Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[McRanger92]

They were in on Danault this summer until the end and that was when we still had hope in Fil.

We know it’s in their plans

Agreed but i think that was to replace Strome after a year. They can only afford to pay 1 more guy long term

 

[rangers1314]

Agreed but i think that was to replace Strome after a year. They can only afford to pay 1 more guy long term

Perhaps but I think they were really banking on Fil being that guy who could pick up offensive slack if Strome left.

Fil bombing really screwed them

 

[McRanger92]

Perhaps but I think they were really banking on Fil being that guy who could pick up offensive slack if Strome left.

Fil bombing really screwed them

For sure. Coming into the season I was a staunch believer in Chytil, but hes already got 1 foot out the door here.

 

[rangers1314]

For sure. Coming into the season I was a staunch believer in Chytil, but hes already got 1 foot out the door here.

And it sucks bc he’s only 22, he’s got a time to grow. The timing is just terrible.

 

[SA16]

Fil is perfectly fine and capable of producing with Panarin. Last year everyone loved him because of his top 30 pts/60 or whatever with an inflated shooting percentage. This year everyone dislikes him because of bad scoring with a low shooting percentage. Like clockwork.

 

[Fitzy]

Fil is perfectly fine and capable of producing with Panarin.

**** As a right winger

 

[SA16]

**** As a right winger

He's done it before as a center too

 

[wafflepadsave]

Hagel and Dach are on the menu boys

I think they said debrincat is available.

 

[brakeyawself]

Theyve got Zibanejad locked up long-term, with Strome (or another vet) to follow. I'm not sure finding another top 6 C is in the short term plans. Even one they draft in the first wont realistically be ready for 2-3 years.

Well, in my mind, that young center would become our 3C to start. Chytil really hasnt developed as a center, so theres a spot for them. But I am really not sure we extend Strome and I am not sure who replaces Strome. Maybe another vet. But that still leaves 3C available to start. 4th line, we have more than enough grit players for now. But potentially, that's where I see a young center developing, at 3C, until they are ready for 2C. And honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing Chytil tried on the wing because he just hasn't cut it at center for me when he's been healthy. But if a young C were ready to move into 2C as early as next year, we wouldn't need a vet or Strome theoretically.

Plus, I don't see Goodrow as a long term top 6. Not Gauthier either. Which means either Kakko, Laf or both have to step up eventually, or we need another winger. Maybe Chytil? Either way. That's kind of the route I hope we go in.

 

[mottosays]

For sure. Coming into the season I was a staunch believer in Chytil, but hes already got 1 foot out the door here.

This was his make or break year and he failed at taking that 2C spot. His only real value to this team is either a trade or a bottom six winger.

Really would've gone a long way to figure out what we had in Chytil this year. IMO way more disappointing than Kakko or Lafreniere. They still have time.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Kreider was going to be a UFA at season’s end.
Put a pending deal in place with his agent and then tell Chris to take one for the team. Tell him to go to Dallas and have fun competing for the cup and when it’s over this contract and the “C “ will be waiting for you.
One of the lucky times a G.M. gets to eat his cake and have it to.
Missed opportunity.
If I was to guess, some genius in the organization thought they could ride a white hot Shesterkin all the way to the finals.
Then Carolina put an end to that pipe dream.
Hopefully Drury’s remembers that outcome as we approach the TDL.
Zero return assets for Kreider, Fast, Georgiev and TDA. The last two when their values were at an all time high. Gorton an Co. already knew they were having issues with Tony.
Oh well, the saddest words in the English language, “What could have been “.

 

[RGY]

So happy Kreider is here leading the way

 

[Paul Padovano]

Which is the worse place to be right now for an NHLer, Arizona or Buffalo?

The latter has always been a hockey town. They'll get there.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

The latter has always been a hockey town. They'll get there.

True, but it's still Buffalo. At least it's warm in Arizona and nobody is gonna bother you there.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Which is the worse place to be right now for an NHLer, Arizona or Buffalo?

If he hates taxes, currency depreciation, cold weather and snow then the six Canadien teams, Buffalo and Minnesota.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

If he hates taxes, currency depreciation, cold weather and snow then the six Canadien teams, Buffalo and Minnesota.

