Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXVII

[CLW]

This is how I see it, think it’s a bit apples and oranges. Chytil’s problem is that he doesn’t play an advanced offensive game. I think Gallant sees him as a 3rd line center.

Chytil isn’t dumb, but look at his history. He hasn’t been a PPG player and run a PP since he was 16 y/o. After that he played against men in the Czech Rep. 8 pts in 38 games. We deemed that he was done developing their and rushed him to the AHL. Chytil was 17 to start that first year in the AHL. He was amazing down there, 31 pts in 45 games. But the AHL isn’t an easy league, it’s not like he got any time with the puck on his stick.

What you have today is of course a product of that. A kid who haven’t held a stick with a puck on it and time on his hand in 6 years or since he was a 15-16 y/o in the Czech Rep.

What Chytil does well is put his head down and skate. He has good hands and can make plays down low. But honestly, he got a long way to go to think the game on a level like Panarin’s.

Strome was very different in that regard. He had pwned the Canadian junior leagues and is really good at processing the play very fast. His problem was that he couldn’t create any room for himself in the NHL. When Panarin opens things up for him, he broke out. Give Chytil time and he ends up in a situation he isn’t used to.

This is true for all the kids tho. It's why minutes are so important so they get used to the pace and development of situations in the NHL and don't panic. Also all the little things. Panarin and Strome as vets are undoubtedly more advanced in the tactical intricacies, just like Zib eg. That's why square pegging one of the kids to their line will always be a bit weird and Zibs and Kreider ended up with Vatrano brought in and same with Copp for Panarin and Strome.

Having said that, I think Chytil started to "get it" towards the end of the season and he started to simplify using his skating ability and shot. Just "close his eyes" and shoot, or get open for a shot. His style is not Strome's style, he is more of a finisher/shooter than intricate setup guy. It's also time for Panarin to wake up and not use Strome/his new C as a footsie crutch so he can hang out on the perimeter.

 

[gump116]

Trading Miller is ‘killing my darlings’ territory for me.

But just for the sake of argument — which young center would be worth giving up Miller for? Stutzle? Jack Hughes?

I said early this year that there isn’t a player save for McDavid that I would trade K’Andre for given our cap situation. Like we can’t afford any big contract and we can’t move one single of the contracts we have (only Fox and Shesty don’t have NMCs).

Those two guys for sure. Plus, Lundell, Zegras, Thomas, etc.

Miller is great and wouldn’t trade him besides for a long-term top 2 caliber young center, but you have to give to get and defense is in a much better spot than center both short and long term.

Cap situation isn’t that bad this year, but will be really bad after this year when Miller, Laf, and Chytil will all get big raises, so Miller won’t help the cap that much at that point.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Those two guys for sure. Plus, Lundell, Zegras, Thomas, etc.

Miller is great and wouldn’t trade him besides for a long-term top 2 caliber young center, but you have to give to get and defense is in a much better spot than center both short and long term.

Cap situation isn’t that bad this year, but will be really bad after this year when Miller, Laf, and Chytil will all get big raises, so Miller won’t help the cap that much at that point.

Thomas is already off his ELC. Cap gets dicey with that.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

If we could’ve had two fifths for Hajek and Gauthier, they would have been gone months ago.

Not necessarily.

It’s much different trading for guys who are waiver eligible when your roster is pretty much set, and you’d have to send someone through, and when you have open spots on your roster.

I think it’s way more likely a team bites on them in the offseason than right before, or during, the season.

Of course I’m just speculating. But you explore it is my point.

 

[B17 Apricots]

I'm not necessarily against acquiring a young center to challenge for a middle 6 spot. Always nice to get young players with upside. But to me it's like.. you already have one right here! Chytil has been here a few years, is still only 22 and just waiting for an opportunity in the top 6. So it's a little redundant to me, I'm not sure you want to roll with 2 unproven kids at 2C/3C. Give Chytil a real chance, him and a veteran in the middle 6, try to get Copp on a friendly deal. If that falls through pivot to free agency.. people have brought up some good names. Stastny, Tierney... before the kids took over in Ottawa he was a pretty decent middle 6 guy. Won't have to give up assets.

