Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[McRanger92]

I just think it’s a complete waste.
Miller plays in all situations, but he’s not knocking anyone off the 1PP this season...
he’ll prob PK and play Rw with strome/panarin or 3C....
If we want that type of player, go get Copp instead...
Is miller an overall better player? Sure.
But 1 extra signed year before needing a new big contract at 30??? Terrible idea

I think if JT comes here he’s immediately on a line with Mika-Kreider and probably gets the 3rd most PK Ice time, behind Mika & Goodrow. PP2 probably gets more time also with an actual veteran FWD who can handle the puck, not the kids being headless chickens trying to force Trouba one-timers.

 

[Lgrsean]

I think if JT comes here he’s immediately on a line with Mika-Kreider and probably gets the 3rd most PK Ice time, behind Mika & Goodrow. PP2 probably gets more time also with an actual veteran FWD who can handle the puck, not the kids being headless chickens trying to force Trouba one-timers.

i think ck/mz/chytil, bread/Miller/goodrow, Laf/strome/kakko would be the best combo with Miller replacing strome on pp1 w his lh shot.

 

[17futurecap]

i wonder if the rangers would pay for jt Miller to be retained and then turn around and take futures to use their cap space to facilitate trades for other cap strapped teams.

They should 100% do this to help western conference teams.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Dolan literally ordered Drury to pursue star players when he canned Gorton. So there's that. I'm expecting this type of terrible trade partly because Drury feels the pressure to do something from above. If Drury dazzles us all with brilliance using his enormous cap advantage and trade capital to pull off a series of smart, timely moves I'll be delighted. I'm not holding my breath though.

Dolan ordered Drury to pursue star players?
I missed this. Was this publicized?

 

[Alluckks]

The wild card in this trade season is that Vegas may not be able to wait until the last minute to make a trade because of their need to shave cap. Let’s say the Rangers move for Smith or Karlsson (highly unlikely) That takes a big potential bidder out of the running for a team like the Canucks. This situation, along with Rutherford’s propensity to act sooner that later tells me something is coming soon.

Asking for a friend, if you were to play the guessing game, what is the package that is taken for Miller; and are there more pieces coming back than just Miller

 

[mas0764]

This feels like a much larger deal than just Miller from Van. Miller & Garland? Add Smith in Vegas and a couple of other pieces and there could be quite the turnover.

For that price it should be Pettersson. Which would actually make sense for us.

 

[mas0764]

If they can get him at 50%, that doesn't have to be the case.

Even at 50% it’s really not possible to keep Miller and Strome next year. Is Strome taking like $4m? Then maybe. If he wants approaching 6, forget it.

 

[mas0764]

Trading prospects for a proven productive forward is an abomination?

Using some of our best assets for a player who isn’t a huge upgrade to Strome is the abomination. And of course a rental as well.

 

[mas0764]

For what it’s worth my 2 cents?

I think Drury will get his man. He wants Miller

I think it’s going to take our first round pick and most likely Lundkvist and another D prospect Robertson sticks out to me.

and we won’t be done. Just don’t know what else he wants to do but you’ve got other pieces still particularly Kravtsov and even Chytil

Horrid if true.

 

[mas0764]

1s, Lundqvist, Robertson and Kravtsov for Miller 50% for 1,5 seasons would be an extremely dumb move.

People act like this team is gonna win a Cup in the next two seasons with this move. It’s JT Miller, not Sidney Crosby here.

 

[mas0764]

I mean, if the plan is to trade for Miller and extend him to a modest 4 or 5 year deal while the team's window is open, then fine, I can roll with it if he's the guy that's the 2C for this contending window. It just means Strome walks, which I'm also fine with.

I wouldn't empty the cupboard for 18 months of Miller, is all. If the Rangers are trading their 1st and a top 5 prospect in the system, it better damn well be for more than a year and two playoff runs of that player.

I can live with Nils, Kravtsov, 1st going for an EXTENDED Miller.

If Miller is the guy to slot in behind Zibanejad, it still lends a huge hole on the roster at 2RW. Enter Brennan Othmann. He will have every opportunity to make the team out of camp next year and cement that spot opposite Panarin. Kid's got a quick release and has a little sandpaper. He's a good match with Panarin on paper.

Bring Rooney back. Chytil and Gauthier dealt for I don't know what.

Kreider-Zib-Laf
Panarin-Miller-Othmann
Barron/Trade?-Goodrow-Kakko (shutdown line)
Hunt-Rooney-Reaves/UFA/Barron/Trade

Yay, let’s sign another player to a long term deal at 29. This is gonna work out so well.

 

[mas0764]

Why not pursue both Miller ($$ retained) and Smith if you are the Rangers? They have the assets and the cap space.

