Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIV

[bleedblue94]

This plus Kaapo saying "I can play on any line but I like playing with Panarin and Stromer"

It's almost like we should just let our 1OA and 2OA play with top 6 talent.

This is hilarious, earlier in the year everyone pines for kk to be taken away from panarin and strome bc he deferred to them too much and people wanted him with zib, now it no no no kk belongs w panarin and strome how do this idiot coaches not know that.

I also have no idea why people are acting like laf played some great game yesterday. He was simply not as bad as normal, yay? If this kid wants to play with two all stars then he needs to keep moving his feet instead of standing around with the puck most of the time.

 

[n8]

Do we have cap space (including any RFA resignings) to make splashy very short term UFA signings in the summer?
Ex. Malkin or Bergeron @ 1 year $7M

 

[Crease]

Do we have cap space (including any RFA resignings) to make splashy very short term UFA signings in the summer?
Ex. Malkin or Bergeron @ 1 year $7M

Not unless they replace Strome and Blais with league-minimum players.

 

[duhmetreE]

Laf-Chytil-Gauthier is quite literally my least favorite Rangers line in terms of chemistry since MSL-Brassard-Zuccarello

It just don't work.

The only player I've ever liked with Chytil is Kakko.

 

[CLW]

If Strome prices himself out of here and they're not gonna look at Chytil in the 2 spot my little under the radar vote is to go back to St Louis in the summer and try to pry Barbashev out of there. He's someone I mentioned a couple years ago who's been buried over there for a bit. Russian kid you could plug next to Panarin with some skill but plays a solid 2 way game. W or C, physical, PKs, little bit of PP time this year. We're starting to see some of the talent he has getting a bunch of minutes centering Buch and Tarasenko. I don't think it'll cost an arm & a leg to nab him and I think his next contract will be super affordable.

The Blues are loaded with talent they're gonna run into some good problems shortly. They have O'Reilly, Tarasenko, Thomas, Kyrou, and Barbashev expiring next year. Perron this year. They're committed to Schenn long term (NTC and length gotta assume he's not getting moved), Buch and Saad are locked up but movable... safe to assume they're gonna lock up O'Reilly and get Kyrou & Thomas long term on big $. They'll have 3 good centers locked up... plenty of top 6 talent that I'm not sure Barbashev will be enough of a priority (if they can even afford it in 2 seasons) that you couldn't pluck him out of there

I like your thinking. Drury should keep his powder dry and head cool until he finds his preferred solutions. There will be opportunities sooner or later, and he'll find himself on the other side of a "Buch" trade.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The only player I've ever liked with Chytil is Kakko.

Kreider and Chytil has always worked.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Poor Laf going from playing with 2 all stars to 2 Stevie Wonders out there. And furthermore, Gauthier wouldn’t even be able to score at a Harvey Weinstein premiere.

 

[CLW]

This is hilarious, earlier in the year everyone pines for kk to be taken away from panarin and strome bc he deferred to them too much and people wanted him with zib, now it no no no kk belongs w panarin and strome how do this idiot coaches not know that.

I also have no idea why people are acting like laf played some great game yesterday. He was simply not as bad as normal, yay? If this kid wants to play with two all stars then he needs to keep moving his feet instead of standing around with the puck most of the time.

I actually suggested moving Hunt (he was not bad back then) up to play with Panarin and Strome and move Kakko up with Kreider and Zib (sorry!). *But*... that was after the first Vancouver away game and the fiasco of the first the West coast trip. Then... Gallant "showed Panarin some tape" and got him to stop being Perimeter Panarin and "buy in" and things fell into place for that line. And then... GG moved Kakko up to get Zib line going. (Argh.) But at least Zib got going finally.

 

[bleedblue94]

I mean not in the way it really could be used.
We can theoretically take on a big expiring contract, but we’re not gonna be the third time and turn cap space into a 1st.

Why not? If we can turn that acquired 1st into an assets that helps us?

