Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIV

[ThirdEye]

Regarding Copp's playoff numbers, context matters. 16 of his 34 playoff games were in 2017-18. He only played 10:36 at even strength in those games, 11th most among forwards. The following year, he had 5 points in 6 games, and then 2 points in 4 games the next. Last year he only had 2 points in 8 games. Those 2 points came in the first round sweep of Edmonton. He had no points against Montreal, but his entire team only scored 6 goals in 4 games.

Rakell has less points than Copp and doesn't play center. How is he worth more?

Rakell gets a larger amount of PP time with respect to the rest of his team (3rd most, whereas Copp is 7th most on Winnipeg). Despite that, they both have 9 PP points this year. Copp (56 games) plays 14:54 at even strength and has 24 points. Rakell (51 games) plays 15:47 at even strength and has 19 points.

Copp plays on the PK. He's 2nd most on his team in PK ice time per game, and the most among forwards. Copp takes faceoffs. 578 total (4th most on the team) with a 54% win rate. Rakell has taken 74 faceoffs and has won 44.6% of them.

Whether Copp is the answer to our 2C problem is up for debate, but he's easily worth more than Rakell.

Hadn't realized the extent of his usage on the PK and faceoff prowess, thanks for bringing that to light. Think that sways me a bit since we suck at FO's and adding another competent PK'er should solidify us as one of the best in the league in that regard.

 

[mas0764]

It’s laughable that some here are worried about trading 2 second round picks for a guy like Copp who can really help. The Rangers haven’t made a useful 2nd round pick in a decade and the people who don’t want to trade them will be the first to bring it up

Matthew Robertson?

 

[rangers1314]

Chris Johnson says Caps looking to bring back Marcus Johannson

 

[mas0764]

I don't care about 2nd round picks, I'd prefer to use them in a deal for someone who will be here past this season though.

Exactly.

 

[duhmetreE]

Rutherford can't help himself. He needs to make trades.

It's time to come back home JTM...

 

[tors10s]

Is there a way to watch TSN's Tradecentre from Germany?

 

[rangersfansince08]

If they are interested in resigning Copp I'd be ok with two seconds and a B prospect.

 

[mas0764]

I am souring on 55...so I keep Robertson and have him apprentice next year with Trouba. Move KAM up with Fox.

Agree, don’t know that Lindgren will get another contract after this extension is up. I’m not dealing any defensive prospect for a rental. Period.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Rutherford can't help himself. He needs to make trades.

It's time to come back home JTM...

Unless Drury suddenly is okay with moving Schneider, the chances of Miller being back here are close to zero

 

[mas0764]

I feel like we’re all afraid for the Rangers to go all in because we keep expecting the wheels to fall off this season. Just when it looks like that was going to happen they grind out back to back wins against legitimate cup contenders.

If they get Rakell or Copp and get Kakko and Rooney back that’s suddenly a really solid forward group.

I don’t understand how the cost for Copp is second round picks but Rackell is firsts and Lundkvist.

Copp is a better player.

Edit: sorry I quoted the wrong post.

 

[mas0764]

I'd be pissed if they give up more than a 2nd and middling prospect for Copp if they decide to go that route. His production is wholly unimpressive for someone who plays nearly 20 min a game. And his 3 goals in 30+ playoff games is not inspiring confidence that he will be any kind of difference maker for us.

Rakell would be the better add but I can't see him costing anything less than a 1st + Nils/Kravtsov/Jones

Was trying to quote this post! See above

 

[mas0764]

For the moment (obviously will know by 3pm), it looks like Drury was outclassed by the other GMs. Yes Vatrano was a nice little piece but with all our cap space and assets, thats all you can get for a team that needs to stabilize the depth in the lineup? Rakell is the clear top piece out there right now. Go get him. This team can make a run at the Cup THIS year. Go for it.

That said I'd be ok at some form of Copp, Domi, Lehkonen.

Drury gets an A from me so far for his restraint.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Did i miss something? Why is Edge not here anymore?

 

[mas0764]

What would the cost of Gourde with 50% retention be? Chytil, Kravtsov, Nils, 1st? Would you guys do that?

No.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Copp is getting moved for sure today with them re acquiring Appleton today

 

[egelband]

Did i miss something? Why is Edge not here anymore?

I’ve been wondering too. I hope all is well. I miss him.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Our needs currently are a bottom pair LD and maybe a Chytil trade that gets us someone more comfortable in his role.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I would still love to try and get Hayton from Arizona.

 

[Machinehead]

What would the cost of Gourde with 50% retention be? Chytil, Kravtsov, Nils, 1st? Would you guys do that?

I would

 

[Tob]

Drury gets an A from me so far for his restraint.

I agree but with Lundkvist and Kravtsov legitimately shopped around for obvious reasons for months now, could there be a test for Drury in the next 6 hours?

Gorton's stinker as GM was when he was faced down the deadline to move players the organization had deemed to be absolutely necessary to move ASAP.

Drury should have more rare mineral hands than Gorton but we'll see.

 

[NYR Viper]

Can someone do a deep dive on a comparison between Copp and Strome? I can do the p/60, corsi for, etc but I don't have a good way of comparing linemates.

My main concern with Copp is that he plays A TON of minutes, close to 20 minutes a game, and his point totals are not fantastic. To put it in perspective, He plays more time (not by much, but still...) than Panarin on average. What happens if his minutes drop?

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Did i miss something? Why is Edge not here anymore?

I am not sure but I know there were some posters that were being less than nice to him. Wouldn't be shocked if he decided it wasn't worth the hassle anymore.

 

[Ola]

it was going fine until you brought up Slewban

Haha, at least nobody can accuse me of fishing for likes...

Seriously though, our 3rd pairing isn't good enough. Nemeth cannot take a lot of responsibility. Schneider plays great and has all the tools necessary to become a good top 4. But, will he be consistent for the reminder of the year? Given that this already is a D pairing that is struggling too much, I wouldn't bet on it. Chicago won a cup with 4 Ds and Pittsburgh came close, but I think we must have a 3rd pairing that can play to compete. Any pairing facing a Washington, Tampa, Carolina and co in the POs will be challenged very hard. Can Schneider-Nemeth handle that?

Nobody else can afford Subban, right? I am assuming we could get him for like the Vatrano cost plus a little bit.

I want Subban because it would enable Zac Jones to play. We just don't have the puck enough. Zac Jones can contribute the most to that. Zac Jones gets into the zone at times and just executes. He has the potential to help the most. Subban is experienced and won't collapse under heavy pressure. Brings a little intangibles too. If Zac Jones proves not to be up for the task, Subban can play with Nemeth too.

What other RD can we get that can take a big role on a 3rd pairing?

 

[ThirdEye]

Was trying to quote this post! See above

Original thinking was that Rackell is a bit more established and has been a better producer over the course of his career (once almost hitting a PPG). His output this season hasn't been amazing but he's still only 28.

I rushed to judgement basically not taking into consideration that whatever Copp lacks on the production front he seems to make up for it in other ways.

 

[Miller1983]

Did i miss something? Why is Edge not here anymore?

He was driven away by some angry, immature butt holes. Some people don’t understand the concept that a rumor can be true and at the same time, not happen.