Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIV

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It's about time they try Strome and Panarin away from each other for a more balanced lineup, especially with the deadline additions.

GG refuses to do it.

I'd like to see something like:

Panarin - Copp - Kakko
Kreider - Strome - Chytil
Laf - Zib- Vatrano
Motte - Rooney - Goodrow

Kreider - Copp - Goodrow might also be a nice defensive line with some oomph.

Each line has a kid (except the 4th), some offensive threats, and some hustle.

(NOTE: I have nothing better to do than throw out lineup after lineup.)

 

[haohmaru]

It's about time they try Strome and Panarin away from each other for a more balanced lineup, especially with the deadline additions.

GG refuses to do it.

I'd like to see something like:

Panarin - Copp - Kakko
Kreider - Strome - Chytil
Laf - Zib- Vatrano
Motte - Rooney - Goodrow

Kreider - Copp - Goodrow might also be a nice defensive line with some oomph.

Each line has a kid (except the 4th), some offensive threats, and some hustle.

(NOTE: I have nothing better to do than throw out lineup after lineup.)

Zibanejad on the 3rd line? L-O-EFFING-L

Add to that Kreiders 42 goals on the 2nd line separated from Zibanejad? No.

 

[RangersFan1994]

I think Motte gets some PK time. His speed would help. If it keeps Kreider and Mika fresh throughout the game, I don’t mind this at all.

 

[RangerBoy]

This article is from two years ago.

“I think Copper might be a centre, you know? He seems to thrive in the middle,” Wheeler said. “I remember talking after the season last year to a few people, I think he’s a centreman. He thrives in the middle. I think there’s a 200-foot element to his game. He makes a lot of really good plays, the little detailed plays that keep the puck moving in the right direction. Offensively, he’s getting more confidence with that puck and making some good plays.”

Maurice appreciates what Copp can do, no matter where he plays him.

“He’s just a really passionate hockey player,” Maurice said. “You look at his prep, his physical conditioning, his studying of the game, he’s wired in every night. His defensive game is impeccable. How much offense would he be able to generate? He’s worked on his offensive game. He’s worked on his hands. He’s got confidence in it now. Playing in the middle, I think for most guys, they all would rather (play centre) because they just touch the puck more.”

Andrew Copp is clutch for Jets: Versatile forward developing game and reputation

As the Jets move back into a wild-card position, the secondary scoring has been prevalent — and Copp has been right in the middle of it.

theathletic.com

I was watching the Hawks-Kings last night on ESPN+. Ray Ferraro was the analyst. Leah Hextall did the play by play. Ferraro was talking about Kirby Dash's struggles. The Hawks put him on the wing. Dach didn't like the wing. Ferraro said Dach is a very young guy. He is just 21 years old. Ray feels Dach will be a good matchup center. Kaapo Kakko is the same age.

Phillip Danault scored his 20th & 21st goals last night. First goal on the PP. Ferraro was raving about Danault. The Rangers tried to sign him last summer. That signing would have ended any chance of the Rangers keeping Strome beyond this season after signing Zibanejad and Fox.

Copp skated with Panarin and Strome yesterday. Copp isn't a RW. He has played LW.and C. Copp should get a significant look at center with Panarin.

 

[Chefrah54]

I don't know man. Laf does get bumped off the puck a bit, but he also throws a few nice hits here and there and makes strong plays on the boards as of late.

His game has been improving very steadily. I really wouldn't move him.

I agree , I wouldn't move him either, I'd rather him have his growing pains on the 1st line , where he belongs then any other line, sometimes though he looks like a new born deer trying to stay uppright, he needs to get stronger , it will come

 

[OrangePMD]

Add the most clutch playoff performer in KHL history and we can make a run in the playoffs

He isn't getting that kind of time and space in the NHL, espacially not in the playoffs.

 

[Peltz]

He isn't getting that kind of time and space in the NHL, espacially not in the playoffs.

Yep. Ridiculous amounts of open ice in that league. It’s really a different game.

