Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIV

[duhmetreE]

can we get a Triple Play discount?

Vatrano, Copp and Motte combo deal?

 

[CommaSynapse]

can we get a Triple Play discount?

Vatrano, Copp and Motte combo deal?

How much are we expecting Motte to cost?

 

[duhmetreE]

How much are we expecting Motte to cost?

I'm guessing around 1.5M+

it's a lot for a team cap strapped like us.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

How much are we expecting Motte to cost?

It was reported he wants 2 milly a year and that’s why Vancouver got rid of him

 

[EdJovanovski]

It was reported he wants 2 milly a year and that’s why Vancouver got rid of him

He might take less to play here than Vancouver. Much better team, he’s got a lot of close friends, much more fun city and less Canadian media microscope, and he is an American.

 

[bl02]

It was reported he wants 2 milly a year and that’s why Vancouver got rid of him

Unfortunately, will be too much. Probably should have gave a 6th dman 1.5 million instead of 2.5 to Nemeth. Or just signed Nemeth for a one year deal. Oh well.

 

[NYR Viper]

Both Copp and Motte should be given long deals. Keep the cap hits down. It’s distinctly possible that the deals could look like:

Copp
6 years at $4.8m per season

Motte
5 years at $1.75m

Vatrano is an interesting one. He’s a water-bug guy who can really play anywhere in a lineup. He attacks the middle of the ice well and uses his speed as well. If he’s take something reasonable I’d be interesting in signing him as well honestly.

I’d have to play around with capfriendly to see how this would all work. Nemeth, Georgiev and Strome would all be gone.

Kaako would need to take a smaller cap hit bridge for this season as well.

 

[bl02]

Both Copp and Motte should be given long deals. Keep the cap hits down. It’s distinctly possible that the deals could look like:

Copp
6 years at $4.8m per season

Motte
5 years at $1.75m

Vatrano is an interesting one. He’s a water-bug guy who can really play anywhere in a lineup. He attacks the middle of the ice well and uses his speed as well. If he’s take something reasonable I’d be interesting in signing him as well honestly.

I’d have to play around with capfriendly to see how this would all work. Nemeth, Georgiev and Strome would all be gone.

Kaako would need to take a smaller cap hit bridge for this season as well.

Are we buying Nemeth out? Georgiev And Strome for sure off the books.
Hopefully 4-5 years at no more than 5 million per for Copp.
Would love to have Vatrano and Mott back but realistically we are gonna need young guys in a couple of years like Berard and Cuylle to take those spots.

 

[NYR Viper]

Are we buying Nemeth out? Georgiev And Strome for sure off the books.
Hopefully 4-5 years at no more than 5 million per for Copp.
Would love to have Vatrano and Mott back but realistically we are gonna need young guys in a couple of years like Berard and Cuylle to take those spots.

Signing those guys doesn’t preclude trades to open slots in a couple of years.

 

[mas0764]

Third line doesn't really mean third line? Huh.

Who are you matching your faux 3rd line against? The other team's faux 1st line? Zibajed is your best center, your best two way player, and your best guy on FO's. When Crosby's line is on the ice you're putting Copp out there? You've got your three highest scoring top 6 players playing on three different fantasy lines. It makes little sense other than making life more difficult for each of them.

I mean, I'm all for experimenting a little bit with all of these new pieces but Zibanejad to the "third line that's not the third line" is a bit much.

Re arrange the order they were typed out, and put the Kreider line third. Problem solved.

 

[mas0764]

Copp needs to be the answer at center. Be it 2 or 3C he needs to be a solution there.

Would be interested at getting Copp in the $4m range if we could trade for a young, cost controlled 2C. Then Copp is an expensive 3C but we have time while the kid is cheap before the cap goes up.

 

[NYR Viper]

Would be interested at getting Copp in the $4m range if we could trade for a young, cost controlled 2C. Then Copp is an expensive 3C but we have time while the kid is cheap before the cap goes up.

The nice thing with Copp is that even if they find a good young C, he can be a 2B based on special teams. And with the cap increasing eventually substantially, term is a good thing as a number in the $4’s will be closer to a 3rd line cap hit anyways

 

[haohmaru]

Re arrange the order they were typed out, and put the Kreider line third. Problem solved.

Kreider, 44 goals, 3rd line. Got it.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I would very much like to move Reaves $1.75MM contract for next season and replace it with Motte.

 

[haohmaru]

Are we buying Nemeth out? Georgiev And Strome for sure off the books.
Hopefully 4-5 years at no more than 5 million per for Copp.
Would love to have Vatrano and Mott back but realistically we are gonna need young guys in a couple of years like Berard and Cuylle to take those spots.

No more buyouts, please. We're -3.5M next year because of buyouts already.

Move Nemeth and add a late pick if you have to to move him.

 

[mas0764]

goals, 3rd line. Got it.

Apparently you don't got it. As explained to you, it's not the third line. It's simply a rebalancing of who plays with who to get the best results across the board.

This isn't NHL 2021 where you just slot in the highest rated guys on the first line.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Kreider, 44 goals, 3rd line. Got it.

He's had this fantasy about moving Kreider to the 3rd line all year. Never mind that he's having a great year, is essentially the captain of the team, works very well with Zibs, is close to scoring 50 goals. The first line has been their best line all year so let's break them up. Brilliant.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Apparently you don't got it. As explained to you, it's not the third line. It's simply a rebalancing of who plays with who to get the best results across the board.

