Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVII

[haohmaru]

Ahh all talk. But I don’t want to put a grand down either. How bout a legitimate hundred dollar bet. Your saying they don’t make the playoffs till 21-22. And I say they make it before then.

Ah, read this after I posted. We're on the same page. Nothing to bet.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I would easily do Nils Lundkvist for Adam Fox and Buffalo's 2nd.

Why? Trade an 18 year old kid who is playing serious minutes in the 3rd best league in the world on a top team, for a college kid? Did Kovalev27 hack your account?

 

[NernieBichols]

They make the playoffs in 20-21. Too much parity in the East for them not to be in the picture by then.

Wait, so I’m losing a year huh. The other guy had 21-22, you want 20-21 to hedge. So for me to win, they have to make the playoffs next year?

You kinda changed the parameters alittle bit there, aye?

Talk to me on July 1st and I’ll tell you if I make the bet when all I got to work with is next year. If you gave me 19-20 and 20-21, and you were talking 21-22 like the original poster. I’d make a legitimate 100 $ wager, hfboards posters the witnesses, and I’d pay up if I lost. But I wouldn’t lose that bet which is why I’d make it.

I gotta see what the team looks like in July before I can tell you what I think about next season

 

[Matt4776]

I’ll bet a $1000 against rhis

So you bet $1000 we make the playoffs next year?

 

[pld459666]

I would easily do Nils Lundkvist for Adam Fox and Buffalo's 2nd.

Spend draft capital

Keep our drafted assets for bigger fish.

 

[haohmaru]

Wait, so I’m losing a year huh. The other guy had 21-22, you want 20-21 to hedge. So for me to win, they have to make the playoffs next year?

You kinda changed the parameters alittle bit there, aye?

Talk to me on July 1st and I’ll tell you if I make the bet when all I got to work with is next year. If you gave me 19-20 and 20-21, and you were talking 21-22 like the original poster. I’d make a legitimate 100 $ wager, hfboards posters the witnesses, and I’d pay up if I lost. But I wouldn’t lose that bet which is why I’d make it.

I gotta see what the team looks like in July before I can tell you what I think about next season

"Agree. If everything goes right, we might sneak in as an 8 seed in 2020-21. But not as a true competitor.
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I’ll bet a $1000 against this"

- Maybe I didn't read what went on before this, but to me this read like you're betting that they won't make it into the playoffs in 20-21 and I was betting that they would. Either way, we're on the same page and I'm not moving any goalposts or disagreeing with you. Nothing to bet. I think they're in the season after next.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Sure, but Smith isn't impeding anyone's development playing on the wing.

I think one of the reasons why people are motivated to move Shattenkirk out right now is because we have some puck moving RHDs that he's potentially taking minutes from. Even the most anti-Pionk folks would probably rather see another season of what he's got than a 30 year old Shattenkirk who has reached 38 year old Dan Boyle levels of mobility.

Do we? We have TDA, Pionk (who's not much of a PMD) and probably Adam Fox. What other puck-moving RHDs do we have? Lundkvist is a few years away, Joey Keane? A complete wildcard.

 

[NYR Viper]

Do we? We have TDA, Pionk (who's not much of a PMD) and probably Adam Fox. What other puck-moving RHDs do we have? Lundkvist is a few years away, Joey Keane? A complete wildcard.

I believe Hajek and Rykov have both played the right side

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I believe Hajek and Rykov have both played the right side

They both shoot L though, so I'm guessing they're more comfortable on the left.

 

[NernieBichols]

So you bet $1000 we make the playoffs next year?

Bets off!!!

 

[NernieBichols]

"Agree. If everything goes right, we might sneak in as an 8 seed in 2020-21. But not as a true competitor.
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I’ll bet a $1000 against this"

- Maybe I didn't read what went on before this, but to me this read like you're betting that they won't make it into the playoffs in 20-21 and I was betting that they would. Either way, we're on the same page and I'm not moving any goalposts or disagreeing with you. Nothing to bet. I think they're in the season after next.

Yeah other way around. The original guy said they’d be lucky to sneak in 20/21 and that the arrival date is 21-22. I said I’d bet $1000 they’d be in before 21-22

 

[DanielBrassard]

I believe Hajek and Rykov have both played the right side

We should have spots open on the left side. No need for them to be on their offside

 

[Matt4776]

Haha ???

I said we could make the playoffs w/o being serious contenders in 2020-21. You said you'd bet against it.

 

[NernieBichols]

I said we could make the playoffs w/o being serious contenders in 2020-21. You said you'd bet against it.

I see what happened. You were agreeing to I eat crow who said HE had 21-22 as the circled date. But you then said maybe they can sneak in 20/21.

I’d be betting against the notion that the organization has 21-21 as the arrival date. I think they want to make the playoffs next year and steal a round and expect to be playing meaningful games in May by 20-21.

The expectations shouldn’t be anything other than that. They are gonna try for a major make-over this summer. It’s obvious there are gluts everywhere, with potential replacements or upgrades available via Free agency or trade. If Gorton is about to pull off 75% of what they are ideal options are, it would a team competing for a playoff spot next year. Hell blackhawks were competing for a playoff spot, end up in 12 slot, move on to 3. So the idea that the rangers aren’t gonna gun to get much better and if they aren’t good enough to make the playoffs next year, will take their chances with Lady Luck from the 12-16 slot and keep on trucking.

