Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

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Brown and Tierney for Chytil, Gauthier, Reananen, 2nd

that’s my ideal trade as it doesn’t mortgage the future
Hard to move Chytil but Brown has 1 yr left at a manageable cap hit

Kreider , Zib, Kakko
Panarin, Strome , Brown
Laf, Tierney , Goodrow
Hunt/McKegg, Rooney, Reaves
 
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Fil is perfectly fine and capable of producing with Panarin. Last year everyone loved him because of his top 30 pts/60 or whatever with an inflated shooting percentage. This year everyone dislikes him because of bad scoring with a low shooting percentage. Like clockwork.

My issue with Chytil is that the offense he was creating last year seems to have been lost as I see him doing alot of nothing.

At some point, as a centerman, its your job and responsibility to understand your linemates tendencies and play the game accordingly. I dont think he's been doing a good job of that and he's played with Lafreniere quite a bit this year.

Part of that is on Lafreniere as well, but Chytil is the distributor there.

Maybe he's not the center we (I) was hoping he can become, but he could benthe answer to the RW question we have.

I'm not rushing him out the door, but where last year I was hesitant to trade him, I'm less hesitant today
 
I don't at all see the relevance. Even in recent years how many teams have dominated another during the regular season but lost to them in a playoff series.

The NJ and van series were both complete wars. I'm not picking on Gartner but those were the type of games he typically did not excel in at all.

People can hypothetical all they want but it is MORE likely that they don't win the cup without the moves than it is that they still win it. In order to win you need everything to go right.

Do you think tb thinks to themselves "meh we would've won those two cups without trading for goodrow and Coleman, it's too bad we made those trades." You're a respected poster, but that just sounds ridiculous.

Yes the NJ series was a war, but the one thing that always gets overlooked is the speed the Rangers lost in those deals. Speed that was so successful in negating the trap in all those regular season games. Hard to say for sure in that series if that's a difference maker & shortens the series...or if we aren't greasy enough to survive.

The Vancouver series was not a war like the NJ series, however. Sure it got physical, but it was more of a track meet where Amonte & Gartners speed would've been on full display, especially on that glorious Pacific Coliseum ice. Regardless, even without them, the Rangers could've swept them had McLean not stood on his head in Game 1, or at least won in 5 had the linesman not blown an offside call on a Tikkanen blast early in the 1st period, or the Rangers didn't immediately stop playing when tying the game in the 3rd.

It's all water under the bridge at this point, but it's easy to see both sides of the argument in this debate.
 
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Yes the NJ series was a war, but the one thing that always gets overlooked is the speed the Rangers lost in those deals. Speed that was so successful in negating the trap in all those regular season games. Hard to say for sure in that series if that's a difference maker & shortens the series...or if we aren't greasy enough to survive.

The Vancouver series was not a war like the NJ series, however. Sure it got physical, but it was more of a track meet where Amonte & Gartners speed would've been on full display, especially on that glorious Pacific Coliseum ice. Regardless, even without them, the Rangers could've swept them had McLean not stood on his head in Game 1, or at least won in 5 had the linesman not blown an offside call on a Tikkanen blast early in the 1st period, or the Rangers didn't immediately stop playing when tying the game in the 3rd.

It's all water under the bridge at this point, but it's easy to see both sides of the argument in this debate.
I agree with most of what you said, but that team still could win track meets. The van series was so loved bc it was a combo of a track meet and a grind. I still believe van doesn't get enough credit for how good they were that playoffs, and I also think in general here people lose perspective of how hard winning the cup is and how needs to break properly for it to happen. I can't stand when the attitude turns into well they've could've done it without this or that. Literally no one knows that. It's the same thing in roster construction now when a small group is set on the idea that there is a perfect fomular that will win multiple cups. It is a complete crapshoot and all you can do is put your team and players in the best position to be ready for the grind and then that group needs to get it done.
 
It looks like the KHL playoffs will start early. You know what that means…

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Resigning Strome is close to impossible and comes with the very possible chance the team becomes worse to try and fit him under the cap. I also don't agree with all the Dolan talk going on here. Drury has his team already in the playoffs. I'm pretty sure he's fine with leaving Drury alone and more focused with his Knicks sucking again. I still believe Chytil gets his shot next season at the 2c spot with a veteran 3c that could take over if he falls flat on his face to give him time to work a trade. We don't need Chytil to work with Panarin when we already know he works well with Kreider and Kakko. If Drury makes a big trade it's for a long term piece and not rentals. Drury is a former player and I'm sure he understands a team with this little experience has virtually no shot at even getting past the first round.
 
