He doesn’t have a spot in the top 9 now. Imagine when Kravtsov Kakko Panarin and whoever else we take in this draft get here.
His future is probably toiling in the NYR Exile Zone: Glendale.
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He doesn’t have a spot in the top 9 now. Imagine when Kravtsov Kakko Panarin and whoever else we take in this draft get here.
His future is probably toiling in the NYR Exile Zone: Glendale.
Jaromir Jagr
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Panarin isn't better than great and has become rather overrated by our board. When we signed Richards he was 1 year removed from a 91 point season. The year before, he had the same amount of goals and only 10 less points than Panarin, while playing a more critical position.
It seems a little ridiculous to say those guys weren't great, but Panarin is 'better than great.'
Panarin is a really good player. He is not an elite goal scorer. He turns invisible for stretches of games of I have a strong sense many will be disappointed in his play after a year or two into the contract.
Personally, I think Shattenkirk and Richards, despite their failures, were far better fits at the time they were signed than Panarin today. I also think Panarin is comparable in assumed impact, meaning the expectations for him are similar to what they were for Richards and Shatty had they worked out the way we hoped.
How many guys put up close to a 100 this year? Goals are going up. It’s the goalie equipment shrinking year to year, it’s opening up holes. It’s not a flunk.
And panarin is better than anyone we have ever signed before in his prime more so than any player we’ve signed before.
But if he’s getting 10.5-11 million, I’m out for that reason. And it’s bc I’m not getting into the business of breaking my cap construction. You want to build a winner, every single guy has to take alittle less than market, help them make it up in other ways, investments info, endorsements, etc etc. but once you start paying UFA prices, your homegrown players don’t want to take less and suddenly it’s every man for themselves.
If panarin wants in, there’s a price that works that makes him a very rich man living and playing the hockey season in NYC. Go spend the summers on an island somewhere. Screw south Florida. Bunch of old people and beach bums
If you don’t think Panarin is an elite player in this league I don’t know what to tell you bro.
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His season low in points is still higher than any Ranger not named Gaborik in the last 12 years.
Your crazy. Richards had concussions issues that season and teams were shying away.
Jaromir Jagr
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You called him better than great. He is a great player in this league, he is not better than great. So was Richards. That's my point.
Also, the Rangers desperately needed a talented, #1 C. They desperately needed a #1 RH PMD. They don't desperately need a #1 RW. With Kravtsov and KK we have two top RW prospects who are both expected to make the roster next year.
What is the sense in tying up an enormous percentage of our cap in a position we have arguably the most promise at.
I'm not interesting in signing EK, but it makes way more sense than signing Panarin if we are comparing needs. And it's very possible EK will cost similar, if not less, than Panarin.
Jaromir Jagr
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I'm not crazy and you don't need to reply in such a manner. Firstly, many teams were in on Richards, so that notion is just untrue. Second, Richards put up 28 goals and 77 points. He hardly had a bad year and, again, was 1 season removed from a 91 point season.
It's absurd to act like Panarin was above and beyond his level.
Gaborik also had injuries and was, in my opinion, a better player than Panarin and a better signing at the time.
How many guys put up close to a 100 this year? Goals are going up. It’s the goalie equipment shrinking year to year, it’s opening up holes. It’s not a flunk.
And panarin is better than anyone we have ever signed before in his prime more so than any player we’ve signed before.
But if he’s getting 10.5-11 million, I’m out for that reason. And it’s bc I’m not getting into the business of breaking my cap construction. You want to build a winner, every single guy has to take alittle less than market, help them make it up in other ways, investments info, endorsements, etc etc. but once you start paying UFA prices, your homegrown players don’t want to take less and suddenly it’s every man for themselves.
If panarin wants in, there’s a price that works that makes him a very rich man living and playing the hockey season in NYC. Go spend the summers on an island somewhere. Screw south Florida. Bunch of old people and beach bums
Has nothing to do with goalie equipment. I can’t let this go as a goalie lol
League has gotten significantly younger leading to a lot more mistakes that lead to goals.
A lot more room to move. Smaller more skilled guys less physical players hooking and holding more talent more goals.
The league is faster than ever up and down and left and right. You aren’t beating goalies clean from slapshots more now than 3 years ago. You’re making them move faster/more laterally
League is looking first for puck moving dmen rather than shut down dmen.
