Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXV

[duhmetreE]

Hate to break it to people but this years 1st is almost definitely on the table for a rental. I'd imagine someone in the Robertson tier would be as well.

These are good problems to be faced with.

I don't know. I think it's definitely not going for a rental, we're not there yet.

 

[mas0764]

NGL, I'm pretty ok with not trading Kreider if the result is him leading the league in goals.

It's definitely worked out for the best this year, but if you were getting what you had gotten say the last 4 years of his career, and instead could have had a first that could have been packaged to move up for Lundell, plus Jason Robertson, who actually has more points than Kreider in 2021-22, it's a no brainer.

And even with Kreider leading the league in goals this season, I'd prefer the 22 year old with more total points plus a first.

 

[bleedblue94]

Do we know who scored the gwg in game 7 of the SCF? Every time I watch it, it doesn't look like Messier's goal.

noonan, but hey some guys think he wasn't needed either...

 

[mas0764]

Hagel and Dach are on the menu boys

Get me Dach

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

I think the plan should be to retain Strome and remain patient. Backfill the roster with another veteran 3rd liner/Swiss army knife player and go to war this season.

Moving into the offseason, see what’s available and honestly I’d prefer to use a surplus of assets to find the right young, inexpensive center than paying a premium for someone like Miller or Schiefele, both of which are marginal improvement on Strome who costs the team nothing to acquire and they know fits this team.

If someone is found this offseason that fits and they need the cap space then look to trade Trouba. Strome rotates to either 3C or 2RW.

Strome at a cap hit just north of $5m is a valuable asset. Especially when the cap will be going up in year 2-3 of his deal.

I really think the major issue with this team right now is the 3rd line. The team has improved based on improvements in goal, on defense and because the top forwards are performing, along with a better 4th line, but I see a glaring need to fill that line to fulfill a role.

I’m not saying that if I had a blank slate, Strome would be my 2C. But right now, I’m not seeing a way to upgrade at that position that makes any sense based on the cost.

I’ve said this before but someone needs to make a really strong case for this making any sense:

Strome (lost to UFA)
Lundkvist
Kravtsov
1st

for

Either Miller or Scheifele

How does that make any sense? Until I see a true upgrade I’m not utilizing those assets.

Which is why there is a group out here as well that is unwilling to move those pieces for JT miller and co.

It would be for a young cost controlled #2 center. If there is no other option i would go with strome but honestly i would be looking to make a bigger trade for someone like Larkin, Horvat, or whoever else may come up from now until the upcoming draft.

No matter what we have a serious cap crunch next year to be able to afford our guys and strome. So trades and so forth will have to be made. The buyout money is killing us.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I’ve given examples of recent contracts for centers that compare to Strome. RNH. Danault. Neither is at or really all that close to their cap hit being in the $6’s. $5.125-$5.5m. Get it done. The only concern is the trade protection.

Those contracts are both 6+ years and have extensive trade protections throughout the entirety of the deal. That’s the reason that their AAVs are so low.

Strome would get the same exact type of protection and probably cost more than both considering his production these last two years.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Good for long term trade possibilities!

The gift that keeps on giving.

 

[McRanger92]

That 1st or both 2nds are going to be gone at the deadline. I would not be shocked if all 3 are gone at the deadline. There is an abundance of young players in the organization. We will need ELCs, but I think there is enough there to get that done.

You have to think Berard is on his ELC soon. I think he makes this team whenever he decides to leave school, and if I'm Drury, I'm talking ATO to end the season in Hartford and ELC as soon as his year is over. Othmann and Cuylle are also going to be pushing for spots on this team next season. Both are players that can excel in lesser roles since they bring other things to the table.

I'm not trading any of the players in our top 10 prospects for a rental and of course current young players on the roster are off limits too. Korczak might also be my other exception since he is one of the few center prospects they have.

Losing the picks are more palatable with the system and the holes this team has down the stretch and in the future.

Im fine with trading any of our picks, weve made so many over the past 5 years theres too many bodies.

I also agree that the org will probably want Berard & Cuylle in HFD as soon as possible to marinate and be ready to take on bottom 6 roles as guys become too expensive. Othmann I think will definitely get the 9 games at the start of next season before they make a decision on what to do with him.