No. They can't. What you posted above is the pipe-dream best case scenario for about half a dozen players.

First, we are somehow acquiring Miller at 50% without giving up anyone notable? Draft picks? Lundkvist? Othmann? What are we giving up to get our former castoff at 50% so that we can play him in a lesser role with lesser players than the ones he's been stapled to in Vancouver while magically expecting him to put up the same production?

Second, we are walking away from Blais after they intentionally targeted him less than a year ago? That was Drury's signature move in his first offseason as GM. I don't see him throwing it away after 14 games.

Third, Strome signed a 2-year "show me" deal at 4.5 million. In the almost 100 games since signing that contract, he's put up ~.84ppg, become more of a leader on the team, demonstrated that he's not just a product of Panarin, and cut way down on his tendency to commit lazy offensive zone penalties. This is also his first ever opportunity at UFA, AND his last likely chance at "the big contract." And you think he's going to settle for a $1.5m raise? After seeing Zibanejad just pick up more than double that increase?

Fourth, you pencil in a LOT of unproven young players into that lineup. What if any of Barron, Kravtsov, Scheider, or Jones can't make the cut long term next year?

Fifth, you include several players who are RFA this summer, including Kakko, Kravtsov, Hajek, and Huska.

Sixth, I notice you want to just "move" Chytil, Blais, and Gauthier. I assume we are also just "moving" Tinordi and Nemeth. In a flat cap world where half the league is up against it, exactly where are we moving all of these guys without taking ANY salary back?

Seventh, you assume that Kravtsov is not only willing to come back, but to sign for cheap AND play at the level of a top six RW (and this kid has proven able/willing to do exactly none of those things thus far).

But let's assume that ALL of those things happen. We pay almost nothing for Miller and Vancouver retains, Drury yeets his signature acquisition from the team, Strome out of the goodness of his heart leaves several million dollars at the door, all the young players prove ready, all the RFA's sign for the minimum QO, Kravtsov signs cheap and is suddenly a top six NHL RW, and the team is able to move five players without taking a dime back. In the bizarro world where ALL of that happens, here's our cap situation:

Kreider (6.5m) Mika (8.5m) Kakko (???)-- 15 million
Bread (11,642,857) Miller (2.6m) Kravtsov (??)--14,242,857
Laf (925k) Strome (6m) Goodrow (3,641,667)-- 10,566,667
Hunt (762,500) Barron (925k) Reaves (1,750,000) 3,437,500

No spare forward?

Lindgren (3m) Fox (9.5m)
Miller (925k Trouba (8m)
Jones (925k) Schneider (925k)
Hajek (???)

Igor
Huska (???)

Huska is RFA. Assume we get him, someone like him, or Kincaid at his current hit $825k

Dead cap: 3.43m


Forwards: 43.25m WITHOUT a spare forward, Kakko or krav
Defense: 23.28m WITHOUT Hajek
Goal: 6.5m
DC: 3.43m

Total: 76.46m
Cap: 82.5m


So assuming that every possible thing goes perfectly, we're still in a situation where we have just a sliver over $6m in cap space (6.04m), with Kakko, Kravtsov, a spare forward, and Hajek (or a 7th D) left to sign. Bear in mind that most teams prefer to carry a little bit of cap space as well, and we have potential bonuses to consider.

The math doesn't add up. Now, start thinking about what problems you would have if just one of your projected scenarios didn't go our way (say, Krav refuses to sign or worse, signs and then plays like crap--now we need to spend assets/cap space on a top six winger). Now add another one (say, Drury is in love with Blais, who is an RFA with arbitration rights, meaning a likely salary bump). Now add another (maybe we CAN move all five of those guys, but we need to take a couple million in salary back). Do you see how quickly it all falls apart?

And that's not even mentioning the issue the following summer, when we need to re-sign both K'Andre Miller AND Laf.


So what your saying is the math doesn’t work, something, somethin, the math could work but we’d be relying on unproven players, something something something?

If we can’t fit strome and Miller at $2.6m, then we just can’t fit strome. I think they can make it work. The roster I suggested is a good mix of veteran talent and young guys with lots of potential and it fits under the cap.
 
Keep an eye on Claude Giroux something tells me he’s on the whiteboard as an option

he’s going to choose where he wants to go and he isn’t a guy that hates his rival. Lot of respect there from both sides
He and Kreider were joking around during the skills comp. :naughty:
 
Giroux would be great, as an offseason addition. Short term, put him with Panarin or Lafreniere. Stastny would be too. If they walk from Strome, I’d go hard after both of them on short term deals.
 
