Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVII

[Winston2018]

GIGANTIC pass on Duchene.

Do not know much about him..what are his weaknesses?

 

[Leetch3]

Whether or not Panarin is a target with the #2 pick, I'd still like to retool or change the bottom 6 for the Rangers.

Howden, Lemiuex, Strome, and Anderson I'm fine with. Hopefully Gettinger has a monster summer or Virta can grab a spot.

Boo can be a 12th-13th forward. That leaves Fast, Namestnikov, and Vesey. Fast I love but he breaks down often over an 82-game schedule. He truly is this generation's Jan Erixon (Erixon was pretty much good for 1-2 injuries a year from his third season in 1985-86 until his back went out in 1992-93 and he retired).

This is going to be a very young and bulky team if Kakko is the pick. If Gettiner can steal a spot on the 4th, wow Rangers will be an OLine.

Some vets on 1-2 year deals can help. I mentioned Simmonds. Grit. Guys who can bring energy and cycle. Guys who will help steer this team in the right direction. Stick up for one another. That stuff seems cheezy but it's not underrated. I want bottom 6ers who are monsters on the PK.

Vesey and Namestnokov are fine, but there 28-30 goals of production can be replaced in other areas. I'm fine with trading both for like 3rd rounders and using those as "hope" picks on NCAA projects or some scrawny kid in a B-level Euro league who drools skill.

Feds, Prospal, Richards, Rupp all really helped the last group who was young and energetic. This version is going to be even younger but have much more skill.

Also remember, after next season, Morgan Baron has a pretty good shot of joining the org. Do not underestimate that.

if after year 1 of the rebuild you are happy with 4 of the 6 guys in the bottom 6 then i wouldn't consider the bottom 6 a concern

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

South Beach is like an hour and a half drive to Sunrise.

I mean, people commute longer to NYC for less money

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Do not know much about him..what are his weaknesses?

You never know when or if he’ll show up, game to game, season to season

 

[howztheglass]

You never know when or if he’ll show up, game to game, season to season

While I agree with your statement—he has put up his best numbers the last 2 years.

Funny how his best years have been when he’s been traded.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

While I agree with your statement—he has put up his best numbers the last 2 years.

Funny how his best years have been when he’s been traded.

That’s kind of part of it too, will his numbers be any good when he signs a long term deal? Plus I don’t think it matters, he wants to play in the playoffs, so I doubt he’d sign here

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

GIGANTIC pass on Duchene.

Whens the last time we had someone score 4 points in a playoff game?

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Whens the last time we had someone score 4 points in a playoff game?

So that’s the reason to sign him?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

So that’s the reason to sign him?

well the reason not to sign him seems to be he doesn't show up in big moments

 

[haohmaru]

How many of those are good contracts?
Does Kreider's production value match those that are good contracts?

I think Kreider get's a 6 year $5.825M Per.

From another team.

Kreider is getting more than that, IMHO.

Crazy thought if Breadman goes to Fla why not try to strengthen our other weakest—1A Center.

What about Duchene ? Him and Zbad one two seems really nice. He’s only 1 year older then Breadman.

Someone else said it best - Duchene is a good player that'll get great player money (like Statsny). Pass unless it's a value contract. Which it won't be.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Whens the last time we had someone score 4 points in a playoff game?

Game 6 2015 ECF vs Tampa, Brass had 5 I think.

Something about that building maybe.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

well the reason not to sign him seems to be he doesn't show up in big moments

He hasn’t shown up to even get to big moments for the past how many years? That’s his biggest problem

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

He hasn’t shown up to even get to big moments for the past how many years? That’s his biggest problem

Im not saying we should go after him, never been a huge fan but this playoff is his chance to change the narrative around him. And make himself some more money.

 

[Mikos87]

But it's not just looking at FA's. It's really important to look at trades as well. Because once we're ready to compete, we should be able to move our firsts and some prospects if players become available. If you are thin for cap-space, you lose a lot of that flexibility. Top players become available quite often when looking at these scenarios. This isn't a miss Panarin and that's it.

Just this year, Stone was moved. Hall and Subban were moved a few years ago. EK. Skinner. ROR. Yandle. St. Louis. Tavares as a UFA. Panarin. EK again.

Every year or two a big name hits the market,whether it's via UFA or FA. Acting like this is the one chance we'll have to sign a guy like this in the next few years is ridiculous. Not only will we be able to do so, but should one become available on the trade market, we will have one of the deepest asset pools to offer up.

