Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXVI

[JimmyG89]

This is the best line from the Brooks article from late last night:

If Pavel Buchnevich and Tony DeAngelo represent players who seemed to respond to Quinn’s tough love, then what to make of Jimmy Vesey, who recorded one point — a goal — over the last 19 games?

Other, that is, than it is more likely the Harvard product will be somewhere else rather than in Tarrytown when training camp opens in September.

I can only hope they get rid of him. He went from a 3rd liner to nothing. They traded Hayes and he became a mess. 3 points in his last 20, while getting top 6 icetime. Sell him to whoever takes him.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

4. Sign Curtis Lazar as a UFA

Lazar is the new Kudroč

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

This is the best line from the Brooks article from late last night:



I can only hope they get rid of him. He went from a 3rd liner to nothing. They traded Hayes and he became a mess. 3 points in his last 20, while getting top 6 icetime. Sell him to whoever takes him.

I thought the best line of from Brooks' article was the one where he questioned what purpose Lindy Ruff serves.

 

[JimmyG89]

I thought the best line of from Brooks' article was the one where he questioned what purpose Lindy Ruff serves.

Yes, the Ruff part was good to see, but I don't think they'll be moving on from Ruff at this point. Also, we should be honest in that he does not have a good defense to coach. Doesn't excuse him from rolling Staal-Pionk for as long as he did, or for running at terrible PK. I'd move on, but I can see him being here another year.

Vesey though, this is the first time I've seen any talk about him. He's increasingly getting worse. He almost always got double digit minutes, basically got 3rd line minutes at minimum all season long. Then when they made those trades, he got more time, and failed. When he got put on a line with Mika, he hurt the line. Brain dead plays all game. Going to get a raise because of time in the league. Get what you can for him and move on.

 

[TheTakedown]

Panthers are always "right there", but the continue to stink year after year.

bad goaltending, really... They are an easy team to fix, its just that owanersheip doesnt want to pay to fix it.

 

[leetch99]

Pavel Buchnevich is a group II with arbitration rights. He is 3 years away from group III. Does Gorton give him a 5 year contract or a 2 year bridge deal? Pavel came on at the end of the season. Do the Rangers trust him? If Pavel struggles, the Rangers aren't on the hook for a long term deal but it will cost them more to keep Buchnevich if he becomes a legit top 6 forward. He showed signs of being that player.

Kenny Albert had a stat on the Rangers-Bruins NBCSN broadcast from two weeks ago. The Rangers will have 7 first round picks over 3 years. Only one team has had that many. He didn't name the team. It was the Buffalo Sabres. Scotty Bowman became the Sabres GM and he made trades to acquire 1st round picks.

Three first round picks in 1982 & 1983. One first round pick in 1984.

The Rangers could have more than seven first round picks over 3 years. The Rangers could be the first team to have more than 7 picks over 3 years in the history of the NHL.

Well....that would be two more guys both wrong . Kenny Albert should have a stats team at arms reach and not make statements like that that are false....unless he was talking the last 10-20 seasons . However ...when you say " History" , that means a very long time . Now to get to the teeth of the matter . Habs had 2 picks in 1970 - and 3 in 71 and 4 in 72 and 1 in 73[slow year] and the grand baby of them all FIVE in 1974 . I know....I lived through the Sam Pollock draft torture ....and I know others also know . So...doing the math...that would be TEN picks in the first round over a 3 year period or 9 or 8 depends on what 3 year period you choose ....but definitely all more then 7 !!! I do believe I brought this up in a post the other day . It's all here ..... NHL and WHA Draft History at Hockeydb.com

 

[Ori]

Hold on a second. ...."Kreider is almost useless without speed."

What are we saying here??? Is this not true for any player? He happens to be one of the best conditioned athletes in the NHL. Moreover - Kreider led the entire league in goals in front of the net. So if anything, we're looking at a player that should age quite well. Sorry, not getting off the hook - I think you have this one wrong!

When he was injured with hamstring he should be rested and not play any games. But he played about 10 games and sometimes on the top line without production 0 points. And he struggled with top speed while he was injured, and until the medical staff figure out something was wrong with him. And it happens every year injury or not - he take random vacations and been doing so for most of his career here. So just thank him for his service and move on. It`s a big mistake in my view if Jeff sign him for another 6-7 years contract when we need 1st picks to rebuild the future core in the 2020 draft.

https://nypost.com/2019/03/18/kreider-reveals-reason-he-has-been-so-invisible-for-the-rangers/

 

[True Blue]

Lazar is the new Kudroč

It does have that feeling. What's old is new again.

 

[SML2]

Lazar is the new Kudroč

Does that make Ola the new Pasha666?

 

[TheTakedown]

This.