 

[pld459666]

getting PLD out of Wpg is a pipe dream and will never happen. Should they go in a rebuild mode, they have Connor, Ehlers, PLD and Perfetti as a start. PLD would be centering two of the other three at any given time. He's not likely to want out any time soon.

If I could get Mark Scheifele for three playoff runs, sign me up.

the chase for that long term asset like a PLD will have you never making a move because unless that player wants to come to NY, or the Rangers are ready, willing and able to part with Lafreniere or Kakko, we are not going to get a player like PLD.

identify the core, move the rest to get a #1 center that is on par with Mika in terms of ability, because that is what Scheifele is.

I'd offer the Jets any three of Chytil, Kravtsov, Lundqvist, Jones, (2022 1st or 2023 1st)

 

[McRanger92]

I don't know. I think it's definitely not going for a rental, we're not there yet.

The willingness they had to trade last years first makes me think they are extremely open to trading this years. It will be in the low to mid-20s anyway

 

[DialUp]

noonan, but hey some guys think he wasn't needed either...

Amonte would have scored 2 goals on that play.

 

[Lgrsean]

I just really don't love the idea of trading all of that for Miller and I don't think Vancouver will retain that much money when they are strapped for cap space as it is.

Although that at least perhaps starts to even things out

They wouldn't trade Miller if they were planning on competing next year, so I think it's likely they'll retain max in order to get the most futures possible.

I know a lot of rangers fans don't like the idea of buying high for a guy we sold low on, but a previous mistake shouldn't keep us away from the guy that fits our needs best. He's a PPG C with a left handed shot for PP1, he'd fit under the cap with Strome, and he has playoff experience. I don't see how we fit Kreider and/or Trouba in these longer term plans people are talking about when Igor and the young guys need to get paid and I don't think we will be definitely be more talented with their replacements than we are now by adding Miller. Even if we don't win a cup, the deep playoff runs this year and next will set help down the road.

 

[Ned Braden]

There’s plenty of reason to doubt. One win against the Panthers doesn’t erase the last two months.

Even looking at it optimistically they price is too high to pay to keep pace with clearly better teams in Carolina and Tampa. It’s a delusion. And will end up a waste.

You say a lot of ridiculous things - and oddly seem more convinced of yourself with every passing moment of being wrong - but this "last two months" kick you're now on is just weird. The Rangers went 17 - 9 over the last two months while dealing with covid and injuries to really good players. What the hell are you talking about?

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Chris Kreider All-Star Week Media Availability.

 

[mas0764]

You say a lot of ridiculous things - and oddly seem more convinced of yourself with every passing moment of being wrong - but this "last two months" kick you're now on is just weird. The Rangers went 17 - 9 over the last two months while dealing with covid and injuries to really good players. What the hell are you talking about?

Their horrific 5 v 5 numbers? Where have you been?

 

[McRanger92]

Chris Kreider All-Star Week Media Availability.

Everything about this guy screams Captain. The reason I think he doesn't wear the "C" is because he doesn't want it.

 

[smoneil]

If you get JT Miller at 50% retained, you can still sign Strome to a long term deal. So it's really more like:

Chytil, Lundkvist, Kravstov, 1st

for

JT Miller and whatever you can get for Chytil's rights in the offseason.

For the playoffs this year, you have a top 9 of CK/MZ/Chytil, Bread/Strome/Goodrow, Laf/Miller/Kakko. Miller adds his left handed shot to PP1 and Laf gets to play at his natural position next to a PPG C.

There's no reason to think that group with Fox and Igor in goal shouldn't have a deep playoff run that will benefit the young guys for the near future.

There is no way that Strome fits with Miller here, whether at 50% or otherwise. Strome is unlikely to fit even if they DON'T add salary to what they have right now. The salary cap exists, and this team is up against it. The only way Strome is back is if he leaves a HUGE pile of money at the door, or if they move Kreider or Trouba.

 

[McRanger92]

There is no way that Strome fits with Miller here, whether at 50% or otherwise. Strome is unlikely to fit even if they DON'T add salary to what they have right now. The salary cap exists, and this team is up against it. The only way Strome is back is if he leaves a HUGE pile of money at the door, or if they move Kreider or Trouba.

They wont have issues keeping Strome if he comes in at 5.5-6 AAV. Kakko will be lucky to get the Chytil bridge and the Blais injury will help keep his next contract in check. Barron replaces Rooney, and Chytil and/or Nemeth could be moved for more wiggle room.