Giroux would be great, as an offseason addition. Short term, put him with Panarin or Lafreniere. Stastny would be too. If they walk from Strome, I’d go hard after both of them on short term deals.
I really dont know if we could afford Giroux. What does his next deal look like is what it comes down to.
 
The 1A 1B thing is great in a vacuum but it gets tight financially. We've already got a 1C and plenty of talented wingers. A lot of these names brought up, probably including Strome, are tough to commit to long term. If they go that route they can possibly make it work for a season or two, but any GM worth their salt is going to have some sort of plan to allocate a portion of the cap unspent with our upcoming RFAs... partly why they didnt commit to Buch. Kakko will probably get a cheap bridge here but we'll see about Laf. If he spends all season next year in the top 6 let's see what the numbers look like. The Devils took a gamble and locked in Hughes long term before he really broke out. With some of the mess the last few seasons we forget Kakko and Laf are some of the best prospects to come out of their respective leagues in years. People are giving up on Chytil but the talents there too. At this point we all want to see the results instead of just potential but all it takes is one of these guys to break out... you can't put yourself in a position where you spend up to the cap and now you have no money for K'Andre, Laf, etc...

Tough because Stromes been productive and by all accounts he's a big lockeroom guy but what you really need here is someone thats cost controlled with just enough skill to play next to your franchise winger, and more ideally, strong defensively. You really don't need that big ticket item... like the Panthers grabbing Bennett. That's your type of target, strong 2 way game, affordable contract. Gourde, Barbashev, etc.. those are the guys. Personally, I think I stay in house. I just think you can't go give up assets to bring someone in when you have a player like Chytil who you've had here for years now and just not give the kid a chance. I'm plenty comfortable going into next year giving the kid 17 minutes a night accepting that it may or may not work out... you still have plenty of assets that if it doesn't you can still make a move
 
Drury doesn’t have the guts to call Kravtsov back over.
Not sure if I think about it that way, in terms of guts, as if it would be a risky, brave move.

Vitali wouldn't plug up any holes we currently have with needed effectiveness, wouldn't fix any leadership issues we *may* have, and probably wouldn't even be a good showcase for a trade in terms of ice time and performance. I would think not calling him up would be the default best move.
 
If given more time I think Chytil figures it out and could be the 2C however I don’t believe he’ll get the opportunity. Rangers will be impatient and move him either at the deadline or this summer

Frankly I’m hoping Strome prices himself out of here, I’d like to see the team get creative for next season. And also I don’t think they’ll win anything with Strome as 2C
It is thinking like this that will never make us any better. How much more of Chytil do you need to see to realize he is not only far from a 2C but I don't think he is a center period. Does not have the vision or skill to play the position. It is like beating a dead horse. I struggle even giving him the time on a 3rd or 4th line even on the wings.
 
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Not sure if I think about it that way, in terms of guts, as if it would be a risky, brave move.

Vitali wouldn't plug up any holes we currently have with needed effectiveness, wouldn't fix any leadership issues we *may* have, and probably wouldn't even be a good showcase for a trade in terms of ice time and performance. I would think not calling him up would be the default best move.

The team needs a right wing, more secondary scoring, etc.

Having Kravtsov come in determined to prove his value could be important. Sometimes a new player in the fold sends a little jolt of energy and changes things up with a team.

If he sucks, so be it, but he can't be any less useful than Gauthier has been all year.
 
Not sure if I think about it that way, in terms of guts, as if it would be a risky, brave move.

Vitali wouldn't plug up any holes we currently have with needed effectiveness, wouldn't fix any leadership issues we *may* have, and probably wouldn't even be a good showcase for a trade in terms of ice time and performance. I would think not calling him up would be the default best move.

I think Krats days with the Rangers are over. The attitude part is a killer.
 
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If Kakko gets an offer from the Rangers for $2,5 M, we will be seeing unicorns.
Strome is a goner
We need to trade assets for a young C this off-season. For a long term solution.
I like the Vilardi option. But there are certainly others. Roy in Vegas is another one.
Short term: Sign a cheaper vet stop gap 2C/3C solution for the regular season next year. Statsny? Something like that.
Make moves next TDL to seriously contend
Hope our kids develop
Draft well

But this years TDL could get nuts with all this cap space. I just hope we do not blow too much wad on short term rentals. Which is the Jimmy Dolan factor… if we win a round, it will be an Ok year. I suppose. I guess we will meet Pittsburgh or Washington in round one. Doable. Carolina will be another animal though…

Carolina is the favorite to win it all IMO. They’d need to lose before we face them or Igor to go superhuman to get by them. Possible, but not likely
 
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