hire Sather]

I’m going to be honest, a 2x$7M type of deal for Malkin isn’t the worst idea. Him as your 1B to Zibanejad is an amazing luxury. And it also doesn’t put you on the hook for 5-6 years with a Strome or Copp, allowing you financial flexibility a couple years down the road.

Too injury prone

 

[haohmaru]

Thinking ahead to 2023-24, the best hope for the Rangers is that Chytil evolves to playing the way he did in the playoffs in the regular season moving forward. Forget Copp. Forget Strome. Put a package of futures together that have little future here (ie... Lundkvist etc...) for a young center. I liked what Vatrano brought to the them - particularly his shoot first mentality - see what it'll take for him to stay. I liked Motte, too, but I think he's going elsewhere for more money than people think he's going to get (think 2M+). Cheap backup. Kravtsov. Maybe Othmann sticks. Buyout/trade/bury Nemeth. Braun as a cheap 7th. Jones to start the season. Kakko bridge. Thank Reaves and send him elsewhere.

I like Copp, l just don't see how it works in 2023-24.

 

[Anthony5967]

This doesn't work with the Rangers cap at all. Particularly the season after next. It is a worst idea.

How? People are asking about Motte, Copp, Trocheck, multiple, and Malkin at $7M is the worst idea for next year cap-wise? No it isn’t. You don’t bring back Strome, Copp or Motte and you sign Malkin. It’s a stop gap two year option until the Rangers can sort through some of the personnel on the roster they want to keep long-term versus short-term.

 

[LORDE]

I think we need to chill out with the panarin trade talk. Guy played with a corpse of ryan strome for half a season and his best linemate was kakko until he got injured. Apart from that, he had freaking hunt on his line. I saw a reference to gaudreau, he had better linemates this year. That calgary team was deep. Any return we'd get would be maybe a 60 pt center, which is sacrificing 50 points because I think panarin could get more than 110 with actual star players on his right.

Strome, while easily being my least fav player on this team ATM and certainly NOT part of the solution, is also NOT the reason Bread was arguably a detriment to this team night in and night out during the playoffs.

Panarin was the A1 reason we went 7 games x2 and ultimately fizzled against Tampa.

In game 4 he played w Zbad and BOTH were abysmal.

Bread is the problem w Bread...

Strome couldn't help and neither could Zbad (Crosby/McDavid wouldn't be able to either)

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

How? People are asking about Motte, Copp, Trocheck, multiple, and Malkin at $7M is the worst idea for next year cap-wise? No it isn’t. You don’t bring back Strome, Copp or Motte and you sign Malkin. It’s a stop gap two year option until the Rangers can sort through some of the personnel on the roster they want to keep long-term versus short-term.

Everybody hates that bitch, good idea or not

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Back to the 4th liner debate; VALUE is the name of the game. It's either for vets who have a particular set of skills like faceoffs, PKing, cycling, hitting, and formerly fighting, OR for young players on ELCs learning the rhythm of the league who will eventually work into the top 6.

The days of scrubs on the 4th line are long gone, unless you're a rebuilding or badly managed team. You either offer something beyond being a warm body, or your ROI is low. For a player like Cullye to make the team as soon as next season, he's going to need to do two things in addition to keeping up with the pace; PK and hit.

 

[RGY]

I do not see Malkin taking only $7 million aav. Wasn’t it reported he was offered around $8x3 by the Pens and he didnt like the deal?

Anyways I really despise Malkin and it would be a tough call for me. This in addition to navigating the cap and he has struggled to stay healthy as of late. I just dont see Drury going this route. It also prevents you from spreading the money around to have more capable players throughout the lineup. That $7 million could be Coppe/Motte. Or say Motte/Vatrano/Ty Johnson. Something like that. Only tempting thing is that when Malkin is healthy he is still a force at center and would be a true 1B to Zibanejad.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Malkin isn't going to give full effort for any team he signs with that isn't the Penguins.

It's not the worst idea and in theory they wouldn't need him for an entire season as his track record suggests; just make sure he's close to 100% for the stretch run and playoffs of course.

He might be energized playing with countryman Panarin and Shesterkin and trying to win a Cup without Crosby.

We've seen it plenty of times, stars on other teams end their career as support players or in other roles and win a Cup somewhere: Trottier as a 4C with Pittsburgh in the early 90s, Larmer as a second liner on the 94 Rangers, Sandstrom as a middle six winger with the Wings in the late 90s, Richards as a middle six center on Chicago in 2015 etc.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Thinking ahead to 2023-24, the best hope for the Rangers is that Chytil evolves to playing the way he did in the playoffs in the regular season moving forward. Forget Copp. Forget Strome. Put a package of futures together that have little future here (ie... Lundkvist etc...) for a young center. I liked what Vatrano brought to the them - particularly his shoot first mentality - see what it'll take for him to stay. I liked Motte, too, but I think he's going elsewhere for more money than people think he's going to get (think 2M+). Cheap backup. Kravtsov. Maybe Othmann sticks. Buyout/trade/bury Nemeth. Braun as a cheap 7th. Jones to start the season. Kakko bridge. Thank Reaves and send him elsewhere.