I would hope to think that posters believe he’s “elite”, the arguments I hear are about money, timing, and fit
I consider better than great ELITE and Panarin is not a right wing he’s a scoring left wing which we don’t have. Other than kreider who could be gone very soon
And signing EK when he can’t stay healthy and you have DeAngelo and 99% sure Fox coming is like putting Extra Cheese on top of a cheese sandwich. Completely unnecessary with other holes to fill
pld459666
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The accumulating of assets is to ensure we have a good pipeline of talent
It's also going to be used as trade bait, but not for other unproven talent.
There are going to be opportunities to cash in on a legit NHL talent that can advance this process.
I'm not of the belief that Fox is the guy we should be parting with multiple assets for.
Especially considering we could quite possibly get him for nothing but $$
pld459666
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Panarin today is better than Richards was the day we signed him
Richards was also 4+ years older than Panarin when we signed him.
Panarin has less NHL miles on his body.
Getting Panarin now would be akin to Dallas getting a 28 year old Richards without the concussion issue.
To me, it's a no brainer.
Free elite level talent
I think it’s crazy. I do. Richards was not panarin. And I wanted Richards before his walk season, didn’t want him after his ‘91pt’ season and I paid attention at the time. Richards was becoming a country-club boy in Dallas and was noted as having ‘conveniently’ had a big walk season.
Panarin is above and beyond what Richards was at that time. You weren’t Richards watching then and your not watching panarin now
I can just tell by what your saying on both gaborik and Richards that you were and are going on a 7 year old memory of someone’s reputation. So what’s the point here
So does that mean panarin will or won’t score 80-95-100 points. I mean 30-50 is 80 35-55 is 90 40-60 is 100. The guy is about a 30-40 goal scorer and a 50-60 assist guy. 80-100 points. Play Mika and panarin together and both guys will top 90 together
Ohhh, a great player is available in free agency! Let’s sign him!
Looks at players stats 8 months later....
WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING TO US!!!!
Looks at players stats 8 months later....
WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING TO US!!!!
DanielBrassard
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Panarin is a LW, and if Kreider is traded means our LW depth is basically nothing. SO that's not true, and even if Kreider is kept it's him and then Lemieux and Namestnikov which is not exactly good.
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But if there's enough short term money to spend a good place to spend it is on bottom 6 versatile guys.
I'm never worried about the Rangers drafting middle six guys, but bottom six grinders they usually have to go and find. Other than Prust and Boyle, they haven't really developed many bottom six guys this decade unless you count Fast as well.
NYR Viper
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Staal and Skjei are going to be around for a while. That leaves one spot. 3 guys in Lindgren, Rykov and Hajek. At least one will need to move over
HFsNumber1Heel
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The difference between Richards and Panarin is skating. Richards was not a particularly good skater. His prime was during the clutch and grab era, and post-05 lockout when grinding and cycling were still very much a part of the game. He thought the game at a brilliant level. Very high hockey IQ. As he got older and the game transitioned to speed, he had to basically change his diet and training just to be a 50 point player that wore down during a long playoff run. He was fine for the Hawks during 15 because he was used in a very limited role.
Two major reasons why all those Rangers who played under Torts are either out of the league or not very productive despite being late 20s/early 30s is the rugged system he played which led to injuries, and other than Hagelin and Cally, most of those guys are not great skaters. The game has changed. Richards wouldn't be able to keep up in the league today.
Panarin is a great skater.
Two major reasons why all those Rangers who played under Torts are either out of the league or not very productive despite being late 20s/early 30s is the rugged system he played which led to injuries, and other than Hagelin and Cally, most of those guys are not great skaters. The game has changed. Richards wouldn't be able to keep up in the league today.
Panarin is a great skater.
I would give Panarin a 7 year deal over Kreider a 7 year deal at practically the same age, and I would gladly pay extra towards Panarin’s contract. Kreider, you know what you have. Panarin is game breaking talent, Kreider is not, and I do love Kreider’s game because he’s unique in his own way too.
NYR Viper
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To me there are two paths to take.
Option 1-
Trade Kreider
Don’t sign Panarin
Option 2-
Trade Kreider
Sign Panarin
I don’t see how the Rangers should even view signing Kreider is an option
Option 1-
Trade Kreider
Don’t sign Panarin
Option 2-
Trade Kreider
Sign Panarin
I don’t see how the Rangers should even view signing Kreider is an option
DanielBrassard
It's all so tiresome
Staal can sit and should sit. I don't view that being an option for KS which is why I see more available openings on the left.
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