Because then we don’t have the assets anymore to address long term center and wing in any meaningful way while having stapled ourselves to a core that includes a bunch of 30 year old non superstars.

 

[BBKers]

I seriously doubt we see a Miller sequel. Smoke and mirrors. There are other names that are more interesting and more likely. R. Smith is one. Pavelski another. I heard Drury is very active, doing due diligence everywhere and that he wants to make a big splash, if the right deal is there. Whatever that means…

 

[Vitto79]

I seriously doubt we see a Miller sequel. Smoke and mirrors. There are other names that are more interesting and more likely. R. Smith is one. Pavelski another. I heard Drury is very active, doing due diligence everywhere and that he wants to make a big splash, if the right deal is there. Whatever that means…

well it’s still early so if we see anything in the next two weeks it’s R Smith W Vegas in cap hell

 

[Anthony5967]

Dolan ordered Drury to pursue star players?
I missed this. Was this publicized?

Yea. You didn’t hear? Goodrow and Reaves!

 

[jay from jersey]

I think if JT comes here he’s immediately on a line with Mika-Kreider and probably gets the 3rd most PK Ice time, behind Mika & Goodrow. PP2 probably gets more time also with an actual veteran FWD who can handle the puck, not the kids being headless chickens trying to force Trouba one-timers.

Copp will do all those things for a 1/3 of the price...
They can also bump LaF up if he continues to play better and move Copp down.
Copp also can move up If Lafs play stalls..

I just don’t since a huge difference Copp vs Miller in the way Gallant would deploy them here...
And Copp for a late 1st makes way more sense then Miller for a late 1st + 2 other assets/prospects.
I think people are getting ahead of themselves with expecting we get Smith... very important to Vegas, proven leader/playoff performer etc....
That’s not a guy you trade when you’re trying to make a cup run just to get cap compliant.
Obviously Vegas knew this situation could possibly arise when they got Eichel, to think they don’t have contingency plans in place on moving other less important parts/ or a slick different way to circumvent the cap like Tampa did, is silly.
They likely pay to move dadonov + before gifting a team Reilly smith for a 2nd/3rd pick and possibly face him in a cup scenario.
Lehkonen and Jarnkrok are way more realistic targets..
I think the rangers have a better chance of adding Gourde then smith tbh....

 

[Beer League Sniper]

I don't see how we're not having discussions with Vegas at this point. They need to move a ton of cap if Eichel and Martinez are returning to the lineup. Smith makes the most sense for them to move, but the options become limited since they can't take any significant cap back. They're $10.32M over the cap right now, using LTIR. Other than Eichel and Martinez, they have another $2.17M on IR that can stay on IR. That leaves $8.15M to clear. Assuming that 2 players get sent down when they return, that's another $1.5-2M. Assume $2M. That's still about $6M in cap tp clear, plus the body you'll need to replace them. So it's about $7M total Vegas needs to clear, unless I'm missing something.

Trading Karlsson ($5.9M) and another small salary (Carrier/Patrick) would get them there.
OR
Smith ($5M) and a slightly larger salary (Janmark/McNabb) would also get them there.
OR
Pacioretty ($7M)

 

[Shesterkybomb]

So what did we end up getting for Brett Howden? Tell me this team doesnt know how to evaluate talent without telling me they don't know how to evaluate talent.

 

[ThirdEye]

So what did we end up getting for Brett Howden? Tell me this team doesnt know how to evaluate talent without telling me they don't know how to evaluate talent.

This is pure hindsight as it wasn't just the team. The entire fanbase was ready to discard him into the staten island dump and where shocked we were able to get anything back for him.

I'm still not entirely sold on him. His shooting percentage is insanely high this season. He is doing a lot with very little ice time over there though

 

[Paul Padovano]

The way things appear to be going, I couldn't even guess what happened to Kakko or when he's coming back. He's still week to week. I'm going to assume he suffered something much more serious than originally thought, until a report comes out. So lets go for R Smith and some other guy at right wing.

 

[rangers1314]

The way things appear to be going, I couldn't even guess what happened to Kakko or when he's coming back. He's still week to week. I'm going to assume he suffered something much more serious than originally thought, until a report comes out. So lets go for R Smith and some other guy at right wing.

If I had to guess it's the shoulder injury he's had since the first week of the season.

He's been managing all season and it got re-aggravated to the point where he couldn't play.

 

[NYR Viper]

I will have a seriously hard time if the Rangers decide to trade (3) 1st's for a player like Miller with a year and a half left on his deal. That's sickening.

Kravtsov + Lundkvist + 1st for Miller? Seriously?