I'd rather move up in the draft and kick that can down the road a bit. Rather than bring in another young player right now, give Chytil an opportunity to grab the spot for the time being, draft a good center.. by than the kids are older and you don't have too much inexperience on the roster. You look at the last handful of years the amount of talented centers found in the 2nd half of the first round and early 2nd... plenty of good centers in that range this year.

 

[egelband]

Asset fetishists need every hit of dopamine they can get.

I consider myself an asset man.

 

[egelband]

If the Rangers don’t re-sign Strome or Copp or some equivalent, I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that Georgiev isn’t back here. He gets a lot of shit from fans (me included), but looking at some of the goaltending this postseason, he’s significantly better and a potential starter for some teams. Even playoff teams. I don’t think they should just let him walk for nothing if they can help it. If they don’t spend the money, they should be able to give him a qualifying offer to retain his rights.

Too pricey. I agree he’s not as bad as many say, but NYR just can’t afford him. Even if they agree to go below the QO like Blais, it won’t be enough below to make it work. They need a near-league-minimum backup I think.

 

[NYR Viper]

If the plan is to give Chytil the 2C spot, then Drury needs to find a very good 3C who can take some of the defensive matchups and sign him to a long term deal. Chytil and Zibanejad are unlikely to ever be defensive stalwarts, although perhaps they will be passable there.

 

[egelband]

That makes a good amount of sense as well, for sure, but I'm thinking the Rangers are probably best served to not have any more money committed past next season than they already do. Cap flexibility is worth a lot next summer. I think the center options are better next summer also if it comes to that.

I think Georgiev is worth at least a 3rd round pick based on what I'm seeing. Maybe even a 2nd. I don't think it's great asset management to let that go for nothing.

The time to trade AG for anything of value has passed. They essentially decided to self-rent him this season and the consequence is that he will walk or at best fetch a late late pick so another team can negotiate exclusively with him. That’s my understanding, at least.

 

[egelband]

I'm not necessarily against acquiring a young center to challenge for a middle 6 spot. Always nice to get young players with upside. But to me it's like.. you already have one right here! Chytil has been here a few years, is still only 22 and just waiting for an opportunity in the top 6. So it's a little redundant to me, I'm not sure you want to roll with 2 unproven kids at 2C/3C. Give Chytil a real chance, him and a veteran in the middle 6, try to get Copp on a friendly deal. If that falls through pivot to free agency.. people have brought up some good names. Stastny, Tierney... before the kids took over in Ottawa he was a pretty decent middle 6 guy. Won't have to give up assets.

I'd rather move up in the draft and kick that can down the road a bit. Rather than bring in another young player right now, give Chytil an opportunity to grab the spot for the time being, draft a good center.. by than the kids are older and you don't have too much inexperience on the roster. You look at the last handful of years the amount of talented centers found in the 2nd half of the first round and early 2nd... plenty of good centers in that range this year.

Yeah. I’d have no problem with the rangers letting all the UFAs walk and letting the kids get some prime time this season. Some will step up, some will step back. Then fill the holes at the deadline.

 

[B17 Apricots]

This is how I see it, think it’s a bit apples and oranges. Chytil’s problem is that he doesn’t play an advanced offensive game. I think Gallant sees him as a 3rd line center.

Chytil isn’t dumb, but look at his history. He hasn’t been a PPG player and run a PP since he was 16 y/o. After that he played against men in the Czech Rep. 8 pts in 38 games. We deemed that he was done developing their and rushed him to the AHL. Chytil was 17 to start that first year in the AHL. He was amazing down there, 31 pts in 45 games. But the AHL isn’t an easy league, it’s not like he got any time with the puck on his stick.

What you have today is of course a product of that. A kid who haven’t held a stick with a puck on it and time on his hand in 6 years or since he was a 15-16 y/o in the Czech Rep.

What Chytil does well is put his head down and skate. He has good hands and can make plays down low. But honestly, he got a long way to go to think the game on a level like Panarin’s.