Vesey is all he is ever going to be. (Surprise!) He’s also one year away from UFA. He may be helpful in a deal for a defenseman. He has no long term future here.

Smith will be bought out. That would give the Rangers an additional $3MM in cap $ available next year.

Acquiring a top four defenseman is a necessity. Colin Miller perhaps?

Perhaps Staal agrees to move to a contender this summer. I think you would be surprised at the number of teams that would be interested at a 50% discount if he would be interested in going. Shattenkirk, I don’t know. Perhaps.

I’m torn on Kreider. He brings a lot to the organization and his price is fairly well set by the market dynamics. I’m curious what kind of deal they can get for him. It won’t be one draft pick and it sure as hell won’t be a pick in 2020. I’m listening. The market will become better defined after the playoffs. There will be some surprise bidders.

Perhaps the best part of what I read and heard today is that Gorton wants to move the process along. Brooks has clearly done their bidding on Panarin. A Hayes return? That is an intersting twist. With young talent coming, Adam Fox circling in a plane and a candle lit for a lottery win, this could get a lot more interesting sooner rather than later.

Imagine this
Jack Hughes via Lottery
Smith Buyout
Panarin for $10.5M
Hayes for $6M x 6 Years
Fox on an ELC

With the D in the pipeline that is a playoff team, no doubt, and with only one long term contract

 

[Ola]

Lazar is the new Kudroč

I have one of those at least every offseason...

 

[Ola]

Pavel Buchnevich is a group II with arbitration rights. He is 3 years away from group III. Does Gorton give him a 5 year contract or a 2 year bridge deal? Pavel came on at the end of the season. Do the Rangers trust him? If Pavel struggles, the Rangers aren't on the hook for a long term deal but it will cost them more to keep Buchnevich if he becomes a legit top 6 forward. He showed signs of being that player.

Kenny Albert had a stat on the Rangers-Bruins NBCSN broadcast from two weeks ago. The Rangers will have 7 first round picks over 3 years. Only one team has had that many. He didn't name the team. It was the Buffalo Sabres. Scotty Bowman became the Sabres GM and he made trades to acquire 1st round picks.

Three first round picks in 1982 & 1983. One first round pick in 1984.

The Rangers could have more than seven first round picks over 3 years. The Rangers could be the first team to have more than 7 picks over 3 years in the history of the NHL.

5 years does seem awfully short.

I like the Nick Schmaltz contract a lot more, both are 23. Both have played exactly 179 games. Schmaltz has 105 pts in 179 games. Buch has 101 pts in 179 games.

Schmaltz got 5.8 m per over 7 years. But he is a center and Buch is a winger. Schmaltz is better defensively but Buch should be he better producer.

4.85m per for 7 years for Buch would be a monster contract in a few years.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

I have an even better question, on a scale 1-100, how realistic is it to think that this organization owns the decision on whether the asset acquisition phase is over?

Teams that has sucked as much as we do right now usually have to spend close to a decade getting out of the hole they are in. But for us, we are weighting words and expression from our GM during the exit meeting to understand if he will snap his fingers and make us a PO team again or keep collecting assets.

This is a bit of a non issue for me. If we manage to do so well that we stop getting high 1st things are going in the right direction. Not to mention if we can stay there. Young PO team without long expensive commitments etc.

Let me put it this way, I don’t think those who are worried about the asset collecting phase being over must lose a lot of sleep. Overwhelming odds are that we aren’t getting out of it as fast as we want, not the other way around. We’d be the first team in NHL history to ever face that predicament....

A decade?

The Rangers won't take a decade to rebuild because they were realistic about where they were really at and pro-active in getting good value for pieces that didn't fit the rebuild plan. New York also has a couple massive advantage over most other teams in that it's a highly desired place for UFAs and is one of the richer clubs in the league that do things like take on bad contracts such as Belesky to gain assets.

Things look bleak now but the Rangers have only been truly rebuilding for 2 years. Things could take a significant turn as early as the 2020-21 season.

Look at how much cap space the Rangers have and in the summer of 2020 all of Shattenkirk, Staal, Smith will be easy to deal with how there deals were heavily front-loaded.

 

[Off Sides]

A decade?

The Rangers won't take a decade to rebuild because they were realistic about where they were really at and pro-active in getting good value for pieces that didn't fit the rebuild plan. New York also has a couple massive advantage over most other teams in that it's a highly desired place for UFAs and is one of the richer clubs in the league that do things like take on bad contracts such as Belesky to gain assets.

Things look bleak now but the Rangers have only been truly rebuilding for 2 years. Things could take a significant turn as early as the 2020-21 season.

Look at how much cap space the Rangers have and in the summer of 2020 all of Shattenkirk, Staal, Smith will be easy to deal with how there deals were heavily front-loaded.

