Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVII

[Vitto79]

Ohhh Philly.....

If you hire him, you get what you deserve.

Rangers get compensation ?

 

[Tawnos]

I can't wait until Panarin signs in Florida.

I can’t wait until July 1st regardless. We’ve been talking about this for 8 months already. As much as I’ve engaged in the conversation, it’ll be nice when it’s resolved one way or the other.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

By situation you mean why is he being talked about so much?

Yeah.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Rangers get compensation ?

Not directly.

 

[Trxjw]

Yeah.

So he's threatening to do the NCAA UFA thing. He was a Calgary pick and Calgary was worried he wouldn't sign with them, so they dealt him to Carolina and now he's come out and said he doesn't want to sign with Carolina. So he can go back to Harvard for his Senior year, but his camp has actually asked Carolina to explore trading him.

That's where the Rangers come in. Not just because we tend to land college free agents, but because Fox is a huge Rangers fan. He's from the area and there's always been speculation about him wanting to play for the Rangers. Even during his draft year there were rumblings that some teams were worried about him going the NCAA route for that very reason. So the speculation right now is that he wants to be a Ranger and he's trying to force Carolina's hand to get here.

As far as what kind of player he is, he's very much like Kevin Shattenkirk. He's a right-handed, puck moving defensemen who is a little undersized and not that great in his own end. He has very good edge work, but lacks blazing speed. However, you put the puck on his stick and he can make tape-to-tape passes out of his own end like it's nothing. Put him on the power play and that's where you see the magic start to happen. He can pick apart a PK about as well as any D prospect I've seen in the last 10 years. He just zips passes between bodies, over sticks, and hits a guy you didn't even think could be hit with a pass. It's very special to watch. That being said, he's just an okay shooter. He's not really even much of a threat to shoot at all on the PP.

So while he'd be a great addition as a UFA, or if we could nab him with a late 2nd or early 3rd round pick, he's not a future top-pairing guy who is going to define the Rangers blue line for the next 15 years. He's more of a bottom pairing guy who maybe slots in as a #4 if he hits his ceiling, but makes his money on the man-advantage.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

So he's threatening to do the NCAA UFA thing. He was a Calgary pick and Calgary was worried he wouldn't sign with them, so they dealt him to Carolina and now he's come out and said he doesn't want to sign with Carolina. So he can go back to Harvard for his Senior year, but his camp has actually asked Carolina to explore trading him.

That's where the Rangers come in. Not just because we tend to land college free agents, but because Fox is a huge Rangers fan. He's from the area and there's always been speculation about him wanting to play for the Rangers. Even during his draft year there were rumblings that some teams were worried about him going the NCAA route for that very reason. So the speculation right now is that he wants to be a Ranger and he's trying to force Carolina's hand to get here.

As far as what kind of player he is, he's very much like Kevin Shattenkirk. He's a right-handed, puck moving defensemen who is a little undersized and not that great in his own end. He has very good edge work, but lacks blazing speed. However, you put the puck on his stick and he can make tape-to-tape passes out of his own end like it's nothing. Put him on the power play and that's where you see the magic start to happen. He can pick apart a PK about as well as any D prospect I've seen in the last 10 years. He just zips passes between bodies, over sticks, and hits a guy you didn't even think could be hit with a pass. It's very special to watch. That being said, he's just an okay shooter. He's not really even much of a threat to shoot at all on the PP.

So while he'd be a great addition as a UFA, or if we could nab him with a late 2nd or early 3rd round pick, he's not a future top-pairing guy who is going to define the Rangers blue line for the next 15 years. He's more of a bottom pairing guy who maybe slots in as a #4 if he hits his ceiling, but makes his money on the man-advantage.

Thanks. Sounds like Tony D.

 

[egelband]

This offseason rules

AV might be good for them. They have a lot of food offensive players. Might as well accentuate the positive. And I would hope AV has learned a bit from his mistakes. I think most coaches get stale in a situation. Only the gears can stay in one place for an extended period and keep growing. He could be a good fit for them with their blend of old and young offense-first players.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

AV might be good for them. They have a lot of food offensive players. Might as well accentuate the positive. And I would hope AV has learned a bit from his mistakes. I think most coaches get stale in a situation. Only the gears can stay in one place for an extended period and keep growing. He could be a good fit for them with their blend of old and young offense-first players.

The problem is their 21 year old goalie is going to be hung out to dry, not that I mind

 

[Mikos87]

I'd like a balance.

I think we have broad-based talent. But IMO, this is the draft we really take some big swings. I've always believed that.

I think that's also why the Rangers are interested in two top-10 picks as well.

I don't think the Rangers were/are content to come away from this draft with a pair of doubles. I think they've always wanted to come away with a couple of home runs.