Unless they decide to trade Mika and Kreider and score 3 top 10 picks this year and bottom out for a top pick next year going for their own version of team North America, this will be a team competing for a spot next year

 

[Off Sides]

I think they could sneak in next year organically without signing expensive stuff.

I also think they could end up in good lottery draft position even if they do sign expensive stuff.

I'd go with the least risky win win scenario, stay away from expensive stuff, if they do sneak in most see that as a good thing, even if they fail to sneak in and are improved most see that as a good thing. If not and they end up in good lottery position, most see that as a good thing.

Welcome to the transition period where anything can happen one way or another as they wait on the lesser good contracts to go away one way or another, but the anything can happen is based on their youth/prospects and how much improvement they make and how quickly they improve. If they improve slowly, better draft, if they improve quickly more chance of the playoffs, again both seen as good stuff.

 

[Kovalev27]

Why? Trade an 18 year old kid who is playing serious minutes in the 3rd best league in the world on a top team, for a college kid? Did Kovalev27 hack your account?

When or why would I ever say to do something like that? We’re not talking about Lias Andersson here

 

[Irishguy42]

I would easily do Nils Lundkvist for Adam Fox and Buffalo's 2nd.

Dumb

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

When or why would I ever say to do something like that? We’re not talking about Lias Andersson here

You're the first person I thought of. You should be proud

 

[NernieBichols]

If panarin puts up 35/40 goals a season and 50-60 assists for the next 5 years, we’d be kicking ourselves all over the place. You don’t get too many guys better than that.

What’s the fear again with signing panarin?
Makes us too good right now, or he’s not good enough to change the barometer? Or the money? Or the taking a line-up spot from the guy.

What is it about panarin that spells bad move to everyone?

I’ve heard all the back and Forths. So for one last time, someone tell the reasons why panarin is a bad signing. Please

(And then judge that against what you see from him when/if you’ve actually watched him and aren’t just forum/stat basing it, you watch the guy play and you realize 31 teams would sign that guy tomorrow)

 

[Kovalev27]

You're the first person I thought of. You should be proud

Yeah except that I don’t want to give Carolina anything let alone our top righty D prospect who’s barely 18 lol

The absolute most MOST id give them is that Tampa pick if it turns into the 58th overall. Otherwise I don’t budge off a third rounder.

Would be utterly ridiculous to even think we’d give up Lundkvist for a guy that’s going to be here for free next summer at worst

 

[Ola]

Do we? We have TDA, Pionk (who's not much of a PMD) and probably Adam Fox. What other puck-moving RHDs do we have? Lundkvist is a few years away, Joey Keane? A complete wildcard.

We have a few 100% more of them now than we had combined in the system from when Zubov made it until we traded for TDA and signed Pionk.

Yes, TDA, Pionk, Fox (?), Keane, Lundkvist and co are a ton.

It’s like if we had 5 Tolvanen...

 

[Good Intentions]

When or why would I ever say to do something like that? We’re not talking about Lias Andersson here

Kovalev27 and I would dump Lias like a silver medal.

 

[Kovalev27]

If panarin puts up 35/40 goals a season and 50-60 assists for the next 5 years, we’d be kicking ourselves all over the place. You don’t get too many guys better than that.

What’s the fear again with signing panarin?
Makes us too good right now, or he’s not good enough to change the barometer? Or the money? Or the taking a line-up spot from the guy.

What is it about panarin that spells bad move to everyone?

I’ve heard all the back and Forths. So for one last time, someone tell the reasons why panarin is a bad signing. Please

(And then judge that against what you see from him when/if you’ve actually watched him and aren’t just forum/stat basing it, you watch the guy play and you realize 31 teams would sign that guy tomorrow)

History repeating itself is all. Who comes here and puts up 100 pts for 5 years straight let alone one?

We’ve been down this road before and 9.5 times out of 10 it ends up being a massive failure.

Having said that I love the guy. I want him but I also wanted Shattenkirk and Gomez and Redden and Richards and Smith and Naslund and Holik etc etc.....

Now having said that. Panarin at this time is an elite elite player none of those guys were when we signed them. They were good not great. Panarin is better than great

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

I'd be OK trading a second round pick for Fox. I have absolutely no interest in giving up anything more.

What's the sense when we can very possibly have him for free in a year and a half?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yeah except that I don’t want to give Carolina anything let alone our top righty D prospect who’s barely 18 lol

The absolute most MOST id give them is that Tampa pick if it turns into the 58th overall. Otherwise I don’t budge off a third rounder.

Would be utterly ridiculous to even think we’d give up Lundkvist for a guy that’s going to be here for free next summer at worst

I don't even want to give them a 3rd. If Fox only wants to play for us, why would be give up anything? Let him hit UFA status in August 2020.

And I agree, Lundkvist is not a prospect we should give up. He has developed nicely in his D+1 season and, to me at least, is ahead of Miller on the depth chart