Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVI

[haveandare]

with or without panarin we are a lottery team next season, my guess is they still finish bottom 6 next season, that could include breakout years for buch, ada, and a few others....it still wont matter

I really don't see how honestly, especially if they add Panarin, but we'll see I guess.

 

[haveandare]

It still remains unpalatable to me. I think it changes the dynamic of the rebuild and not necessarily for the better. It becomes not wanting to waste Panarin’s prime and leads to bad long-term decisions. It’s been 13 months since the letter. This process is still so far from being complete.

I don't disagree but I don't think adding Panarin means it's all over either. We still have plenty of youth that's year's out and we wouldn't pay anything for him, let alone futures.

 

[effen]

I really don't see how honestly, especially if they add Panarin, but we'll see I guess.

they just spent a year being absolutely terrible defensively and leading the league in PIMs

panarin changes absolutely none of that.

 

[haveandare]

Agree, I think they will be even worse. No Hayes or Zuccarello at all. Maybe even not a Kreider. Staal, Smith, Shattenkirk and Lundqkvist a year older. Strome most likely will be back to his normal shooting %. Doubtfull Kakko will be one of the very few 18 year old rookies that brak 40 points.
The X factor is the young forwards, will any of them take a big leap in production. Some do at their age, but most just takes smaller leaps. When looking at all the players taking a huge leap in production this year leauge wide, most are 22-25 year old when they "figure" it out. I think we might see a 60 point season from Buch next year if this trend continue.

I don't see them being worse honestly. ADA with a whole year of confidence and 1D minutes, Buch playing better, Mika even just not taking a step back. Chytil presumably is going to develop, I'd bet Andersson and Howden are significantly better. No Hayes and Zuccarello will hurt for sure.

In terms of Kakko, imo he and Hughes are the kind of guys you can presume will score more than 40 as kids. These are really, really high level kids. I'm not betting on it, but I think they're of the level where you can say it's possible if not likely.

 

[haveandare]

they just spent a year being absolutely terrible defensively and leading the league in PIMs

panarin changes absolutely none of that.

Having their best d-man by a significant amount actually play all year with the trust of the coach should make some difference on D. Also maybe a wildcard like Rykov comes and forces one of the sketchier/crappier older d-man to be a regular scratch.

I could live with either outcome honestly, I'm just not sure I see them being so bad again. We're so used to never having young players make big strides, but it happens all around the league and we have the caliber of kids now where it can happen here too.

 

[Matt4776]

Having their best d-man by a significant amount actually play all year with the trust of the coach should make some difference on D. Also maybe a wildcard like Rykov comes and forces one of the sketchier/crappier older d-man to be a regular scratch.

I could live with either outcome honestly, I'm just not sure I see them being so bad again. We're so used to never having young players make big strides, but it happens all around the league and we have the caliber of kids now where it can happen here too.

Maybe you'll end up being right. If you are, I hope it's because our young guys take a step forward, and not because we sign a Panarin or some other band-aid.

But, I struggle to see our young guys taking enough steps forward to overcome both the loss of three top 6 forwards in Zuccarello, Hayes, and Kreider, and to overcome the amount of luck we had this year with shootouts and loser points in games we had no business being in.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Maybe you'll end up being right. If you are, I hope it's because our young guys take a step forward, and not because we sign a Panarin or some other band-aid.

But, I struggle to see our young guys taking enough steps forward to overcome both the loss of three top 6 forwards in Zuccarello, Hayes, and Kreider, and to overcome the amount of luck we had this year with shootouts and loser points in games we had no business being in.

When did Kredier leave the Rangers? Lol

 

[Matt4776]

When did Kredier leave the Rangers? Lol

Sorry. I forgot the word "likely."

 

[SA16]

Panarin is one of the best play drivers in the league so he changes quite a lot defensively.

 

[haveandare]

Panarin is one of the best play drivers in the league so he changes quite a lot defensively.

That too. The best defense is playing offense 200 feet away from your goal.

 

[Rangers in 7]

I really don't see how honestly, especially if they add Panarin, but we'll see I guess.

your adding 3 or 4 rookies to the lineup who are going to struggle at times.... howden, lias, chytil all arent ready to be a game changer and replace hayes and zucc production wise.....even if ADA plays more that defense is still a dumpster fire....personally id just rather suck for another year and get a top 5 pick, with the chances of landing lafreniere next year

 

[Kovalev27]

You’re going to add Panarin Fox Kakko and Kravtsov Lib Hajek

Plus a year older Chytil Howden Lias DeAngelo Buchnevich

Subtract Jimmy Vesey Vlad Namestnikov Claesson and most likely Shattenkirk or Pionk

And you think you’re going to finish worse than this year?

This team if they do add Panarin and maybe a Dman is Making the playoffs

 

[Matt4776]

You’re going to add Panarin Fox Kakko and Kravtsov Lib Hajek

Plus a year older Chytil Howden Lias DeAngelo Buchnevich

Subtract Jimmy Vesey Vlad Namestnikov Claesson and most likely Shattenkirk or Pionk

And you think you’re going to finish worse than this year?

This team if they do add Panarin and maybe a Dman is Making the playoffs

You're also subtracting Hayes and Zuccarello. And most people that say we're going to be worse don't believe we'll be signing Panarin. And some further think we don't sign Panarin and trade Kreider.