A few weeks ago I think the Rangers were hoping to hit two home runs. I also think the draft lottery changes things a little.

Kakko has a chance to be a grand-slam home run. And now they're exploring the chance to maybe have that second homerun be more than a solo shot.

Based on what we've heard, it's becoming obvious that there is some talent at the top of this draft that the Rangers feel have very good odds of being a home run. The fact that they also have a chance to add Kakko, puts the Rangers in a extremely unique situation.

I've always advocated for more chips at the table, and while I'm not interested in trading all of them in at once, we also have an opportunity to come away from this draft with something truly special.

If we can add Kakko, and the Rangers can get someone they have strong feelings about in the top 10, that might be worth going to the podium 3 or 4 times in two rounds instead of 5 or 6 times in the same span.

That's a good analogy. A safe bet for a grand slam, and another homerun would be great.

IMO this draft is similar to the 2017 draft where there is going to be a lot of good talent in the 20s. We'll have to wait to see how the picks line-up.

If the Rangers trade Kreider for that 14th overall, I feel pretty good about a high end slider at that slot due to a number of teams going a little off the board to get their need picks. Recent years have shown that teams aren't trading down to get the guy they want even if he might be available a few spots down. I expect that to continue.

Now does that mean one of Cozens, Zegras, Turcotte, or Bryam slide? No. But a concensus top 10 pick might. Here's what I would guestimate

CHI: Cozens
Avs: Turcotte
LA: Byram
DET: Podkolzin
BUF: Dach
EDM: Boldy
ANA: Zegras
VAN: Soderstrom
PHI: Krebs
FLA: Knight
NYR (ARI): Broberg/Caufield

The Rangers could still walk away with another top 4/top 6 asset. And a good one at that.

Add in the WPG pick, you're getting another good piece. But IMO the steals of this draft are going to be in the 25-60 range.

There are a lot of good defensemen in this one, and several forwards who played below junior a competition that are 3-4 years away with good upside.

I also don't see a team trading out of that top 10 slot.

 

[Draft Guru]

Hope Flyers fans enjoy protecting the 0-0 lead.

 

[SA16]

Well it's not looking good for us to get that second 1st rounder from TB with them about to be down 2-0 in the series. I'm not sure if that's a huge deal though. We've had a lot more success with our second round picks than our late firsts. We got guys like Sauer Anisimov, Stepan, Nieves with mid to late seconds but in the end of the first we've really just had...Brady Skjei and MDZ. This might play into Gordies hands perfectly.

 

[Trxjw]

Since the lottery gods have gifted us Kakko, I'm left to obsess over another way for this team to find some sneaky value adds. If I was Gorton, I'd be scouring the 2013 and 14 draft classes to try and find the next Elias Lindholm. That guy that nobody was paying attention to because after he broke into the league, he just never seemed to get any better. Then he wound up on a new team with more talent and suddenly he's a big time producer and great complimentary player.

The one guy that stands out as a possibility is Sam Bennett. He broke into the league and showed flashes of brilliance, but he's never been able to build on it and is kind of just an average 3rd liner who can bang bodies. I don't see him ever reaching the 75-80 point level that some people thought he had when he was drafted, but riding shotgun to some of the high-skill forwards we've added or will be adding? I think he could be a great fit with a change of scenery.

Wouldn't pay a fortune to get him, but he's the type of player that's still useful even if he doesn't improve his game with a new team. Low risk and high reward.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Well it's not looking good for us to get that second 1st rounder from TB with them about to be down 2-0 in the series. I'm not sure if that's a huge deal though. We've had a lot more success with our second round picks than our late firsts. We got guys like Sauer Anisimov, Stepan, Nieves with mid to late seconds but in the end of the first we've really just had...Brady Skjei and MDZ. This might play into Gordies hands perfectly.

JT Miller?

 

[Avery16]

~2.5 more months until the ****ting on Panarin moves from here to the Around the NHL thread or his player discussion thread.

There’s no getting around the bad periods on the board. It’s just divided up into bad draft pick takes/bad UFA takes/(brief recess)/bad TDL takes

 

[pld459666]

While I'd love the additional 1st.

F##K Tampa

 

[Beacon]

After Zucc and Hayes left there was a discernible difference. Still that's when Buch and Strome really picked up their offense. The Rangers still won more than people thought they would and the team's offense didn't exactly dry up and those they didn't win they for the most part were able to keep close. But anyway those trades turned into opportunities for others. I don't expect Chytil to be a 25 point player next year--he's capable of 40 to 45--he's had leaps before. I don't expect Howden to go through a 3 and a half month scoring slump again either. These guys--even if they're not 'drinking age' aren't babies anymore. Expectations are going to be higher.