From a slightly different perspective, if one uses Zbad as the start of the decade in terms of draft years, just using the more known prospects...

2011 Zbad, Strome
2012 Skjei Vesey, Nieves
2013 Buchnevich
2014 DeAngelo, Lemieux, Shesterkin (Georgiev I think would have been this draft year too)
2015
2016 Hajek, Rykov, Howden, Lindgren
2017 Andersson Chytil
2018 Kravtsov, Miller, Lundkvist
2019 ?
2020 ?

Would make a decade of picks.

 

[bobbop]

Interesting and enlightening that the Rangers players who made the greatest strides this year were Mika (D+8), Buchnevich (D+6), and D’Angelo and Georgiev (D+5).

You can’t hurry love.

 

[Matt4776]

Interesting and enlightening that the Rangers players who made the greatest strides this year were Mika (D+8), Buchnevich (D+6), and D’Angelo and Georgiev (D+5).

You can’t hurry love.

Agree. Which is why I think people who think we're going to see a huge turnaround next year on the backs of Kravtsov/Chytil/Andersson/Rykov/Hajek.etc are going to be unnecessarily disappointed.

 

[NYR94]

Agree. Which is why I think people who think we're going to see a huge turnaround next year on the backs of Kravtsov/Chytil/Andersson/Rykov/Hajek.etc are going to be unnecessarily disappointed.

True. Gotta be in for the long haul. Part of that is being patient and sticking to Gorton's plan.

 

[TheTakedown]

we are nearing the end of the selling players for assets phase cause we are running out of players to sell...

the asset acquisition phase should never be over...even when the team is good you want to continue to bring good players and assets into the system. failing to do that is what leads to the need to blow things up and do a complete rebuild

This^^^.. All that's left to sell is Kreider. Outside of that, what... Vesey, Strome, Staal, Shatts, Smith. You'd be lucky if any of those guys net you a 3rd-4th rounder or work out in a hockey trade.

 

[bobbop]

Re: Arizona...Chayka made it pretty clear in his press conference that he is looking to trade for a scorer. I know they kicked tires on Duchesne before he was traded to Columbus. Kreider would sure fill their number one need. The sense I have is that they are trying to load up and get into the playoffs sooner rather than later. They have been trying to get a new arena here and there is no momentum whatsoever in that direction. It seems like they are saying we are going to build a good team and if they can’t get the building that they want, they are headed to Houston, where money won’t be a problem.

 

[Matt4776]

Re: Arizona...Chayka made it pretty clear in his press conference that he is looking to trade for a scorer. I know they kicked tires on Duchesne before he was traded to Columbus. Kreider would sure fill their number one need. The sense I have is that they are trying to load up and get into the playoffs sooner rather than later. They have been trying to get a new arena here and there is no momentum whatsoever in that direction. It seems like they are saying we are going to build a good team and if they can’t get the building that they want, they are headed to Houston, where money won’t be a problem.

Seems like a really good fit for both sides.

 

[bobbop]

Re: Arizona...Chayka made it pretty clear in his press conference that he is looking to trade for a scorer. I know they kicked tires on Duchesne before he was traded to Columbus. Kreider would sure fill their number one need. The sense I have is that they are trying to load up and get into the playoffs sooner rather than later. They have been trying to get a new arena here and there is no momentum whatsoever in that direction. It seems like they are saying we are going to build a good team and if they can’t get the building that they want, they are headed to Houston, where money won’t be a problem.

And to answer the next question, my price on Kreider is the 2019 first, a 2020 conditional pick and a prospect. The Coyotes have a number of interesting young players.

 

[NYR94]

Speaking of Arizona damn Stepan tore his MCL and played with a brace after missing a few weeks late in the season.

But man that team needs scoring help.

 

[BBKers]

Still a few deals to be made IMO
Georgiev and Smith to Trauntah
Shatty at 50% and Names to Edmonton TDL
Pionk and Fast to Detroit
Vesey and Nieves to Carolina
The King to St Louis

 

[Trxjw]

And to answer the next question, my price on Kreider is the 2019 first, a 2020 conditional pick and a prospect. The Coyotes have a number of interesting young players.

I mentioned something similar a few pages back and brought up Christian Fischer as a possible target. What are your thoughts on him? Seems like a project player but has proven he can score as a pro. Possibly on the outside looking in with a Kreider acquisition?

 

[bobbop]

I mentioned something similar a few pages back and brought up Christian Fischer as a possible target. What are your thoughts on him? Seems like a project player but has proven he can score as a pro. Possibly on the outside looking in with a Kreider acquisition?

Could definitely be a piece. Took a bit of a step back this year but remember, this was a trapping team that did not encourage the offensive development of young forwards. I would definitely consider him.