Strome was very different in that regard. He had pwned the Canadian junior leagues and is really good at processing the play very fast. His problem was that he couldn’t create any room for himself in the NHL. When Panarin opens things up for him, he broke out. Give Chytil time and he ends up in a situation he isn’t used to.

I dont think people give Chytil the credit he deserves either. A lot of the year was ugly, thats fair to say. Injuries definitely hurt the bottom 6. The Laf, Chytil, Gauthier line struggled a ton. A 20 year old Lafreniere spent a portion of the season pretty unimpactful, Gauthier is young and unestablished. At 22 Chytil was the most experienced player on that line. That was his most played line this season.

I'm not saying he played well most of this season but I think it was more a reflection of the lack of depth until the deadline, rather than a lack of skill or offensive ability. Last year that kid line was his primary line and he scored at a +40 point pace.. that's tremendous production getting 13 minutes a night. The rare top 6 appearances he looked plenty competent. That kid line in the playoffs really flashed their potential

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Those two guys for sure. Plus, Lundell, Zegras, Thomas, etc.

Miller is great and wouldn’t trade him besides for a long-term top 2 caliber young center, but you have to give to get and defense is in a much better spot than center both short and long term.

Cap situation isn’t that bad this year, but will be really bad after this year when Miller, Laf, and Chytil will all get big raises, so Miller won’t help the cap that much at that point.

Miller for Lundell would be a terrible deal for the Rangers.

 

[gump116]

Miller for Lundell would be a terrible deal for the Rangers.

You’re definitely underrating Lundell if you think the deal would be terrible for the Rangers. It may not be worth giving up Miller, but it would take something like Miller (Laf or Schneider+Othmann) to get him.

Lundell scored at a 55 point pace as a 20 year old rookie, while playing the defensive third-line center role we desperately need. That’s pretty much prime Jordan Staal/Cirelli territory and he has the potential to be even better, like a Bergeron/Courturier/ROR type.

He would pretty much solve the teams cap issues the next couple years, as he has 2 more years on his ELC and could fill the middle-6 center role. Could have him center a shutdown line and have a balanced top 3 lines of something like:

Panarin-Zibanejad-Kravtsov
Kid line
Kreider-Lundell-Goodrow

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You’re definitely underrating Lundell if you think the deal would be terrible for the Rangers. It may not be worth giving up Miller, but it would take something like Miller (Laf or Schneider+Othmann) to get him.

Lundell scored at a 55 point pace as a 20 year old rookie, while playing the defensive third-line center role we desperately need. That’s pretty much prime Jordan Staal/Cirelli territory and he has the potential to be even better, like a Bergeron/Courturier/ROR type.

He would pretty much solve the teams cap issues the next couple years, as he has 2 more years on his ELC and could fill the middle-6 center role. Could have him center a shutdown line and have a balanced top 3 lines of something like:

Panarin-Zibanejad-Kravtsov
Kid line
Kreider-Lundell-Goodrow

Everyone on Florida scored. He faded hard in the second half too (though with it being his first year in the league, I’d give him a bit of a pass.)

Regardless, Millers are MUCH harder to come by than Lundells.

I wouldn’t trade Laf for him either.

 

[McRanger92]

If the Rangers don’t re-sign Strome or Copp or some equivalent, I don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion that Georgiev isn’t back here. He gets a lot of shit from fans (me included), but looking at some of the goaltending this postseason, he’s significantly better and a potential starter for some teams. Even playoff teams. I don’t think they should just let him walk for nothing if they can help it. If they don’t spend the money, they should be able to give him a qualifying offer to retain his rights.

Georgiev stinks as a backup. Lest we forget He lost game 3 against PIT after we came back to tie. Time to turn the page

 

[2014nyr]

Only $1.125m of Nemeth can be buried Hartford. Not the end of the world, but by the time you include his replacement you really only save around half a mil

im not sure hell be as hard to move as some think...his cap hit might be a little high but its not terrible. just think the opinions on him here dont give enough consideration to his fit in a system that asks d to be aggressive stepping up on pucks and results in dmen being left to defend odd man rushes too often - its tough on anyone but a style he is most certainly not cut out for. in a more conservative system hes a capable nhl dman who can play on a 3rd pair and is a good vet presence in a room. theres a market for that at 2.5m. not to say we get anything useful in a return, but i dont see us having to pay someone to take him.