Vegas is cap strapped with not many teams willing to take on substantial salary. They also need to choose if they want to fix their current and future or just current cap constraints now. Trading Smith helps now. Trading Karlsson helps both. They are bringing Eichel in so moving a center makes more sense. Karlsson's PP time is going to dry up as well which won't help his stats leading to a lower offer in the off-season more than likely.

$5.9m per season with 5 years left on his deal at 29 years old.
17 points in 32 games
The last couple of seasons he has seen FO% of 51.9% and 54%
Even before he broke out offensively, he was known as a very reliable and solid 2-way center.

Signed long term, it gives the Rangers cap certainty moving forward even beyond when the cap is supposed to increase and he is a very nice compliment to what Zibanejad brings as this teams 1C.
He is a good transporter of the puck as well, something our team lacks in general.


If the ask from Vancouver for Miller is Kravtsov + Lundkvist + 1st, huge pass. Pursue Karlsson at a reduced price tag based on many factors including:
He has 5 years left on his deal
- How many teams, even in the off-season, are going to be agreeable to adding a player with 5 years left based on how tight they all are to the Cap?
He has a 10 team no trade clause
- NY will more than likely not be on this list
Vegas needs the acquiring team to absorb the entire cap hit, no money back
- There is a very small group of teams, less even that are contenders, who can make this work. The Rangers are one of them.

If the idea is to move away from Strome, who has proven chemistry on THIS TEAM and find a different style of player than I don't think Miller is the guy. Cost and contract aren't attractive for where this team is. Karlsson fills so many holes and all of the boxes check off.

Remember, Drury has a proven trading record with Vegas already with the Reaves deal and the Howden deal.

Not for nothing, but with Vegas' cap issues and the fact that Karlsson and Buchnevich probably had similar value in general last off-season to now, perhaps Vegas would be interested in acquiring Blais who will be on LTIR for the remainder of the season + pick + prospect? Blais has the opportunity to come back in the playoffs...

 

[Avery16]

So what did we end up getting for Brett Howden? Tell me this team doesnt know how to evaluate talent without telling me they don't know how to evaluate talent.

Howden is producing well in-line with 3C expectations, and still makes < $1m.

Maybe he was hated on this thread, but his depth would benefit this roster more than the 4th Drury got for him.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I will have a seriously hard time if the Rangers decide to trade (3) 1st's for a player like Miller with a year and a half left on his deal. That's sickening.

Kravtsov + Lundkvist + 1st for Miller? Seriously?

Vegas is cap strapped with not many teams willing to take on substantial salary. They also need to choose if they want to fix their current and future or just current cap constraints now. Trading Smith helps now. Trading Karlsson helps both. They are bringing Eichel in so moving a center makes more sense. Karlsson's PP time is going to dry up as well which won't help his stats leading to a lower offer in the off-season more than likely.

$5.9m per season with 5 years left on his deal at 29 years old.
17 points in 32 games
The last couple of seasons he has seen FO% of 51.9% and 54%
Even before he broke out offensively, he was known as a very reliable and solid 2-way center.

Signed long term, it gives the Rangers cap certainty moving forward even beyond when the cap is supposed to increase and he is a very nice compliment to what Zibanejad brings as this teams 1C.
He is a good transporter of the puck as well, something our team lacks in general.


If the ask from Vancouver for Miller is Kravtsov + Lundkvist + 1st, huge pass. Pursue Karlsson at a reduced price tag based on many factors including:
He has 5 years left on his deal
- How many teams, even in the off-season, are going to be agreeable to adding a player with 5 years left based on how tight they all are to the Cap?
He has a 10 team no trade clause
- NY will more than likely not be on this list
Vegas needs the acquiring team to absorb the entire cap hit, no money back
- There is a very small group of teams, less even that are contenders, who can make this work. The Rangers are one of them.

If the idea is to move away from Strome, who has proven chemistry on THIS TEAM and find a different style of player than I don't think Miller is the guy. Cost and contract aren't attractive for where this team is. Karlsson fills so many holes and all of the boxes check off.

Remember, Drury has a proven trading record with Vegas already with the Reaves deal and the Howden deal.

I've said it a few times, I think Karlsson is the dark horse to be moved from Vegas now that Stephenson has surpassed his production & Roy has emerged as a legit 3C.

 

[DialUp]

Howden is producing well in-line with 3C expectations, and still makes < $1m.

Maybe he was hated on this thread, but his depth would benefit this roster more than the 4th Drury got for him.

Gallant would still be playing McKegg over him. Howden was absolutely horrid when he was here. We did not have the Howden that is currently playing for Vegas putting up Descharnais numbers, we had the Howden that could barely do anything other than be large, lumber, and fall into people.

Mind as well be two completely different people. I fully expect that to be Chytil if we trade him.