 

[Doctyl]

Kreider-Zib-Laf
Panarin-Copp-Kakko
Chytil-Strome-Vatrano
Motte-Goodrow-Rooney/Hunt/Brodzinski/Reaves

please coach please

 

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Zibanejad on the 3rd line? L-O-EFFING-L

Add to that Kreiders 42 goals on the 2nd line separated from Zibanejad? No.

It's not 2000. Third line doesn't really mean third line. If you roll all 4 lines fairly equally, it doesn't really make a difference.

By that logic, shouldn't Panarin be on the first line?

 

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Kreider-Zib-Laf
Panarin-Copp-Kakko
Chytil-Strome-Vatrano
Motte-Goodrow-Rooney/Hunt/Brodzinski/Reaves

please coach please

Chytil and Laf also played well together in terms of xGF.

Panarin is the one with the tough chemistry going by some of the charts.

 

[haohmaru]

It's not 2000. Third line doesn't really mean third line. If you roll all 4 lines fairly equally, it doesn't really make a difference.

By that logic, shouldn't Panarin be on the first line?

Third line doesn't really mean third line? Huh.

Who are you matching your faux 3rd line against? The other team's faux 1st line? Zibajed is your best center, your best two way player, and your best guy on FO's. When Crosby's line is on the ice you're putting Copp out there? You've got your three highest scoring top 6 players playing on three different fantasy lines. It makes little sense other than making life more difficult for each of them.

I mean, I'm all for experimenting a little bit with all of these new pieces but Zibanejad to the "third line that's not the third line" is a bit much.

 

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Copp has won 53% (320/593)of his Faceoffs this year to Zib's 51%. If Copp matched up as the defensive center, I have no problem with that and would even argue it's desirable. Leaves Zib more offensive deployment opportunities.

Our offense isn't firing on all cylinders. Panarin, despite the points, has played like crap. GG can't decide what to do with Laf despite him finding success with Zib and Kreider. Kakko coming back from injury can change things up.

My entire point was that the personnel we have allows for a lot of lineup options, which is something we didn't have just a few weeks ago.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Just a week ago we had 3 top 6 wings, and chytil who was looking good in a 3rd line role.
Now we potentially have 4 top 6 wings (if copp stays on the wing), and a potential return with kakko, to give us 5-6 top 6 wingers.
This lets us figure out if maybe chytil can grab a top 6 role. This lets us see if Laf can start producing without mika and ck.

We're close to clinching the playoffs. Lets experiment now before the playoffs and find what works.

 

[NYR Viper]

Copp needs to be the answer at center. Be it 2 or 3C he needs to be a solution there.

 

[haohmaru]

Copp has won 53% (320/593)of his Faceoffs this year to Zib's 51%. If Copp matched up as the defensive center, I have no problem with that and would even argue it's desirable. Leaves Zib more offensive deployment opportunities.

Our offense isn't firing on all cylinders. Panarin, despite the points, has played like crap. GG can't decide what to do with Laf despite him finding success with Zib and Kreider. Kakko coming back from injury can change things up.

My entire point was that the personnel we have allows for a lot of lineup options, which is something we didn't have just a few weeks ago.

Meh, Copp was playing (and drawing) against 2nd and 3rd line centers and has 500+ less FO's taken than Zibanejad. As I've said elsewhere, I'd like to see a whole lot more of him before putting him in Zib's place. I'm not against having a look (for him and all the new faces) now as we march down the stretch.

Zibanejad is no slouch defensively and is matching up, most of the time, against the other team's best center. That might be a new role for Copp to a certain extent.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Meh, Copp was playing (and drawing) against 2nd and 3rd line centers and has 500+ less FO's taken than Zibanejad. As I've said elsewhere, I'd like to see a whole lot more of him before putting him in Zib's place. I'm not against having a look (for him and all the new faces) now as we march down the stretch.

Zibanejad is no slouch defensively and is matching up, most of the time, against the other team's best center. That might be a new role for Copp to a certain extent.

This season copp was on a much higher line, but previously he was the matchup center, I think especially during WPG's deeper runs.

 

[haohmaru]

This season copp was on a much higher line, but previously he was the matchup center, I think especially during WPG's deeper runs.