This isn't NHL 2021 where you just slot in the highest rated guys on the first line.

No. Apparently you don't get it.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Move Nemeth and Reaves frees up $4.25MM. Kakko honestly shouldn't get more than $2.5MM for 2 years on a bridge. The player likely wouldn't want a longer term contract due to his injury recently and play overall so far in his NHL career. From the Rangers perspective he hasn't earned more money than the $2.5MM.

Those moves should allow the Rangers to sign Copp and Motte and still have some cap flexibility.

Look to make a hockey trade for a young center prospect in exchange for a defensive prospect let that player develop on the 3rd line.

 

[GAGLine]

He's had this fantasy about moving Kreider to the 3rd line all year. Never mind that he's having a great year, is essentially the captain of the team, works very well with Zibs, is close to scoring 50 goals. The first line has been their best line all year so let's break them up. Brilliant.

It matters much more who players play with than which line they are on. Kreider is 5th on the team among forwards in TOI per game at even strength, at 14:11. Goodrow is 8th at 13:54.

Being on the 3rd line wouldn't affect Kreider's PP or PK time, and he could get relatively the same EV time. The big difference, again, is who he is playing with. If he's playing with Chytil instead of Mika, yeah, that would be a big impact to his numbers.

Kreider had 20 goals and 30 points in 50 games last year. 11 of his 20 goals were on the PP, and 14 of his 30 points. People wanted to get Laf and Kakko into the top 6. It wasn't unreasonable to suggest dropping Kreider to the 3rd line at even strength as he would still be on the #1 PP.

Obviously that's not going to happen now, and no one is suggesting it, but no one saw this season coming from him. So can we stop with the "but Kreider is a 3rd line player" comments? He's having a great year. Let's just enjoy it.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Move Nemeth and Reaves frees up $4.25MM. Kakko honestly shouldn't get more than $2.5MM for 2 years on a bridge. The player likely wouldn't want a longer term contract due to his injury recently and play overall so far in his NHL career. From the Rangers perspective he hasn't earned more money than the $2.5MM.

Those moves should allow the Rangers to sign Copp and Motte and still have some cap flexibility.

Look to make a hockey trade for a young center prospect in exchange for a defensive prospect let that player develop on the 3rd line.

I'm onboard with moving Nemeth but I think Reaves plays an important role as an enforcer/deterrent. I think many underestimate what he has meant to the team plus he's a good locker room guy. Tough guys like Wilson, Martin, etc have been very quiet this year.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

It matters much more who players play with than which line they are on. Kreider is 5th on the team among forwards in TOI per game at even strength, at 14:11. Goodrow is 8th at 13:54.

Being on the 3rd line wouldn't affect Kreider's PP or PK time, and he could get relatively the same EV time. The big difference, again, is who he is playing with. If he's playing with Chytil instead of Mika, yeah, that would be a big impact to his numbers.

Kreider had 20 goals and 30 points in 50 games last year. 11 of his 20 goals were on the PP, and 14 of his 30 points. People wanted to get Laf and Kakko into the top 6. It wasn't unreasonable to suggest dropping Kreider to the 3rd line at even strength as he would still be on the #1 PP.

Obviously that's not going to happen now, and no one is suggesting it, but no one saw this season coming from him. So can we stop with the "but Kreider is a 3rd line player" comments? He's having a great year. Let's just enjoy it.

That was my point really. Kreider, besides having a great year, has been playing with Zibs for years and it is not even debatable that has been their best line. Why would you mess with that chemistry? It makes no sense and BTW there are still people suggesting Kreider should be moved to the 3rd line.

 

[duhmetreE]

I would very much like to move Reaves $1.75MM contract for next season and replace it with Motte.

I know people here don't like Reaves for what he brings and he is somewhat over paid... but he neutralizes the other team just by existing.

Pittsburgh had a lot more purse swinging last night without Reavo on the ice. It's human nature.

 

[GAGLine]

That was my point really. Kreider, besides having a great year, has been playing with Zibs for years and it is not even debatable that has been their best line. Why would you mess with that chemistry? It makes no sense.

It doesn't make NO sense. There was some logic behind it. You may not have agreed with that logic, but you can at least acknowledge the thought process and understand how people came to that conclusion.

If people were suggesting we drop Kreider to the 3rd line to put Gauthier with Zib, you'd have a point. But people suggested it because they wanted Laf up there, a very recent 1st overall pick, and they believed it would result in a more balanced lineup. All year we've been trying to find a way to make the 3rd line more productive. Who's to say it wouldn't have been with Kreider on it? The Laf-Chytil-Gauthier line produced far below their expected goal totals. If Kreider were on that line and Laf bumped up, maybe they would have produced a lot more. Maybe Laf would have produced a lot more by now playing the whole year with Zib, at his natural LW spot.

We don't know and we'll never know. Regardless, no one is going to suggest that switch now, no matter how much they want to see Laf in the top 6. But at the time, before Kreider channeled his inner Ovi, the idea had merit.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I know people here don't like Reaves for what he brings and he is somewhat over paid... but he neutralizes the other team just by existing.

Pittsburgh had a lot more purse swinging last night without Reavo on the ice. It's human nature.

I get it and I agree, but paying someone $1.75MM to not be a regular player for a team that is going to be cap crunched next season doesn't make sense.

There is almost zero fighting in the playoffs so a deterrence really isn't needed then. Games are physical yes but teams don't want to risk taking too many penalties in the playoffs.