Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[huerter]

Overpay by 25% now.
Cap goes up maybe 5% in two years.
Steal.

 

[Savant]

So with the Rangers ability to spend money in general, they should be able to create an environment where they should be the ones trading depth forwards for mid-round picks. Not the other way around.

Also, and I keep saying this, but any contract signed now will look much better when the cap jumps 2 years from now. A $2m contract is reasonable now but will look like a steal then.

Not for five years is that going to look like a steal. The Rangers are in win now. They can trade their kid rounds for rental fourth liners. All day.

The Rangers need as much cap as possible. They can’t piss it away on long term deals for fourth liners like they did with Goodrow.

They are going to need that cap for RFA raises and to godforbid fix the center issue. It all matters. If you lose a guy worth 7 million because you can only pay him 5 million because you gave a fourth liner a five year deal, that’s horrible. You can get another Motte at the deadline again

 

[n8]

I think, like Braun, he’d be a good bottom-pairing option on a short term deal. He doesn’t skate that well anymore but the reason he gets so much hate is his contract.

we got any fancy advanced stats charts? I don't know how people generate those

 

[QJL]

The very highest paid doctors don't even make ELC type money, and it's a very tough job. Hard to find a more lucrative job than being an 8 million per year traffic cone

We have a doctor in family. 1 million a year at 40. Work until 70, you’re likely to pull close to at least half what Trouba does in your career.

 

[EdJovanovski]

We have a doctor in family. 1 million a year at 40. Work until 70, you’re likely to pull close to at least half what Trouba does in your career.

What kind of doctor are they? That is extraordinarily high pay for a doctor, average doctor salary in the US is about 220K, average doctor also paid 800K for schooling.

Trouba's wife has a Neuroscience degree, the median income for a neurologist is 268K, top percentile is 358K. Even if she were to become a neurosurgeon the median income is 638K and top percentile is 962K. And I doubt very many women married to NHL players work until 70 when their husband retires before 40 lol

 

[RangerBoy]

Elliotte Friedman discussed Georgiev on The NHL Network. He wonders if the Rangers can make a trade or will teams wait to see if Georgiev will be available for free. He discussed teams being afraid of Georgiev's arbitration number and he apparently has a good case. He discussed teams around The NHL are leery of extending a QO to their players. He discussed the cap is very tight. There isn't much money available and some players are in for a rude awakening.

Maybe the Rangers and Liut can make a deal with a team which involves a signed contract for Georgiev.

 

[QJL]

What kind of doctor are they? That is extraordinarily high pay for a doctor, average doctor salary in the US is about 220K, average doctor also paid 800K for schooling.

Trouba's wife has a Neuroscience degree, the median income for a neurologist is 268K, top percentile is 358K. Even if she were to become a neurosurgeon the median income is 638K and top percentile is 962K. And I doubt very many women married to NHL players work until 70 when their husband retires before 40 lol

Lead doctor on a small gastroenterology practice in New York. NYC doctors make more than the national average, like 2-3x.

Regardless, her career is a factor in the Trouba family’s desire to stay. Those laughing it off shouldn’t.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Also to those who say we need to fill in our fourth line. I mean why cant we just give Greco and Johnny B who i think played very well when they were up, adding exactly what was needed on the bottom lines.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Lead doctor on a small gastroenterology practice in New York. NYC doctors make more than the national average, like 2-3x.

Regardless, her career is a factor in the Trouba family’s desire to stay. Those laughing it off shouldn’t.

That sounds crazy, but good for them! I see why they are paid that well though as you do have some incredible doctors there. I was posting a couple years ago about this strange health issue I have, pulsatile tinnitus. It's a whooshing sound in your ears (usually caused by neurovascular abnormalities, can be very life threatening and is very often misdiagnosed as regular tinnitus caused by hearing damage or anxiety). I had a hell of a time navigating the Canadian health care system with this issue, waiting several months to even see a neurologist, who then refused to order an MRI. I managed to get in contact with one of the top Neuroradiologists/Neurointerventional surgeons in the world who was based out of NYC. (Like so world renowned that he is the person who literally invented the surgery for this) I wrote him an email and received a call from his office within minutes, at around 6PM pacific time, and by 6AM the following morning I had an appointment with him. He wrote a letter to that doctor urging him to do the MRI, and he also did 2 follow up appointments with me and looked over the scans and everything. And he did not charge me a penny.