He moved up this year for sure with Scheifele not being his usual self and Statsny + injuries, etc... Still, not a guy I'd thrust into the #1 slot. I can't imagine how your 8+M extended contract #1 would react to being thrown down the lineup over a guy that's got half the points, and, frankly, half the resume that he does. Not a great message especially for a guy that's historically produced like crazy down the stretch.

 

[IDvsEGO]

He moved up this year for sure with Scheifele not being his usual self and Statsny + injuries, etc... Still, not a guy I'd thrust into the #1 slot. I can't imagine how your 8+M extended contract #1 would react to being thrown down the lineup over a guy that's got half the points, and, frankly, half the resume that he does. Not a great message especially for a guy that's historically produced like crazy down the stretch.

Im not saying move mika down for copp. Im saying give him some matchup minutes, but if you have a pure matchup guy, and a guy like mika, space them out so that smothers the other team.

 

[Richard Banger]

He moved up this year for sure with Scheifele not being his usual self and Statsny + injuries, etc... Still, not a guy I'd thrust into the #1 slot. I can't imagine how your 8+M extended contract #1 would react to being thrown down the lineup over a guy that's got half the points, and, frankly, half the resume that he does. Not a great message especially for a guy that's historically produced like crazy down the stretch

There is nothing wrong with giving Copp all the tough matchups and letting Mika feast on the lesser. Most of the coaches in the playoffs try to get their offensive Centers away from those type of matchups. Gallant should be doing the same.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

It's about time they try Strome and Panarin away from each other for a more balanced lineup, especially with the deadline additions.

GG refuses to do it.

I'd like to see something like:

Panarin - Copp - Kakko
Kreider - Strome - Chytil
Laf - Zib- Vatrano
Motte - Rooney - Goodrow

Kreider - Copp - Goodrow might also be a nice defensive line with some oomph.

Each line has a kid (except the 4th), some offensive threats, and some hustle.

(NOTE: I have nothing better to do than throw out lineup after lineup.)

That first maybe the most balanced line I've ever seen, lol.

Mika wont be playing "3rd" line. I'd actually flip him and Strome. Not that this will ever happen. But I like the concept.

When Kreider was extended I felt he would ultimately be on the 3rd line, sooner rather than later. But then he just went off and scored 40+ on us.

Good problem to have, but it will likely keep him at the top of the lineup for at least another year or two. 5 on 5, he should really be on the 3rd to balance things out, but since hes on PP1, they want to keep him and Mika as a combo to balance the minutes. If he keeps producing on the PP at an historic rate, he will continue to be at the top of the lineup for that reason

 

[haohmaru]

There is nothing wrong with giving Copp all the tough matchups and letting Mika feast on the lesser. Most of the coaches in the playoffs try to get their offensive Centers away from those type of matchups. Gallant should be doing the same.

Nah, Mika is our best 200' player. He's a PPG C matching up against the opposition's best. I don't shuffle him around unless I've got a Selke candidate at 2 or 3C. Which we don't.

 

[Richard Banger]

Nah, Mika is our best 200' player. He's a PPG C matching up against the opposition's best. I don't shuffle him around unless I've got a Selke candidate at 2 or 3C. Which we don't.

Nah, Copp was part of one of the nastiest shutdown lines a few playoffs back. I love Mika but Copp is the better defensive center hands down.

 

[haohmaru]

Nah, Copp was part of one of the nastiest shutdown lines a few playoffs back. I love Mika but Copp is the better defensive center hands down.

I haven't seen enough of him to have a qualified perspective on that. I'll need to see over the next few games.

 

[Trxjw]

Copp needs to be the answer at center. Be it 2 or 3C he needs to be a solution there.

He should be the solution at 3C if he fits and we can afford his next deal. Goodrow - Copp - Blais could be a hell of a 3rd line, with Othmann stepping into Goodrow's spot in time.

Ditch Strome and move Chytil to 2C. Give him a real shot. If he doesn't work then the worst case scenario is you have Copp between Panarin and Kakko until you can find something better.

 

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Kakko and Rooney skating on their own that's great news.