Bang a rang

 

[Paul Padovano]

True, but it's still Buffalo. At least it's warm in Arizona and nobody is gonna bother you there.

No one bothers other people in Arizona?

 

[TheBloodyNine]

No one bothers other people in Arizona?

What I mean is, you can walk down the street and nobody is going to know who you are and that you play a professional sport because nobody cares about hockey there.

 

[bleedblue94]

It's not really outrageous to suggest that this team doesn't need 7 games to get past NJ and Vancouver if they didn't make certain trades.

Of course nobody will ever know but in the reg season they outscored Vancouver 11-5 over 2 games and NJ 24-9 over 6 games, winning all 8 by the way.

I don't at all see the relevance. Even in recent years how many teams have dominated another during the regular season but lost to them in a playoff series.

The NJ and van series were both complete wars. I'm not picking on Gartner but those were the type of games he typically did not excel in at all.

People can hypothetical all they want but it is MORE likely that they don't win the cup without the moves than it is that they still win it. In order to win you need everything to go right.

Do you think tb thinks to themselves "meh we would've won those two cups without trading for goodrow and Coleman, it's too bad we made those trades." You're a respected poster, but that just sounds ridiculous.

 

[Lgrsean]

There is no way that Strome fits with Miller here, whether at 50% or otherwise. Strome is unlikely to fit even if they DON'T add salary to what they have right now. The salary cap exists, and this team is up against it. The only way Strome is back is if he leaves a HUGE pile of money at the door, or if they move Kreider or Trouba.

If the rangers can’t resign strome and have a forward on the roster for $2.6m it’s even more of a reason to trade for jt Miller. But if strome signs for $6m they can have both.

Mika, Miller, barron, Strome, bread, Kreider, Laf, hunt, kakko, goodrow, kravtsov, reaves, fox, Lindgren, Trouba, Miller, Schneider, Jones, hajek (bc the rangers can’t quit him) Igor, Huska fit under the cap. Do you disagree w that?

And you can trade the rights to chytil, blais, Gauthier for futures.

 

[bleedblue94]

I didn't catch what was being discussed before I asked this. Are you saying that those who are against rentals, must have been against the deadline acquisitions that were made in 94'?

Someone asked who scored the cup winner in response/support to me saying you can't just say eh we would've won the cup in 94 without making those trades so they were a waste. They had the right mix to get the job done, end of story

 

[bleedblue94]

Amonte would have scored 2 goals on that play.

And Gartner would've had a hat trick in game 8 of the series...

 

[AIexisLafreniereNYR]

Is Giroux a legitimate target for us? What would it cost? Nils+Chytil?

 

[jay from jersey]

People complain that this team has no real true center prospects who can take the team into the future and then everyone is trading away 1st’s and 2nd’s where the team should be taking those players.

Unfortunately with the age and contract status of certain core players, as well as counting on some young ones to become better, and others to help bolster the ranks in the next 2-3 seasons, the center situation for a long term 2C basically has to come via trade.
They hopefully find and target a guy that is young, but also ready for the rigors of NHL 2C duty..
Having a hope and a prayer that the center prospect comes from a late 1st this year is a long shot and not realistic.
They aren’t going to waste shesty a 3 more years on a manageable deal, plus Zibby/panarin/ Kreids or Trouba whoever stays imo, at the peak of their careers before then go into a down turn, on waiting and praying for a late rd pick to develop.
Most centers ( high end anyway) go in the top 10-12 picks and earlier.....
Look at chytil. 22 OV A and it’s been 5 years..... they aren’t going to bank on that again.
We currently have a lot of boxes checked... if LaF/kakko take significant steps, that goes a long way. The net and the blue line is solid.,...
I don’t see any other way this team adds a legit young cost controlled 2C that’s ready for duty, that doesn’t come via trade atm.
At best the alternative is to resign strome, try to trade/fit Hertl, or trade for miller for 2 years.... those are all band aid solutions to a gun shot hole in the line up.

 

[smoneil]

If the rangers can’t resign strome and have a forward on the roster for $2.6m it’s even more of a reason to trade for jt Miller. But if strome signs for $6m they can have both.