 

[RangerBoy]

Some of these teams are looking to unload high-priced players. Where? Winnipeg and Wheeler have discussed his future. It sounds like he wouldn't mind a change of scenery. His cap hit is $8.25M for another two seasons. Which team is taking that contract? They could send money back to Winnipeg but $8.25M is a big number. His best days are behind him. Elliotte Friedman said Winnipeg and Scheifele have made up. He is staying there.

Vancouver with Brock Boeser. The player is two seasons away from group III. His QO is $7.5M. I heard one of the Canucks podcasts and Vancouver wants to sign Boeser at a lower number for 3-4 years. He says no. That guy has been available for the last six months. Another team will inherit that problem. Boeser is not worth $7.5M and he could file for salary arbitration.

 

[nsvoyageurs]

Some of these teams are looking to unload high-priced players. Where? Winnipeg and Wheeler have discussed his future. It sounds like he wouldn't mind a change of scenery. His cap hit is $8.25M for another two seasons. Which team is taking that contract? They could send money back to Winnipeg but $8.25M is a big number. His best days are behind him. Elliotte Friedman said Winnipeg and Scheifele have made up. He is staying there.

Vancouver with Brock Boeser. The player is two seasons away from group III. His QO is $7.5M. I heard one of the Canucks podcasts and Vancouver wants to sign Boeser at a lower number for 3-4 years. He says no. That guy has been available for the last six months. Another team will inherit that problem. Boeser is not worth $7.5M and he could file for salary arbitration.

With Barry Trotz declining the Jets coaching job, the Jets are an interesting team to follow this offseason. Do they try to make another run at the playoffs or do they go into a rebuild? Pierre Luc Dubois has already said he wants to test UFA in 2 years.

I don't see the Jets much, does Wheeler have much left? That cap number is a killer for the next 2 years before the cap (hopefully) explodes.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

That sounds crazy, but good for them! I see why they are paid that well though as you do have some incredible doctors there. I was posting a couple years ago about this strange health issue I have, pulsatile tinnitus. It's a whooshing sound in your ears (usually caused by neurovascular abnormalities, can be very life threatening and is very often misdiagnosed as regular tinnitus caused by hearing damage or anxiety). I had a hell of a time navigating the Canadian health care system with this issue, waiting several months to even see a neurologist, who then refused to order an MRI. I managed to get in contact with one of the top Neuroradiologists/Neurointerventional surgeons in the world who was based out of NYC. (Like so world renowned that he is the person who literally invented the surgery for this) I wrote him an email and received a call from his office within minutes, at around 6PM pacific time, and by 6AM the following morning I had an appointment with him. He wrote a letter to that doctor urging him to do the MRI, and he also did 2 follow up appointments with me and looked over the scans and everything. And he did not charge me a penny.

Did the whooshing sound like a whispered but audible vi-ta-ly, vi-ta-ly?

Glad you’re better

 

[2014nyr]

Been beating this drum but I would say a majority, if not vast majority, of posters can’t get over POINTS. I get that he paced for 100 points in the regular season, but that’s a great reason to move on, in my opinion. Teams that don’t watch Panarin intently night in and out will see the opportunity to add a 90+ point winger to their roster. It’s a good opportunity for us to shed cap, add a solid younger top six guy with upside and a couple of quality prospects, gain massive flexibility for the future and get out of the Panarin contract before it becomes ugly.

The regular season production this year was a fugazi. This is a retread of my previous posts but his first year pacing for 100 points here, he was 1st in the league in even strength production and had the best 5v5 goal differential in the league. Anyone watching could tell he was a tenacious puck hound who didn’t hesitate to drive the net or shoot just as often as make a dazzling pass. This year, while pacing for 100 points, he was 18th in even strength production - his first finish outside of the top 10 ever, but also a continued drop from last season, when he was 10th for the first time ever - and 56th in the NHL in 5v5 goal differential which is a huge drop in impact from his first season. He also picked up 38% of his points on the PP.

That is not the trajectory of someone I want 11.6M committed to on a team that will need to retain its young core and keep this window open. People will say it’s one year, but even last year, before the Wilson incident, his 5v5 goal differential had dropped to 51st from 1st and it was his lowest ever finish in 5v5 production until this year. He’s trending in the wrong direction and, as you said, at 31 he isn’t going to suddenly start attacking the center of the ice again when he’s as secure as can be with his contract.

