Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIV

[LokiDog]

I think it's poor management to have Laffy with Chytil/Gauthier for so long. These guys needs some guidance. Put them with vet leadership which can only help. That line is not a 3rd line, it's a weak 2nd line on a terrible team. All good teams do have a strong top9 but they all don't play the same style game. We need an effective 3rd line that plays simple/physical/cycle hockey.

Our 5v5 has not been good. Our big boys are having major success on Special Teams, where our depth get 20-30 seconds a PP after a clear. ( pointing to their total PP time is terribly out of context to what opportunites they actually receive. ) I don't want our bottom6 to be playing a high skill offensive game. I'd prefer the smashmouth, physical grind down the opposing team. Get the puck behind them and go to work. Having Chytil and Laf ( along with a Gauthier ) together on the 3rd line destroys the teams balance IMO.

We need players to be put in their 'roles' and be put in position to succeed. I LOVE Hunt Rooney Reaves. Have no clue why it was broken up. They serve their purpose/role tremendously.

Sadly, Turk had the right lineup from season start. We just need to add a player like Lekhonen to balance out the 3rd.

Laffy Zibs Kreider
Panarin Strome Kakko
Lekhonen Goodrow Chytil
Hunt Rooney Reaves

Our defense is part of the problem when it comes to getting the puck out or transition. Jones-Schneider need to be our 3rd pair. There's no excuses anymore besides poor management.

Are they going to be patient with KAM? who's an absolute wild-card right now. I think he will also benefit from the break. Or is he turned into a Chychrun?

Let's remember a lot of these guys have not played this much hockey before, in their entire existence. With our insane travel schedule and condensed game schedule, the wheels are starting to come off. Is Gallant going too easy on them? He's stated at the beginning of the year, he would because of the crazy scheduling. Did it work early on and now it's turning for the worse? The team is running on fumes and it definitely looks like it

I agree with this. Opening night lines and live with the growing pains. Grab a third line guy to play where Blais would be. Maybe two because I don’t really believe in Chytil anymore. Otherwise, unless you’re making a move for the long term health of the team, do nothing.

At the same time, like you said, it worked early and the team played “for” each other more often than we’ve seen in past years. They look gassed, but they seem to like Turk and be more bought in and in better spirits. The break could be huge for us.

 

[TominNC]

This board hated the 2016-17 group but imagine this roster plays like with depth scoring. They'd still find something to criticize.

If it’s not the results it’s the style or the coach or the “likability” of some players. The PP is depended on too much or we don’t score enough on the PP. Or we’re reliant on the goalie, as if he’s not wearing the same sweater.

 

[TominNC]

I agree with this. Opening night lines and live with the growing pains. Grab a third line guy to play where Blais would be. Maybe two because I don’t really believe in Chytil anymore. Otherwise, unless you’re making a move for the long term health of the team, do nothing.

At the same time, like you said, it worked early and the team played “for” each other more often than we’ve seen in past years. They look gassed, but they seem to like Turk and be more bought in and in better spirits. The break could be huge for us.

They HAVE played more than most teams.

 

[RGY]

If it’s not the results it’s the style or the coach or the “likability” of some players. The PP is depended on too much or we don’t score enough on the PP. Or we’re reliant on the goalie, as if he’s not wearing the same sweater.

Team could win the Cup and you would find some posters still finding something to latch onto. Next comment would be something like ‘yeah they won the cup but this isn’t sustainable for multiple cups’.

Some people are just in this world to be miserable. And they mask it with excuse of ‘Well I’m a realist’. Cool. You go be a “realist” somewhere else. Thanks.

 

[duhmetreE]

Team could win the Cup and you would find some posters still finding something to latch onto. Next comment would be something like ‘yeah they won the cup but this isn’t sustainable for multiple cups’.

Some people are just in this world to be miserable. And they mask it with excuse of ‘Well I’m a realist’. Cool. You go be a “realist” somewhere else. Thanks.

My hope is to win the cup and lose the xG battle.

It'd be glorious.

 

[duhmetreE]

I agree with this. Opening night lines and live with the growing pains. Grab a third line guy to play where Blais would be. Maybe two because I don’t really believe in Chytil anymore. Otherwise, unless you’re making a move for the long term health of the team, do nothing.