 

[mrmovies779]

You’re going to add Panarin Fox Kakko and Kravtsov Lib Hajek

Plus a year older Chytil Howden Lias DeAngelo Buchnevich

Subtract Jimmy Vesey Vlad Namestnikov Claesson and most likely Shattenkirk or Pionk

And you think you’re going to finish worse than this year?

This team if they do add Panarin and maybe a Dman is Making the playoffs

And all of these rookies you pencil into the lineup are expected to fit right in and not have any struggles all year??Wishful thinking.

 

[QJL]

Does anyone think Hank, Shestyorkin, and Geo all “make the roster” and play 20+ games next season? Hank plays 30ish, same with Geo, and Igor jumps back and forth from the AHL?

I just can’t see trading Geo as a good decision. He was one of the brightest spots this past season.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Does anyone think Hank, Shestyorkin, and Geo all “make the roster” and play 20+ games next season? Hank plays 30ish, same with Geo, and Igor jumps back and forth from the AHL?

I just can’t see trading Geo as a good decision. He was one of the brightest spots this past season.

Geo should stay for he was straight up responsible for getting us the 2OA.

 

[Cag29]

We had Hayes+Zuccarello for 3/4 of the year. Won't next year. We didn't have any serious injuries. Unknown next year. We're likely going to be without Kreider this year.

If Zibanejad gets hurt (or doesn't maintain his PPG pace) next year for any significant amount of time, we're picking bottom 4.

If we don't go like 7-2 in the shootout, we're picking bottom 4.

Remember, we had the fewest ROW in the league. Luck had a good bit to do with why we were at 6.

If we pick ottom 4 in 2020 it’s ok the draft is stacked from what I’ve read.

 

[Matt4776]

If we pick ottom 4 in 2020 it’s ok the draft is stacked from what I’ve read.

I mean I'm with you there.

 

[cheech70]

Does anyone think Hank, Shestyorkin, and Geo all “make the roster” and play 20+ games next season? Hank plays 30ish, same with Geo, and Igor jumps back and forth from the AHL?

I just can’t see trading Geo as a good decision. He was one of the brightest spots this past season.

Geo on the market as throw in to something bigger ala Step or a 2nd rder.

 

[True Blue]

That's obviously not exactly true, but generally speaking, a guy grabbed at #3 has much higher odds than a guy passed on until hes at #8.

You are looking at stats with blinders on as the basis of your opinion. You state that those picked 4-6 mostly do not play on the top pair. The fallacy here, among others, is that the whole argument goes to hell if a team takes him at 3. According to you, then his chances at being a top pairing defenseman jump dramatically. Byram's abilities stay the same, but his chance of being a top pairing defenseman increase with his drafting position?

When you have multiple armies of scouts passing on a kid, there's usually a reason. Of course some drafts are exceptional, but 2019 isn't one of them. If Byram drops, there is a reason.

Since we are debating the type of prospect he is now, what multiple armies have passed on him? You have not contributed a single thing as to your view, aside from telling you what stats say.

I suspect armies of professional scouts who do this full time know more than guys online who all read the same few scouting reports and maybe saw some clips.

Two things. First of all, can you site just a few of the armies that have stated that Byram does not project to be a 1D? Second of all, you have no idea if I just read on here, or just watch a few clips, or maybe read a few reports, or maybe read reports and do a good deal of watching like most others here.

Sometimes teams make mistakes and reach when they shouldn't. But if 7-10 teams pass on a kid, odds are theres a reason for it.

Oh, that's rich. So now, if a team likes him and takes him at a slot that belies your argument, that team is making a mistake and reaching. Got it.

Btw, most 3 overall draftees do NOT become first line/pair players.

Then perhaps your range should not have been 4-6.

According to you, the great majority of top line players and top pair defensemen in the league today have gone either 1OA or 2OA. That is a rather astounding statistic.

 

[haohmaru]

they just spent a year being absolutely terrible defensively and leading the league in PIMs

panarin changes absolutely none of that.

Can we wait and see the team we're putting on the ice in October before declaring that we'll be worse than this year?

FWIW, there were actually 8 teams that let up more goals than we did.

 

[NASTY]

I go to school with a Habs fan and he has said some pretty interesting things the past few days...

He claims Zibanejad is overrated
He claims Georgiev isn't that good and is only good vs the Leafs
Oh and he said Kotkaniemi is better than Kakko

I am greatly concerned for his mental health and intelligence

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Historically speaking, how many players have made such a jump and made an impact immediately?

Barkov made the jump immediately, and Kakko is pretty much on that level, and physically ready

 

[haohmaru]

I go to school with a Habs fan and he has said some pretty interesting things the past few days...

He claims Zibanejad is overrated
He claims Georgiev isn't that good and is only good vs the Leafs
Oh and he said Kotkaniemi is better than Kakko

I am greatly concerned for his mental health and intelligence

That's what happens to the mind when you get bounced out of playoff contention in game 81.

 

[True Blue]

Barkov made the jump immediately, and Kakko is pretty much on that level, and physically ready

AK, I certainly hope that he is ready. My reticence comes from 1) the kid is just 17 today 2) what is the need to rush this?