Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[Thirty One]

Mattias Jarnkrok plays for vegas

k.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Drury is gonna pay more for a rental at the deadline to replace Buchnevich than what he got for Buchnevich.

True we get this already. Can we stop beating a dead horse. It was a bad trade, but also it was either get those assets or self rent him. We couldnt afford the cap hit after this season. You should know this most of all

Yes i get not signing goodrow would have been Buch's money, but it really seems like goodrow and reeves have had a massive impact in the locker room and on the ice for everyone else

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

Janmark I was close

Is AZ on Dadonovs no trade ?

Listen Vegas has to do something so it’s those 2 or Smith

Arizona is probably on everyones NTC lol

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Drury is gonna pay more for a rental at the deadline to replace Buchnevich than what he got for Buchnevich.

Really tough when you look at it this way. In hindsight would have been much better off self-renting Buch. But that's hindsight...I certainly understood and supported the rationale at the time (if not the return).

 

[McRanger92]

When he was moved to wing, the coach stated that it was a way to get him more minutes. He's behind two excellent centers. I'm sure it was also a way to try and help him bust out of his shooting funk this season. Either side of the Chytil debate claiming that management "agrees" with them is full of shit. You can interpret everything that's been said/done about the player in a way that supports either narrative. Both sides just see is as "management" backing their position because of confirmation bias.

Gallant is the biggest liar out there, he’s not going to publicly embarrass his players. That’s why he’s a good coach. No matter how you want to rationalize his move to wing, he’s still going to be on the 3rd line going forward.

 

[CLW]

Mattias Jarnkrok plays for vegas

Janmark plays for Vegas. Jarnkrok is Seattle.

 

[McRanger92]

Really tough when you look at it this way. In hindsight would have been much better off self-renting Buch. But that's hindsight...I certainly understood and supported the rationale at the time (if not the return).

Lots of “ifs” around this trade that didn’t break in the Rangers favor, Blais injury, Laf/Kakko slow development & Buch looking like a solid player for STL. It is what it is.

 

[Boris Zubov]

With Chandler Stephenson.breaking out & making only 2.85 & Nicolas Roy proving he can play anywhere in the lineup from 2c-4c, I think the possibility of Vegas listening to offers on William Karlsson increased when they resigned McNabb a couple of weeks ago.

Sure they'd rather move Smith, Mattias Janmark/Jarnkrok, or Dadonov, but I wouldn't completely rule out a deal involving Karlsson.

 

[NYR Viper]

Vegas is in a tough spot. They can’t take cap back. That either means they need the other team to send back prospects and picks and absorb the entire salary or get a 3rd team involved to take a portion of a contract or a bad contract to make it work. What does that cost? Is it worth it? How complicated does it get?

There aren’t many contenders who have the cap space to make that work.

 

[rangers1314]

Janmark plays for Vegas. Jarnkrok is Seattle.

I’ve been getting these 2 dudes crossed up for ages.

 

[LokiDog]

Mattias Jarnkrok plays for vegas

… Mattias Janmark. Calle Jarnkrok. Two different folks. Two different expansion teams.

Edit: I see it’s been said. Not trying to pile on.

 

[haohmaru]

That's who Brannstrom brought back basically even. Wow.

It'd be even better if we could draft a Stone-like player in the 6th round like Ottawa did. Much better.

 

[DialUp]

With Chandler Stephenson.breaking out & making only 2.85 & Nicolas Roy proving he can play anywhere in the lineup from 2c-4c, I think the possibility of Vegas listening to offers on William Karlsson increased when they resigned McNabb a couple of weeks ago.

Sure they'd rather move Smith, Mattias Janmark/Jarnkrok, or Dadonov, but I wouldn't completely rule out a deal involving Karlsson.

Vegas should listen on Bill. What a charmed organization. Just hit after hit. If they can sell the fans on selling on their OG breakout star, then they should. He is having a down year and isn't a spring chicken.

 

[smoneil]

Gallant is the biggest liar out there, he’s not going to publicly embarrass his players. That’s why he’s a good coach. No matter how you want to rationalize his move to wing, he’s still going to be on the 3rd line going forward.

Like I said--we can have different opinions on the player, and our reasoning/logic for having those opinions has been hashed out in several threads. I just bristle a bit when someone claims that management/the coach share their viewpoint, because there is nothing out there to indicate that. My point wasn't that Gallant/Drury agree with me. I have no idea. My point is that the anti-Chytil crowd also has no idea, and that when they claim that they do, it's because of confirmation bias (ie: seeing things the way they want to see them, like a coach praising a player secretly meaning that the coach doesn't like the player).

 

[haohmaru]

Really tough when you look at it this way. In hindsight would have been much better off self-renting Buch. But that's hindsight...I certainly understood and supported the rationale at the time (if not the return).