 

[bleedblue94]

I actually suggested moving Hunt (he was not bad back then) up to play with Panarin and Strome and move Kakko up with Kreider and Zib (sorry!). *But*... that was after the first Vancouver away game and the fiasco of the first the West coast trip. Then... Gallant "showed Panarin some tape" and got him to stop being Perimeter Panarin and "buy in" and things fell into place for that line. And then... GG moved Kakko up to get Zib line going. (Argh.) But at least Zib got going finally.

I think a big part of zib going was h moving back to his trigger spot on the left side of the pp. He is a massive confidence player, and when he has it his legs are moving. So cenhes gotten back to his pp spot and has been ripping onetimers the rest of his game has elevated.

Regardless, there is an issue when we are looking at 20 and 21 yearolds to get 30 vets going. The vets should be the ones making life easier for the kids, not the other way around.

 

[CLW]

I think a big part of zib going was h moving back to his trigger spot on the left side of the pp. He is a massive confidence player, and when he has it his legs are moving. So cenhes gotten back to his pp spot and has been ripping onetimers the rest of his game has elevated.

Regardless, there is an issue when we are looking at 20 and 21 yearolds to get 30 vets going. The vets should be the ones making life easier for the kids, not the other way around.

Yup.

 

[haohmaru]

Georgiev has a save percentage of like .940 while Igor was hurt. Not saying Georgiev is awesome. But it’s hard to ask for much better than that.

And Kinkaid's was .935...

In any event, his body of work this season is borderline not even an NHL backup. Did he have a good stretch when Igor was out? Absolutely. Is that because he knew he was starting? Maybe. It's pretty clear, though, that this isn't a role that he's excelling in and it's also pretty clear with stats like he has and the rest of the contract that he does, that he's not going to bring a whole lot back in a trade.

I'm not sure what the answer is but I wish he had a better attitude about it. His time will come - probably elsewhere, but he'll start someplace in the NHL at some point soon. Time to part ways this summer.

 

[haohmaru]

You are selling both at the absolute lowest you can sell them for, which is a terrible idea.

Kravtsov isn't making the sell low thing any easier by running home and playing in the KHL. Not to beat a dead horse to death again, but both he and the Rangers dropped the ball and the destruction is mutual. He would've had another 10-20 NHL games under his belt by now.

That being said, if he refuses to play for the Rangers, or the Pack, ever again then his value will probably never be a whole lot higher.

Chytil, though, is a head scratcher. He's not a guy I move now because, as you state above, his value is in the toilet.

 

[duhmetreE]

If you asked me in the pre-season who our top finishers were, Chytil was definitely in the conversation

With every injury the kid slowly disintegrates. What does he look like in Playoff Hockey?

 

[rangers1314]

And Kinkaid's was .935...

In any event, his body of work this season is borderline not even an NHL backup. Did he have a good stretch when Igor was out? Absolutely. Is that because he knew he was starting? Maybe. It's pretty clear, though, that this isn't a role that he's excelling in and it's also pretty clear with stats like he has and the rest of the contract that he does, that he's not going to bring a whole lot back in a trade.

I'm not sure what the answer is but I wish he had a better attitude about it. His time will come - probably elsewhere, but he'll start someplace in the NHL at some point soon. Time to part ways this summer.

That .935 is from one game this season, which I believe was against AZ. So, throw that out the window.

What you said above is correct, and reflects what I think most fans think of Geo which is "he played well when Igor was out, but before that he was bad. It's an area the team can, and should, look to improve on". We know they felt the same way b/c of the reports that he was nearly traded before Igor went out.

The problem with the Geo discussion is that rather than simply looking at it from a performance based perspective, there are a ton of people around here who loathe him b/c they blame him for the dismissal of their hero Tony D. Ignoring all the surrounding issues, Geo is the reason their boy is gone. A prime example was the CBJ game. If the team had given that effort in front of Hank/Igor, it would have been seen for what it was, which was a pathetic and disjointed defensive effort. Multiple goals where guys were just left totally alone in front of the net. But since Geo was in net, it was all on him. It's so easy to see through the bullshit.