Handcuffing ourselves by giving out a long-term, high $ contract to a winger in his late 20's is just a bad idea for a team that is still a few years away from competing and doesn't quite know what positions they will need to fill.

Cap space is an asset. Without a doubt. You maximize that asset by using it. The use of that cap space is a a huge factor on success.

What do trades cost versus ufas?

Are the Rangers accumulating all of these young assets to trade them in 2-3 years before they hit their prime? Because that's what it will cost. All of those younger assets are cost controlled for another 5 years or longer.

You win with elite players, and great depth and contributors on ELCs. The teams in contention now, with the window open have the majority of their core in the 23-29 range. That's when the window is open for most teams if their core is there, and the surrounding players can fill roles.

I suggest you look at the UFAs that hit the market prior to last year. Players of Taveres ilk rarely... and I mean rarely hit UFA.

Who was the best PPG UFA in 2015?
Who was the best PPG UFA in 2016?
Who was the best PPG UFA in 2017?

The Rangers will have enough young talent to absorb cap hits. Those players aren't earning top dollars. And if they earn it. Mazel Tov. But with the exception of Kakko I don't think a home grown asset is going to break the bank.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Im not saying we should go after him, never been a huge fan but this playoff is his chance to change the narrative around him. And make himself some more money.

He’ll definitely make his money, but I think it’s got a huge chance to backfire. That said, he’s probably going to pick a team that he thinks will be a playoff team through the contract he signs

 

[Mikos87]

I agree with your overall points on Kreider’s contract, but then I look at Evander Kane’s contract and wonder how the hell Kreider gets less than that. None of the baggage, slightly more impactful player (IMO).

And yeah I’m hoping that Gorton clears out the clutter up front. Especially Vesey, I’m just beyond done seeing that guy in a Rangers jersey.

What do you think of Eberle? He has the Edmonton stink, but I think there’s potential for a steal of a contract there. He had a down year production wise (37 points), but he’s basically been a lock for 50+ every other year. Another plus is the right handed shot. I just wonder how he and Quinn would mesh. I think Quinn could help Eberle a lot, if Eberle is willing to listen.

Anyway, if we can sign Eberle to a short term deal in the 4-5M range, I think something like that offers a LOT of upside compared to the rest of the market.

If he ends up getting 4+ years offer, though, that’s when you just say no. I don’t see many teams willing to offer Eberle term like that, though.

I'd avoid Eberle. He's not a great athlete and the skating legs aren't top tier. I think his production went down this year because it's the first time in his career where he's played under a structured system. A lot less freewheeling than the prior teams he played on.

Panarin could very well be on his way to FLA. Who is going to trade for his rights. But the Rangers get to talk to Panarin even before the draft when there is a week to gauge the market.

I would go after a Joonas Donskoi or Valteri Filpulla instead of Eberle. If you're out of the Breadman stakes, then you might want to get a Finn whose been around in NA so Kakko can room with somebody on the road and in NYC.

That would provide Kaks with some mentorship as well.

Totally agree about Vesey. Names will require retention, but I'd like to see Vesey and Fast moved. Use them to get 2020 picks even if they will be lower than a rental deal.

Accumulate 2020 picks and use the Vesey, Names, & Fast deals to sign a bunch of guys that can actually play a 4th line role.

 

[Mikos87]

Watching how Tampa is handling size and the trap its makes me lean towards size and speed

They play towards their identity. That's how the Rangers played in 2012 but lacked the upfront skill and scoring.

Look at how they minimize risk. They create puck battles and force Tampa to compete.

Shout out to David Savard, he has been outstanding.

 

[Mikos87]

Crazy thought if Breadman goes to Fla why not try to strengthen our other weakest—1A Center.

What about Duchene ? Him and Zbad one two seems really nice. He’s only 1 year older then Breadman.

Depends on the dollars. Duchene is not a $8M a year player. But I think he's Patrick Marleau reincarnated.

I don't expect Duchene to decline because of his skating ability, but he's not a player you build around imo.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

They play towards their identity. That's how the Rangers played in 2012 but lacked the upfront skill and scoring.

Look at how they minimize risk. They create puck battles and force Tampa to compete.

Shout out to David Savard, he has been outstanding.

They're forcing Tampa to play their game, and they just aren't built to play that way.

Savard has been really good, but Jones has been a God through 2 games. I would kill for a player like that.

 

[Mikos87]

Whether or not Panarin is a target with the #2 pick, I'd still like to retool or change the bottom 6 for the Rangers.