Screw hindsight. I said from the beginning that trading him would be dumb. It is and it was and hindsight has nothing to do with it.

He's particularly frustrating because we all knew it was there and were wondering when and if it would come out of hiding. Leave it to the Rangers to finally get him where he needed to be and trade him for decidedly less than what he's worth. LaF might've been, and still might be, better served by an AHL stint to get his confidence up and, if he broke out this year, Buchnevich and his affordable contract would've fetched more at the deadline than Blais.

 

[bhamill]

Rangers, Predators, Ducks easily. Wild/Kings/Flames/Bruins relatively easily if they send something back.

Except that Vegas can’t TAKE any salary back. Haha. That’s why they would be making the trade. Not for the return as much as for the cap space, no?

 

[17futurecap]

Feel like Vegas wouldn’t do Smith dirty by sending him to a bottom feeder. Guy has been there for five years and wears a letter.

Maybe they send him to a bottom feeder who then can send him to a team with 50% retained.

Or just send him to the Rangers for the worst of the 2nd round picks.

 

[Vitto79]

Feel like Vegas wouldn’t do Smith dirty by sending him to a bottom feeder. Guy has been there for five years and wears a letter.

Maybe they send him to a bottom feeder who then can send him to a team with 50% retained.

Or just send him to the Rangers for the worst of the 2nd round picks.

send him East and to his old coach so they don’t have him burn them

 

[DialUp]

Screw hindsight. I said from the beginning that trading him would be dumb. It is and it was and hindsight has nothing to do with it.

He's particularly frustrating because we all knew it was there and were wondering when and if it would come out of hiding. Leave it to the Rangers to finally get him where he needed to be and trade him for decidedly less than what he's worth. LaF might've been, and still might be, better served by an AHL stint to get his confidence up and, if he broke out this year, Buchnevich and his affordable contract would've fetched more at the deadline than Blais.

Rangers org did NOT think they would be in the position they are in right now standings wise and competitiveness wise. This season is a surprise, regardless of what the reasoning was to jettison JD and JG into the Sun.

My bet: they thought they would have made a step, with Kakko and Laf developing along, but not in the position to compete for the 2nd seed in the Metro. They thought they would be fighting tooth and nail for the 2nd wild card. If they would have missed the playoffs this year, the improvement of Laf, Kakko, Chytil, Miller and whichever rookie stepped up would have been a fine consolation prize. The loss of Buch for the best deal on the table *at the time they decided to finally pull the trigger* would have been softened by the fact that the Rangers weren't supposed to be even close to a contender anyway.

The Rangers "window"was always supposed to be truly 2023-2024. Next year would have been the "turn" year where we opened eyes, with the following being the start of our threat to the league.

The trading of Buch looks so much worse now because if he was still around, then winning a round against a Pitt, Wash, or Boston would be probably in OUR favor. Now, it would be a crapshoot unless we do something big(ish) at the deadline. As it stands, I *personally* would put them as the underdog against any team in the East in the playoffs at this very time because of our shitty depth and lack of experience.

 

[bhamill]

I'm not suggesting that they would trade Dadonov to Arizona. I'm suggesting a team could trade some cap to Arizona to get in on the Smith bidding if the price is only a 2nd and a warm body.

But then it’s a second, a warm body and whatever they traded for cap space. Right?
And BTW if it’s not for a player the NYR are in on that sort of thing is a good use of some of our cap space, no?

 

[Circus86]

Why doesn't Vegas just activate Eichel + Martinez come playoff time?

 

[Boris Zubov]

Why doesn't Vegas just activate Eichel + Martinez come playoff time?

Tampa ruined it for everyone.

 

[SA16]

I dont think that they can send anything of much substance cap wise back. Thus why they have to shed salary before they can activate Eichel and Martinez.

They have 4.895Mil in cap now. When Eichel 10m, and Martinez 5.25M come back, thats 15.25 mil.

Thats basically 10million dollars they have to make up, Idk what that is when it is rated over the rest of the season, but you cant take salary back. Reilly Smith makes 5m even. its a pick and a prospect/ hajek/gauthier.

They can take back a few players who are in the 1M range and then send them to the AHL to clear the hit.

 

[bl02]

Just bringing it up for friendly discussion but if we resigned buch no way we have Reaves and Goodrow right (or maybe just Goodrow?) it’s a tough call but Thinking ahead About grinding tough playoff hockey I think I would rather have Goodrow and Reaves.

 

[McRanger92]

Just bringing it up for friendly discussion but if we resigned buch no way we have Reaves and Goodrow right (or maybe just Goodrow?) it’s a tough call but Thinking ahead About grinding tough playoff hockey I think I would rather have Goodrow and Reaves.

Now they need a couple more guys like Goodrow/Reaves who can produce in the top 9