The way I see it is this - let’s pretend we just came off the season we had but Panarin didn’t exist and we had an extra 12M in cap space (I know we wouldn’t have had the exact same season and Panarin’s money wouldn’t just be sitting there, bare with me). Would you guys want to go out and sign Gaudreau for 11M? I wouldn’t. I’d much rather add a 7M guy who will put up 20 less points and keep that cap space for other upgrades. Same concept with bread. I’d rather trade him for a 6M guy and prospects, or some such, and make other upgrades to this team. Flip Panarin, go out and sign PLD as a UFA next year. Whatever. LW is Kreider, Lafreniere, Otthman… Bread isn’t going to play the game we need to win a Cup and we won’t ever afford a real 2C while giving him 12M.

i'm with you on the idea of hes not a guy you should allocate that much cap to. hes an awesome player and i dont think he absolutely must be traded, i'm just not against it and think we could benefit. i dont expect it to happen either and think this is a massive overreaction to what got out. but ultimately, with the cap at 82 mm a guy making 11.6 has to be a guy that can flat out take over games, reg season or playoffs. your mcdavids, matthews, mackinnon - guys there are only a handful of in the league. hell mackinnon has another year at 5.5, and i wouldnt be surprised at all for him to take something under 10 on his next contract just to ensure his team can put as much support around him as possible while still getting paid very well. like you said too, hes been trending the wrong direction. lost diversity in how he creates and doesnt get to the middle to shoot. if he can get back to the player he was yer 1 here that was prob worth 9+mm the contract isnt too bad. if it goes the other way, oh boy.

plus the idea of trading him is damn near impossible. i doubt theres anywhere he might accept a move to with the cap space for him. and if there was a deal possible i dont know what the return could be. like from what helps us perspective moving to wpg for dubois - i have no interest in scheifele hes a prick - gets us a solid c to slot behind mika with size and physicality. but he aint going to wpg. sign and trade with nsh for forsberg? he aint going to nash and they aint taking that contract. basically wed need a c and one with a big contract to work for both sides that a team is willing to part with in a city panarin would be willing to go to. im fairly sure that search brings back 0 results. wouldnt hate the thought of him for kane straight up - kane contract in last year so regain flexibility next summer. but he aint going to chi to compete for a lottery pick and without kane and chicago going rebuild mode although i dont think that front office is beyond being talked into anything.

 

[Ola]

Just spit-balling here. Montreal Canadians trade LW/C Jonathan Drouin along with 26OA pick in the 2022 draft to the NY Rangers for future consideration or if Kent Hughes wants he can have either
Julien Gauthier or Libor Hajek instead of FC.
Drouin has a M-NTC and a year left at 5.5 million.
Montreal needs the cap space and we can play Jonathan at Center.
Feedback?

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Interesting idea!

First of all, taking on money for 1 more year vs long term is a big difference for us. Drouin checks that box.

Second, it’s a gamble of course. At the same time, there is a ton of upside in it for Drouin. He gets out of MTL and would get to play with Panarin, and so forth.

With that said, look, we aren’t winning next year if we just can keep Strome, and it kills us down the road. We need high risk high reward moves that pays off. If those moves comes with a 1 year commitment, it checks many boxes from my POV.

Same goes for Max Domi from my POV. Would he take a shorter deal with us? His last year wasn’t the best.

 

[NYR Viper]

Not for five years is that going to look like a steal. The Rangers are in win now. They can trade their kid rounds for rental fourth liners. All day.

The Rangers need as much cap as possible. They can’t piss it away on long term deals for fourth liners like they did with Goodrow.

They are going to need that cap for RFA raises and to godforbid fix the center issue. It all matters. If you lose a guy worth 7 million because you can only pay him 5 million because you gave a fourth liner a five year deal, that’s horrible. You can get another Motte at the deadline again

The team can make it work for another stalwart, difference maker who is a role player. The Rangers are going to be in a unique spot for the next 3-4 years where much of their team is going to be young up and coming players. Having a guy like Goodrow and another guy or two like Motte and say Larsson to anchor (positively) the bottom-6 wouldn’t be a bad thing. Again, if they structure the contracts properly and get them in at good cap hits then they are moveable contracts.

 

[17futurecap]

Totally boring addition to replace Motte at probably half his price would be Zach Aston Reese for the 4th line, not going to give you any offense, but can PK, and good possession player.

Also, a Staten Island guy, so maybe he would want to come home for a year or two, don’t think he will cost much at all.

No interest in paying Motte what he’s going to get.

 

[LokiDog]

Totally boring addition to replace Motte at probably half his price would be Zach Aston Reese for the 4th line, not going to give you any offense, but can PK, and good possession player.