 

[huerter]

If I'm Drury I do two things ASAP...

1. Call Travis Schlenk
2. Line up the TyJo trade

 

[Synergy27]

You’re definitely underrating Lundell if you think the deal would be terrible for the Rangers. It may not be worth giving up Miller, but it would take something like Miller (Laf or Schneider+Othmann) to get him.

Lundell scored at a 55 point pace as a 20 year old rookie, while playing the defensive third-line center role we desperately need. That’s pretty much prime Jordan Staal/Cirelli territory and he has the potential to be even better, like a Bergeron/Courturier/ROR type.

He would pretty much solve the teams cap issues the next couple years, as he has 2 more years on his ELC and could fill the middle-6 center role. Could have him center a shutdown line and have a balanced top 3 lines of something like:

Panarin-Zibanejad-Kravtsov
Kid line
Kreider-Lundell-Goodrow

Lundell is a nice player.

But, regarding Key. You know how @EdJovanovski jokingly talks about VK? I think there’s a legit chance Miller becomes a player of that stature in his prime. He’s working with a set of physical tools that might be unprecedented in hockey, and he seems to be coming around on the mental part of the game.

Ridiculous player.

 

[n8]

Lundell is a nice player.

But, regarding Key. You know how @EdJovanovski jokingly talks about VK? I think there’s a legit chance Miller becomes a player of that stature in his prime. He’s working with a set of physical tools that might be unprecedented in hockey, and he seems to be coming around on the mental part of the game.

Ridiculous player.

I think Key will be at Shea Theodore levels. he's got crazy reach. Great skater. He's got the ability to coolly get out of tough situations. He's reduced the number of panic plays. Key needs to get more muscle (while keeping his mobility) to dominate the bigger players in the league. I don't think he's got the cannon Josi or Hedman do. If he can add that to his arsenal and keep improving his defensive play + physical dominate the opposition, his ceiling just goes up.

 

[ElLeetch]

If the plan is to give Chytil the 2C spot, then Drury needs to find a very good 3C who can take some of the defensive matchups and sign him to a long term deal. Chytil and Zibanejad are unlikely to ever be defensive stalwarts, although perhaps they will be passable there.

a 3C who you can throw out there for every big faceoff would be ideal.

 

[bleedblue94]

Just adding to your post that if he can get stronger and pick up his skating, look out.


He’s another one who I would love to see get stronger.

Chytil's legs are JACKED, there was a pic floating around of him at camp and my god were his legs huge. His upper body seems like it needs some strength added. Hopefully that comes this summer.

 

[Ola]

Schneider for Newhook

Nemeth and a 3rd for Tyler Johnson at 50%

Kreider-Ziba-Kravy
Laf-Newhook-Kakko
Panarin-TyJo-Hunt
Goodrow-Chytil-Blais
Reeves

 

[Synergy27]

The Avs aren’t trading Newhook. It’s just not going to happen.

You know who’d look nice in our lineup next year? Jack Drury. What the f*** were they thinking with that Lindbom pick.

 

[bleedblue94]

That makes a good amount of sense as well, for sure, but I'm thinking the Rangers are probably best served to not have any more money committed past next season than they already do. Cap flexibility is worth a lot next summer. I think the center options are better next summer also if it comes to that.

I think Georgiev is worth at least a 3rd round pick based on what I'm seeing. Maybe even a 2nd. I don't think it's great asset management to let that go for nothing.

based on what? NYR is going to walk away from any awarded arbitration deal. If you can get a 4th you say thank you and run.

 

[NYR Viper]

So if the team decides to walk from Copp and Strome, which I am not exactly a fan of but oh well, then Drury should be keying in on Johan Larsson as a 3C. He drives possession everywhere he goes and provides a decent amount of offense in the 3C spot. Give him a 3 year deal (if possible) and pair him with Goodrow on that 3rd line. In this scenario, I would also re-sign Motte