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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVII

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Trading Kreider plus small add for 7th-9th overall

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Beacon said:
Imagine if in 2011, the Rangers swung trades of 5OA, 6OA, 24OA, 27OA and 29OA. The board would explode that the future is set. Yet, we have Zibanejad, Strome and Namestnikov today in their prime, we own the rights to Jensen and had Puempel too... and nothing is set.

Stop making trade proposals based on the idea that everyone reaches their ceiling. Some of Kravtsov, Chytil, K'Andre, Lias, Nils, etc will be minor leaguers and most will be very unspectacular, dime-a-dozen NHLers.
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Or maybe they took Zibanejad, one of either Scheifele or Couturier, and three of Danault, Namestnikov, Rakell, Jenner or Saad.

That’s a very tricky game to play.
 
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Kupo said:
Would be huge for us to see Lias take that big step forward next season and solidify that 2C spot. I know he hasn’t proven he can but he’s still so young and raw.

This is a big offseason him.
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I have a hard time seeing Andersson as the 2C for this team.
 
You would have to trade Kreider and change for the 14th, and something else.

I know some of you value Kreider highly, but in all seriousness the only asset that can return a top 10 pick straight up on this roster is Zibs.

Now I could see Kreider for the 14th, and then two other picks being packaged to move up...

But let's say it all plays out as the following:

Rangers get the 14th for Kreider. And the conditional picks work out:

2, 14, 22, 27, 31.

Would you prefer 5 picks or trade up?

Because IMO, you build the farm with the above.... and that speeds up the rebuild.

Think about it. Most teams would have to wait 5 years to accumulate 5 1st round picks.
 
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eco's bones said:
Everything I've read or heard about Kakko says he's not just a big offensive threat but a 200' all around player. Laine right now is strictly an offensive player. We saw last year what Laine does when he's in a slump. It's nothing. So no way would I trade Kakko for Laine.
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I think, to be honest, that Laine is and will be a bigger star/threat offensively than Kakko. Right now he is in a tough spot though having played bad and about to sign a new deal. I remember when AO had like 1 or 2 PP goals over half a season or something like that, or was it none for a really long stretch? All careers have up's and down's. I wouldn't say that Kakko is like on par with Eichel. Slightly behind him. But he is a winner.

Kakko has three years in front of him on an ELC. OTOH, Kakko is unproven. I wouldn't really call Kakko a 200 ft player. But he competes really hard, he battles for pucks. But he isn't the type who always gets back, drives the puck up ice.

I wonder if Winnipeg wouldn't also do it, and I do think Gorts would do it to. @BBKers can you set this up? ;)
 
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Mikos87 said:
You would have to trade Kreider and change for the 14th, and something else.

I know some of you value Kreider highly, but in all seriousness the only asset that can return a top 10 pick straight up on this roster is Zibs.

Now I could see Kreider for the 14th, and then two other picks being packaged to move up...

But let's say it all plays out as the following:

Rangers get the 14th for Kreider. And the conditional picks work out:

2, 14, 22, 27, 31.

Would you prefer 5 picks or trade up?

Because IMO, you build the farm with the above.... and that speeds up the rebuild.

Think about it. Most teams would have to wait 5 years to accumulate 5 1st round picks.
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I don't see the Rangers packaging 4 firsts to move up four slots.

However, I do think 14 and 22 would be in play if their guy is on the board.
 
If I’m the Rangers I go for absolute broke in this draft. Getting Kakko is as good as getting 2 prospects in the later part of the 1st round. Find a way to get back into the top 10 to take either one of the centers or Byram if for some ungodly reason he drops. Edmonton at 8 should be a target. They are desperate to make the playoffs, they need to appease McDavid or things could get ugly in the YEG. I’m not saying they will make a Chiarelli bad deal, but they still have urgency to be good next season. If it costs taking on a bad contract, I’d consider it.
 
Edge said:
I don't see the Rangers packaging 4 firsts to move up four slots.

However, I do think 14 and 22 would be in play if their guy is on the board.
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Definitely wasn't suggesting packaging 4 firsts to move up, but rather advocating the retention of those picks to get 5 assets for the sake of expediency.
 