Also, a Staten Island guy, so maybe he would want to come home for a year or two, don’t think he will cost much at all.

No interest in paying Motte what he’s going to get.

Good call. Also to whoever said Max Domi - depending on the market for him, if he doesn’t get any good offers and would take a short deal with a modest cap hit, I’d take a flier. Could be flipped if he doesn’t workout, as long as the deal was right. The upside is still there.

 

[Lone Ranger]

Hypothetical: if the Rangers can sign Motte and Vatrano for the same term and total cap hit as Kopp alone, which deal would you prefer? I'd go with the former.

 

[NYR Viper]

Hypothetical: if the Rangers can sign Motte and Vatrano for the same term and total cap hit as Kopp alone, which deal would you prefer? I'd go with the former.

Copp over Motte and Vatrano.

In saying that, they can probably fit Copp and Motte

A guy who is low-key effective and would be a solid addition is Michael Raffl as well. I wonder what he gets as a UFA.

Also if Tyler Johnson is bought out, he’d be a target of mine for sure.

 

[RGY]

I am listening to Elliotte Friedman on the Jeff Marek show discussing there isn't much money in the system this summer. Free agency will be fast because players don't want to left without a chair. Some teams have money. Look at cap friendly. Most of the teams have little to no money. Elliotte said teams are trying to hold the line on term.

Which means either the small group of teams that have money that are also more likely to be teams that are less serious playoff contenders who will overpay for a Motte, Vatrano, or Copp, OR those guys take fair market deals (maybe slightly less or willing to negotiate) to go/stay in a place of comfort/contention.

Motte/Coop/Braun get them back. Then see where you are at come the deadline.

 

[KFC]

Lead doctor on a small gastroenterology practice in New York. NYC doctors make more than the national average, like 2-3x.

Regardless, her career is a factor in the Trouba family’s desire to stay. Those laughing it off shouldn’t.

NYC doctors actually make less than the national average. It's generally such a saturated market that wages for physicians are typically lower.

If you are talking about someone being a partner in a private GI practice that is likely a different story but for many specialties, especially if you don't own the practice, you are making less to work in NYC.

 

[RGY]

Copp over Motte and Vatrano.

In saying that, they can probably fit Copp and Motte

A guy who is low-key effective and would be a solid addition is Michael Raffl as well. I wonder what he gets as a UFA.

Also if Tyler Johnson is bought out, he’d be a target of mine for sure.

Agreed on Copp and Motte.

And from there I would still look at Ty Johnson to see if he is willing to sign on the cheap being that he was bought out and therefore is getting his money for the chance to win another cup. Maybe thats not important to him, maybe it is. Agreed he would be a good addition.

There are a lot of good 3rd/4th line options out there this offseason imo. I still want to get Motte back and go from there. You might strike gold with the guy you sign after you bring back Motte.

 

[Crease]

I continue to wonder whether the Rangers will promote Chytil and sign/trade for a 3C. The Rangers have very little breathing room cap-wise. A 2C will be more expensive than a 3C. Who is trading a young, cost-controlled 2C for Lundkvist, Kravtsov, or Othmann. Are they willing to allocate the term and cap hit for Strome or Copp?

 

[gravey9]

Also to those who say we need to fill in our fourth line. I mean why cant we just give Greco and Johnny B who i think played very well when they were up, adding exactly what was needed on the bottom lines.

Each of these players are fine fill ins. But the issue is usage. If Gallant doesn't trust his bottom 6 lines during the season, it will prevent us from being contenders.

They ran out of steam during the playoffs. Contracted sched. But also, over-usage of the top players.

The bottom 6 line couldn't handle situational responsibilities for most of the season. On top of that, our special teams were mostly handled by our top players.

Even though we acquired depth at the deadline, the lack of depth in-season caught up to the team. The bigger concern: this depth issue likely lingers for the next few seasons due to the cap.

Until we can decrease the minutes and responsibilities on our top players during the regular season, I think we are going to struggle to win 16.

Drury has his work cut out for him. What we need:

1. Nemeth's entire salary needs to go.

2. Many team friendly deals -- bottom 6, bottom pair D, 2nd Line center, kakko, miller and laf, chytil

3. If that's not possible, then a big contract needs to go either this offseason or next. If not, we will start leaking young core players.

4. Lastly, we need to scour the planet for centers and stockpile even more options for bottom 6 players that can bounce between the NHL/AHL

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Your priorities are literally backwards