 

[jay from jersey]

Hate to break it to people but this years 1st is almost definitely on the table for a rental. I'd imagine someone in the Robertson tier would be as well.

These are good problems to be faced with.

The 1st is almost certainly in play, as are a lot of other options for the right guy if there’s a deal to be made.
I’m absolutely not trading Robertson for a rental, that’s insane to me. He’s pretty much on par with Schneider as a prospect, just a little bit behind him developmentally. Schneider is pretty much done growing, Robertson still needs to fill out a bit, but talent wise, they were neck and neck in the same tier.
If Robertson is going in a package, it better be for a piece that’s coming back that we have for more then 1.5 years of control...
Imo Robertson is in that Othmann/berard/Cuylle tier of guys I’d rather not move unless the right deal/player is available.
Likely AMMo for the TDL imo is some mix or chytil, our 1st, Kravtsov, 2nds, maybe Lundkvist....
Obviously we’re not trading all of that, but those are the likely pieces at the TDL.
Summer/draft, pieces will be added once the picture is more clear.

schneider beat out Robertson by a hair for WHL D of the year, and Robertson has flashed high end skill in Hartford as well, just like Schneider was doing... he may be a year behind Schneider developmentally, but it’s crazy to me Robertson isn’t more valued by many on here as a top tier prospect....
We’re very spoiled on the blue line in terms of good young kids, but imo Robertson is held in very high regard by this org and many others who would love to add him.

 

[Krams]

Everything about this guy screams Captain. The reason I think he doesn't wear the "C" is because he doesn't want it.

I thought he has been the obvious choice since he signed his extension, but with all the talk going into pre-season about wanting to select a C prior to opening night and then it didn't happen, I came to the same conclusion. If it was going to be Chris, then I think he'd have it by now.

 

[Paul Padovano]

noonan, but hey some guys think he wasn't needed either...

I didn't catch what was being discussed before I asked this. Are you saying that those who are against rentals, must have been against the deadline acquisitions that were made in 94'?

 

[McRanger92]

I thought he has been the obvious choice since he signed his extension, but with all the talk going into pre-season about wanting to select a C prior to opening night and then it didn't happen, I came to the same conclusion. If it was going to be Chris, then I think he'd have it by now.

Whether hes got the letter on his jersey or not, he's receiving the Cup from Bettman if we're lucky enough to see it over the next 4-5 years.

 

[smoneil]

They wont have issues keeping Strome if he comes in at 5.5-6 AAV. Kakko will be lucky to get the Chytil bridge and the Blais injury will help keep his next contract in check. Barron replaces Rooney, and Chytil and/or Nemeth could be moved for more wiggle room.

Not going to get into it again, because I've had that argument on here before (possibly with you? I don't recall), but where it wound up is this: Yes, if EVERYTHING swings the right way (Strome taking a large discount, several players signing for the lowest end of their value, players either not opting for arbitration or opting for it and arbitration going the team's way, AND being able to move middling pieces like Nemeth without taking any salary back), it can happen. Call me skeptical, but I just don't see all of that happening. Possible? Yes. Probable? Not really. And I still think it would be foolish to punt Chytil at 22 years old (see my earlier comments about Justin Williams, who was discarded by Philly at that same age after three "disappointing" injury filled seasons).

 

[McRanger92]

Not going to get into it again, because I've had that argument on here before (possibly with you? I don't recall), but where it wound up is this: Yes, if EVERYTHING swings the right way (Strome taking a large discount, several players signing for the lowest end of their value, players either not opting for arbitration or opting for it and arbitration going the team's way, AND being able to move middling pieces like Nemeth without taking any salary back), it can happen. Call me skeptical, but I just don't see all of that happening. Possible? Yes. Probable? Not really. And I still think it would be foolish to punt Chytil at 22 years old (see my earlier comments about Justin Williams, who was discarded by Philly at that same age after three "disappointing" injury filled seasons).

Even if its not Strome, his replacement is going to come with some salary. The Rangers are going to squeeze the RFAs as much as they can . Chytil has potential (how much is up for debate) but the fact of the matter is hes on his 3rd coach and hasnt done much of anything in his 5 years in the organization. Hes also not on an ELC and the team is in a cap crunch. No one is saying "punt him" but if hes a cap casualty to fit players who are actually good (Strome/Kakko) so be it.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

The gift that keeps on giving.