Laine don`t have that star status anymore in my view - he kind of lost it this regular season with going cold for weeks at times.
Kakko & Hughes are wonderkids in comparison young elite talents I would not compare those players with him at all. Besides they are very different type of players as well.
 
We theoretically have the ammo to get Kakko, Turcotte/Dach/Zegras and Caufield.

I still dont know how I feel about trading Kreider.
 
Berserk said:
If I’m the Rangers I go for absolute broke in this draft. Getting Kakko is as good as getting 2 prospects in the later part of the 1st round. Find a way to get back into the top 10 to take either one of the centers or Byram if for some ungodly reason he drops. Edmonton at 8 should be a target. They are desperate to make the playoffs, they need to appease McDavid or things could get ugly in the YEG. I’m not saying they will make a Chiarelli bad deal, but they still have urgency to be good next season. If it costs taking on a bad contract, I’d consider it.
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Rumor: - Oilers asking teams interested in Puljujarvi to take Lucic's contract

If Edmonton's new GM is truly this type of idiot, that to prove he is better than Chiarelli he has to go full Pejorative Slur 180, and make the ask for a broken player who's only claim to fame is the position he was drafted, is to take on an albatross nightmare contract in return, then there is no... I repeat, NO logical reasoning with this group of Corporate Officers and just let that tire fire burn till it smolders out.
 
duhmetreE said:
We theoretically have the ammo to get Kakko, Turcotte/Dach/Zegras and Caufield.

I still dont know how I feel about trading Kreider.
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If you're not trading Kreider, then you don't really have any other ammo for getting into the Top 10.

Rangers aren't trading any of their younger guys. I don't see them trading several of their first rounders just to move up to the Top 10.

As much as you might be on the fence on trading Kreider...if you want a Top 10 pick, he's kinda the only trade bait for that.
 
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With the clear disclaimer that I am REALLY happy with winning the lottery and Kakko, I gotta say - I still think the NYR need to find a way to get another top C in the system.

One of the reasons I am not quiiite ready to splurge on UFAs yet. I still think they are 1-2 main pieces away from really having an elite young core.
 
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HatTrick Swayze said:
With the clear disclaimer that I am REALLY happy with winning the lottery and Kakko, I gotta say - I still think the NYR need to find a way to get another top C in the system.

One of the reasons I am not quiiite ready to splurge on UFAs yet. I still think they are 1-2 main pieces away from really having an elite young core.
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I agree with that wholeheartedly. We’re getting the winger. We need the center and the Dman.
 
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x BEUKEBOOM x said:
Rumor: - Oilers asking teams interested in Puljujarvi to take Lucic's contract

If Edmonton's new GM is truly this type of idiot, that to prove he is better than Chiarelli he has to go full ****** 180, and make the ask for a broken player who's only claim to fame is the position he was drafted, is to take on an albatross nightmare contract in return, then there is no... I repeat, NO logical reasoning with this group of Corporate Officers and just let that tire fire burn till it smolders out.
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I had to read this at least three times to make sure I was interpreting correctly.

Are they high? 4 more years of Lucic @ 6M cap hit per season if you're interested in a woefully underperforming 4th overall pick from 2016 who has proven next to nothing at the NHL level?

Yeah, I think Pul's is staying in Edmonton.
 
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HatTrick Swayze said:
With the clear disclaimer that I am REALLY happy with winning the lottery and Kakko, I gotta say - I still think the NYR need to find a way to get another top C in the system.

One of the reasons I am not quiiite ready to splurge on UFAs yet. I still think they are 1-2 main pieces away from really having an elite young core.
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I'd say they just need another really high end forward. A really, really good winger can carry a center who may not be as good.

I'm all for grabbing a center with a 2nd pick inside the top 10 though. The top 10 is filled with them this year.

Personally, I'm a little more worried about the D. The last thing I want to do is completely follow what Toronto did by basically neglecting their D despite building a juggernaut upfront.
 
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I may be changing my mind on Panarin. He was OK last night and playing on the outside. Maybe use his cap allotment to take on a bad contract and try to get a first rder above 12.
 
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