Howden, Lemiuex, Strome, and Anderson I'm fine with. Hopefully Gettinger has a monster summer or Virta can grab a spot.

Boo can be a 12th-13th forward. That leaves Fast, Namestnikov, and Vesey. Fast I love but he breaks down often over an 82-game schedule. He truly is this generation's Jan Erixon (Erixon was pretty much good for 1-2 injuries a year from his third season in 1985-86 until his back went out in 1992-93 and he retired).

This is going to be a very young and bulky team if Kakko is the pick. If Gettiner can steal a spot on the 4th, wow Rangers will be an OLine.

Some vets on 1-2 year deals can help. I mentioned Simmonds. Grit. Guys who can bring energy and cycle. Guys who will help steer this team in the right direction. Stick up for one another. That stuff seems cheezy but it's not underrated. I want bottom 6ers who are monsters on the PK.

Vesey and Namestnokov are fine, but there 28-30 goals of production can be replaced in other areas. I'm fine with trading both for like 3rd rounders and using those as "hope" picks on NCAA projects or some scrawny kid in a B-level Euro league who drools skill.

Feds, Prospal, Richards, Rupp all really helped the last group who was young and energetic. This version is going to be even younger but have much more skill.

Also remember, after next season, Morgan Baron has a pretty good shot of joining the org. Do not underestimate that.

Great post. You need veteran leadership. IMO signing guys like Bellmare, Acciari, Hathaway should be at the top of the list.

The Rangers rolled out an unwatchable cast of misfit toys on the 4th line this year. You had guys praising Brenden Smith as a forward because of how bad it was. It would be a travesty if they didn't address that. Get some reliable minutes up front. That allows your kids to be insulated.

Great point about Barron. The Rangers have a steal in him. I didn't see him play, but all reports were good. Viable NHL player.

His brother would be a great 2020 1st rounder for the Rangers if they aren't in the lottery.

 

[Mikos87]

They're forcing Tampa to play their game, and they just aren't built to play that way.

Savard has been really good, but Jones has been a God through 2 games. I would kill for a player like that.

Yeah exactly. Even the scrums are tactical. Loved the way Anderson went after a concussed Hedman.

Jones is the real deal. That Werenski-Jones pairing struggled a bit at times this year, but it is a coming out party for those two.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Watching how Tampa is handling size and the trap its makes me lean towards size and speed

You need both. Rangers will be very heavy if Kakko is the pick. Gettinger in a bottom 6 role makes it comical. Bring in some speedy guys to compliment them.

Like a poster said a few years ago, it's like Ice Hockey on Nintendo. You can't have a team of all big guys or all little guys.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

if after year 1 of the rebuild you are happy with 4 of the 6 guys in the bottom 6 then i wouldn't consider the bottom 6 a concern

I'm happy with two of them and two are developing. Strome is a very good Tweener now can play top/middle/bottom. All purpose. Howden did very well for his age/experience despite half this board wanting to send him to the gallows for most of the season.

Lemiuex showed flashes, let's see if he can hang with Prentiss have a monster summer, and be like an 18-22G and 18-22A guy.

Anderson I wasn't particularly happy with but I'm not "mad" at him. If he does what he did this season next year, then it's time to be concerned. I'm in my 30s so to me a player beginning his NHL journey 2-3 full seasons after a draft year is normal. I expect a little progress from him this year. Too many times this season he was invisible but as I said, he's ahead of the game in terms of arrival (he probably should have been left in Sweden for another year or two).

As for the bottom 6 in general, if you can improve it immediately, why not? If they can be competitive next season, it's ok. Don't tank for the sake of tanking.

 

[Fvital92]

They're forcing Tampa to play their game, and they just aren't built to play that way.

Savard has been really good, but Jones has been a God through 2 games. I would kill for a player like that.

Miller

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Great post. You need veteran leadership. IMO signing guys like Bellmare, Acciari, Hathaway should be at the top of the list.

The Rangers rolled out an unwatchable cast of misfit toys on the 4th line this year. You had guys praising Brenden Smith as a forward because of how bad it was. It would be a travesty if they didn't address that. Get some reliable minutes up front. That allows your kids to be insulated.

Great point about Barron. The Rangers have a steal in him. I didn't see him play, but all reports were good. Viable NHL player.

His brother would be a great 2020 1st rounder for the Rangers if they aren't in the lottery.

Barron and Miller as an NCAA tag team for a playoff run spring 2020 lol