I like Copp, l just don't see how it works in 2023-24.

Close to what I’ve been forecasting. I’m not sure where we fit Vatrano though unless you break up kid line which then means that the open spot on the 3rd goes away. It’s a good problem to have I guess. What young Cs could we target? I’ve been thinking Kupari would look nice in 3C.

 

[Ned Braden]

Strome, while easily being my least fav player on this team ATM and certainly NOT part of the solution, is also NOT the reason Bread was arguably a detriment to this team night in and night out during the playoffs.

Panarin was the A1 reason we went 7 games x2 and ultimately fizzled against Tampa.

In game 4 he played w Zbad and BOTH were abysmal.

Bread is the problem w Bread...

Strome couldn't help and neither could Zbad (Crosby/McDavid wouldn't be able to either)

Bread is really tough to evaluate. He's an incredible, all world player on the power play or whenever else he has time and space.

However, he's small and he's painfully slow. Like Reaves slow. Because of this, in the playoffs he was actually a detriment 5v5. This allowed other teams to throw everything match-up wise at the zib line (particularly on the road), which caused the Carolina series to go seven, and ultimately wore down the entire team against Tampa.

Couple this with bread being the second highest paid player in the league (he takes up the space of basically two kreiders or two copps or whatever other combination of 12 milliondollar players suits your fancy), and a pretty good argument could be made that bread is the reason the rangers struggle 5v5.

Obviously, a team can win in the regular season with this great pp, mediocre (at best) 5v5 formula. The question is can a team win a cup with a player like bread taking up the cap space he does?

 

[GAGLine]

How? People are asking about Motte, Copp, Trocheck, multiple, and Malkin at $7M is the worst idea for next year cap-wise? No it isn’t. You don’t bring back Strome, Copp or Motte and you sign Malkin. It’s a stop gap two year option until the Rangers can sort through some of the personnel on the roster they want to keep long-term versus short-term.

I don't know what Trochek will get, but neither Copp nor Motte will get 7 mil. They might get 7 mil combined, but that's 2 players instead of 1, and even then it's really tight cap-wise.

You might want to take a look on CapFriendly to see what our cap situation looks like for the next couple years. We've got a lot of young players needing new contracts.

On top of that, Malkin is always injured. And even when healthy, he doesn't take over games the way he used to. He had 6 points against us in the playoffs, but did you really notice him? He wasn't a difference maker.

 

[haohmaru]

How? People are asking about Motte, Copp, Trocheck, multiple, and Malkin at $7M is the worst idea for next year cap-wise? No it isn’t. You don’t bring back Strome, Copp or Motte and you sign Malkin. It’s a stop gap two year option until the Rangers can sort through some of the personnel on the roster they want to keep long-term versus short-term.

You said 7M x 2. Please explain year 2 with math.

(Edit) And, for the record, I also have said that Copp at 5M+ or whatever also doesn't work in year 2.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I don't know what Trochek will get, but neither Copp nor Motte will get 7 mil. They might get 7 mil combined, but that's 2 players instead of 1, and even then it's really tight cap-wise.

You might want to take a look on CapFriendly to see what our cap situation looks like for the next couple years. We've got a lot of young players needing new contracts.

On top of that, Malkin is always injured. And even when healthy, he doesn't take over games the way he used to. He had 6 points against us in the playoffs, but did you really notice him? He wasn't a difference maker.

I can see Copp looking for $6 and like $6.25 due to NY living expenses and taxes. Motte is going to ask for between $2-2.5 if I'm his agent.

 

[haohmaru]

I can see Copp looking for $6 and like $6.25 due to NY living expenses and taxes. Motte is going to ask for between $2-2.5 if I'm his agent.

Copp won't be here at 6+. I don't think he'll end up here anyway because of the flat cap - which is too bad, really. He's a good fit.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Copp won't be here at 6+. I don't think he'll end up here anyway because of the flat cap - which is too bad, really. He's a good fit.

Yeah I think he ends up home with the Red Wings, with Seattle, Pittsburgh, and Anaheim being other possibilities.

Pittsburgh I have a feeling is going to use the Malkin money for two or three middle six pieces.

 

[Fitzy]

Malkin is one of my least favorite players in history, and the thought of him in NYR uniform makes me nauseous.

And that's before we talk about the real practical implications of committing big cap space to a star center, and what trying to fit him into our PP would even look like.

Just seems like one of those 2007 era Sather moves.