Mika, Miller, barron, Strome, bread, Kreider, Laf, hunt, kakko, goodrow, kravtsov, reaves, fox, Lindgren, Trouba, Miller, Schneider, Jones, hajek (bc the rangers can’t quit him) Igor, Huska fit under the cap. Do you disagree w that?

And you can trade the rights to chytil, blais, Gauthier for futures.

No. They can't. What you posted above is the pipe-dream best case scenario for about half a dozen players.

First, we are somehow acquiring Miller at 50% without giving up anyone notable? Draft picks? Lundkvist? Othmann? What are we giving up to get our former castoff at 50% so that we can play him in a lesser role with lesser players than the ones he's been stapled to in Vancouver while magically expecting him to put up the same production?

Second, we are walking away from Blais after they intentionally targeted him less than a year ago? That was Drury's signature move in his first offseason as GM. I don't see him throwing it away after 14 games.

Third, Strome signed a 2-year "show me" deal at 4.5 million. In the almost 100 games since signing that contract, he's put up ~.84ppg, become more of a leader on the team, demonstrated that he's not just a product of Panarin, and cut way down on his tendency to commit lazy offensive zone penalties. This is also his first ever opportunity at UFA, AND his last likely chance at "the big contract." And you think he's going to settle for a $1.5m raise? After seeing Zibanejad just pick up more than double that increase?

Fourth, you pencil in a LOT of unproven young players into that lineup. What if any of Barron, Kravtsov, Scheider, or Jones can't make the cut long term next year?

Fifth, you include several players who are RFA this summer, including Kakko, Kravtsov, Hajek, and Huska.

Sixth, I notice you want to just "move" Chytil, Blais, and Gauthier. I assume we are also just "moving" Tinordi and Nemeth. In a flat cap world where half the league is up against it, exactly where are we moving all of these guys without taking ANY salary back?

Seventh, you assume that Kravtsov is not only willing to come back, but to sign for cheap AND play at the level of a top six RW (and this kid has proven able/willing to do exactly none of those things thus far).

But let's assume that ALL of those things happen. We pay almost nothing for Miller and Vancouver retains, Drury yeets his signature acquisition from the team, Strome out of the goodness of his heart leaves several million dollars at the door, all the young players prove ready, all the RFA's sign for the minimum QO, Kravtsov signs cheap and is suddenly a top six NHL RW, and the team is able to move five players without taking a dime back. In the bizarro world where ALL of that happens, here's our cap situation:

Kreider (6.5m) Mika (8.5m) Kakko (???)-- 15 million
Bread (11,642,857) Miller (2.6m) Kravtsov (??)--14,242,857
Laf (925k) Strome (6m) Goodrow (3,641,667)-- 10,566,667
Hunt (762,500) Barron (925k) Reaves (1,750,000) 3,437,500

No spare forward?

Lindgren (3m) Fox (9.5m)
Miller (925k Trouba (8m)
Jones (925k) Schneider (925k)
Hajek (???)

Igor
Huska (???)

Huska is RFA. Assume we get him, someone like him, or Kincaid at his current hit $825k

Dead cap: 3.43m


Forwards: 43.25m WITHOUT a spare forward, Kakko or krav
Defense: 23.28m WITHOUT Hajek
Goal: 6.5m
DC: 3.43m

Total: 76.46m
Cap: 82.5m


So assuming that every possible thing goes perfectly, we're still in a situation where we have just a sliver over $6m in cap space (6.04m), with Kakko, Kravtsov, a spare forward, and Hajek (or a 7th D) left to sign. Bear in mind that most teams prefer to carry a little bit of cap space as well, and we have potential bonuses to consider.

The math doesn't add up. Now, start thinking about what problems you would have if just one of your projected scenarios didn't go our way (say, Krav refuses to sign or worse, signs and then plays like crap--now we need to spend assets/cap space on a top six winger). Now add another one (say, Drury is in love with Blais, who is an RFA with arbitration rights, meaning a likely salary bump). Now add another (maybe we CAN move all five of those guys, but we need to take a couple million in salary back). Do you see how quickly it all falls apart?

And that's not even mentioning the issue the following summer, when we need to re-sign both K'Andre Miller AND Laf.