It's the same people who think the Rangers "chose" Hajek over Kravtsov.

 

[Kovalev27]

My main point regarding that cap space tweet was that there may not be a lot of teams that can play in the deep end at the deadline. We may not have a whole bunch of competition for pieces we want

 

[Kovalev27]

That .935 is from one game this season, which I believe was against AZ. So, throw that out the window.

What you said above is correct, and reflects what I think most fans think of Geo which is "he played well when Igor was out, but before that he was bad. It's an area the team can, and should, look to improve on". We know they felt the same way b/c of the repots that he was nearly traded before Igor went out.

The problem with the Geo discussion is that rather than simply looking at it from a performance based perspective, there are a ton of people around here who loathe him b/c they blame him for the dismissal of their hero Tony D. Ignoring all the surrounding issues, Geo is the reason their boy is gone. It's the same people who think the Rangers "chose" Hajek over Kravtsov.

georgieve has a .898 save percentage this year. Stop

 

[mas0764]

This is going to be a big advantage for us come trade deadline day

1) we can't use up all $30m, so take back salary in exchange for picks no matter what else we do, and

2) The league really needs to solve this. A hard cap is simply not going to work. Constant turnover is terrible for the sport.

 

[MrAlmost]

I am interested to see what Minnesota does. They just resigned Greenway, but have an absolute mountain of dead cap for the next 3 years. Am I reading it wrong. It looks pretty bad.

 

[duhmetreE]

1) we can't use up all $30m, so take back salary in exchange for picks no matter what else we do, and

2) The league really needs to solve this. A hard cap is simply not going to work. Constant turnover is terrible for the sport.

An extreme Luxury Tax until escrow is paid off. For each $1 over.

 

[rangers1314]

georgieve has a .898 save percentage this year. Stop

Right, I acknowledged he was awful to start the season.

Since 12/1, over his last 13 starts, .913 save % with a 2.55 GAA.

Sorry the numbers don't serve your narrative.

Again, people around here watch this team and seriously say to themselves, "you know what their issue is? Their backup goalie".

 

[Thirty One]

I am interested to see what Minnesota does. They just resigned Greenway, but have an absolute mountain of dead cap for the next 3 years. Am I reading it wrong. It looks pretty bad.

You are reading it right. It's bad.

 

[haohmaru]

2) The league really needs to solve this. A hard cap is simply not going to work. Constant turnover is terrible for the sport.

It wasn't SO bad until the pandemic/attendence/etc... issues.

Really, there should be a luxury tax on clubs that go above the cap to a certain factor and funnel that money back to teams that are in bad shape. The Rangers, Leafs, Bruins, etc... can all afford to pay higher than the cap.

The hard cap also really punishes teams that draft high and/or well. Sooner or later you can't afford all of the talent that you've accumulated through good scouting, etc... It's a shame all of the turnover that you mention above.

And, with all of this being said, the clubs themselves are also responsible for this. If you're creating a market with $11 million dollar players on a 21-22 man roster then you're going to get hurt sooner or later.

 

[haohmaru]

Right, I acknowledged he was awful to start the season.

Since 12/1, over his last 13 starts, .913 save % with a 2.55 GAA.

Sorry the numbers don't serve your narrative.

Again, people around here watch this team and seriously say to themselves, "you know what their issue is? Their backup goalie".

And, in January, he's .891 and 3.21

See what I did there? Selective stats to suit my narrative just like you did above - which is why we should look at the whole body of work, not timelines that make him look better or worse for whatever we're talking about.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

And, in January, he's .891 and 3.21

See what I did there? Selective stats to suit my narrative just like you did above - which is why we should look at the whole body of work, not timelines that make him look better or worse for whatever we're talking about.

I think at the end of the day, Geo isn't comfortable being a backup. When he's been the starter, he's looked okay to decent.

He's clearly never going to be the starter here, so he's best served to get traded at some point.