I'd also point out that whatever one thinks of the 'letter'--what it means over a year on is open to interpretation. Actually it always was open to interpretation. At the conclusion of the coming draft we will have added at least 8 1st's (if you're including Howden) in the last 3 years + some significant others--so no one is denying that the Rangers are on a course of improvement by adding prospects and through player development. That said--that doesn't mean they don't have their eyes on getting back to the playoffs soon. One course of action doesn't negate the other in this case. The coach knows his players now--he said at season's end (and more than once) that not making the playoffs is not acceptable. There is a degree of counter intuitiveness between the larger mass of Rangers fans and the Rangers organization-- for example--while the one is praying for the team to tank as a goal to get higher draft position the other is actually winning--sometimes stealing games they shouldn't and right up to the very last game of the year. It's not going to be different next year. Quinn is going to push them--he's going to expect players to step up their games and that includes kids like Chytil and Howden and we're adding either Kakko or Hughes to the mix too.

Whether we make the playoffs or not I expect we'll be in it longer and it will be a more fun team to watch.

The Rangers are worse on paper next season, but they will likely be as good on.the ice as they were pre-TDL because Chytil, Howden, maybe Vinni and/or Pionk, among others will get better. But I don't foresee enough rookie improvement not to be in the top-10 again. Pre-lottery, we're probably 5-8 again.

 

[SA16]

The Rangers are worse on paper next season, but they will likely be as good on.the ice as they were pre-TDL because Chytil, Howden, maybe Vinni and/or Pionk, among others will get better. But I don't foresee enough rookie improvement not to be in the top-10 again. Pre-lottery, we're probably 5-8 again.

That depends entirely on what they do this off season. In addition to Kakko if they sign Panarin and then get either Kapanen/Johnsson via offer sheet they are likely better than they were to start last season. That's pretty much Kakko/Panarin/Leafs W for Zucc/Hayes. And then Kreider is a question mark of course. Weaker at C without Hayes but way stronger on Wing plus the progression of the guys you mentioned.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

While I'd love the additional 1st.

F##K Tampa

That’s right, they like to bust our nuts about being their farm team while truth be told our franchise is worth 6x theirs and they just learned what offsides and icing is 4 years ago...

 

[Dijock94]

The Rangers are worse on paper next season, but they will likely be as good on.the ice as they were pre-TDL because Chytil, Howden, maybe Vinni and/or Pionk, among others will get better. But I don't foresee enough rookie improvement not to be in the top-10 again. Pre-lottery, we're probably 5-8 again.

Good it’s suppose to be absolutely loaded at the top with can’t miss prospects

 

[Rempe73]

I’m getting there too.

I think we’re all on the “sign Panarin” train, but 1) it depends on the price (8.5-9 mil AAV is the most I would pay in theory) and 2) we’re still rebuilding. We have to take it slow and not look for quick fixes. I just have a bad feeling about giving Tavares money to Panarin. I don’t know. I had a similar feeling when we signed Shattenkirk. Are these two signings related? No. Is one player entering his prime, while the other one was already exiting his prime? Probably. Is Panarin having a great past few games? Yes. But my gut is telling me we might regret signing him for a ton of money.

But man, that will set off a bunch of dominoes and give us a ton of flexibility. Kakko, Kravtsov (if he’s ready), and Buch are probably all top 6 wingers next year. Kreider will be expendable, and as much as I love him (he gave me the only puck I ever got at a hockey game when he was still my favorite player in the NHL), he will probably have to go. If we get Kakko and Zegras out of that draft, and all it cost us was Kreider, I think you have to do it (if you are almost positive you’re signing Panarin).

 

[Rempe73]

Well it's not looking good for us to get that second 1st rounder from TB with them about to be down 2-0 in the series. I'm not sure if that's a huge deal though. We've had a lot more success with our second round picks than our late firsts. We got guys like Sauer Anisimov, Stepan, Nieves with mid to late seconds but in the end of the first we've really just had...Brady Skjei and MDZ. This might play into Gordies hands perfectly.

I want Tampa to be swept honestly, but that 1st would come in handy along with Winnipeg’s (or Dallas’) 1st to trade up into the 7-10 spots.

 

[Beacon]

Good it’s suppose to be absolutely loaded at the top with can’t miss prospects

More reason to dump Kreider, Fast, Vesey and Names for futures, and let the kids play. Either we get a star prospect or we realize we already have star youth who are great even as teens.

 

[bobbop]

I fully expect Columbus to trade the rights to Panarin and Bob, possibly in a package, for a draft pick before free agency starts. Watch out for Florida.

 

[bobbop]

More reason to dump Kreider, Fast, Vesey and Names for futures, and let the kids play. Either we get a star prospect or we realize we already have star youth who are great even as teens.

No veterans?

No way to build a team.

 

[Beacon]

No veterans?

No way to build a team.

Sign cheap ones on 1 year contracts.