At the same time, like you said, it worked early and the team played “for” each other more often than we’ve seen in past years. They look gassed, but they seem to like Turk and be more bought in and in better spirits. The break could be huge for us.

I'm down with giving Chytil a shot at wing and where his game is simplified and he's allowed to forecheck/pressure the puck.

 

[LokiDog]

Team could win the Cup and you would find some posters still finding something to latch onto. Next comment would be something like ‘yeah they won the cup but this isn’t sustainable for multiple cups’.

Some people are just in this world to be miserable. And they mask it with excuse of ‘Well I’m a realist’. Cool. You go be a “realist” somewhere else. Thanks.

f***ing ass-clown Drury went all in for ONE lousy Cup and sacrificed our chance to be a DyNAsTY!!1! Chytil had 9 points in 21 games after the trade, it’s gonna come back to haunt us!!!

 

[RGY]

My hope is to win the cup and lose the xG battle.

It'd be glorious.

But the 5v5 play! We were not 1st in the league! We were not top 5! We were not top 10!

 

[Avery16]

Team could win the Cup and you would find some posters still finding something to latch onto. Next comment would be something like ‘yeah they won the cup but this isn’t sustainable for multiple cups’.

Some people are just in this world to be miserable. And they mask it with excuse of ‘Well I’m a realist’. Cool. You go be a “realist” somewhere else. Thanks.

Posters complaining about the team and its management have a place here, a thread on how the team is managed.

Nobody comes here for drama and complaints about individual posters. At least I hope no one does. It’s off-topic.

 

[bl02]

Can you imagine there is even talk about trading probably our only first round pick ever (past, present, future) for a guy most fans hated on and the organization got rid of for basically peanuts? I don't care how much better he's been since he got to Vancouver. (and I was in the group that hated that we traded him/and the return).

 

[bl02]

I'm down with giving Chytil a shot at wing and where his game is simplified and he's allowed to forecheck/pressure the puck.

I was all for giving him a shot at center but you're right maybe a much more simple game at wing where he can use his speed and size might be better?!?!
He looked pretty decent along with Panarin/strome (small sample size I know).
Put Goodrow back to third line so at least we can fix a some of the bottom 6.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Team could win the Cup and you would find some posters still finding something to latch onto. Next comment would be something like ‘yeah they won the cup but this isn’t sustainable for multiple cups’.

Some people are just in this world to be miserable. And they mask it with excuse of ‘Well I’m a realist’. Cool. You go be a “realist” somewhere else. Thanks.

How about they win first and let's see what happens. Only problem with that is they aren't going to win the way they are playing.

I do love how not only are you a hypocrite, but how cowardly you have become though. If you want to say something to me just @ me or get off my hump, swimfan. Or hit the ignore button. You bitching about other people pointing out legit criticisms of this team aint much better.

 

[CLW]

I think it's poor management to have Laffy with Chytil/Gauthier for so long. These guys needs some guidance. Put them with vet leadership which can only help. That line is not a 3rd line, it's a weak 2nd line on a terrible team. All good teams do have a strong top9 but they all don't play the same style game. We need an effective 3rd line that plays simple/physical/cycle hockey.

Our 5v5 has not been good. Our big boys are having major success on Special Teams, where our depth get 20-30 seconds a PP after a clear. ( pointing to their total PP time is terribly out of context to what opportunites they actually receive. ) I don't want our bottom6 to be playing a high skill offensive game. I'd prefer the smashmouth, physical grind down the opposing team. Get the puck behind them and go to work. Having Chytil and Laf ( along with a Gauthier ) together on the 3rd line destroys the teams balance IMO.

We need players to be put in their 'roles' and be put in position to succeed. I LOVE Hunt Rooney Reaves. Have no clue why it was broken up. They serve their purpose/role tremendously.

Sadly, Turk had the right lineup from season start. We just need to add a player like Lekhonen to balance out the 3rd.

Laffy Zibs Kreider
Panarin Strome Kakko
Lekhonen Goodrow Chytil
Hunt Rooney Reaves

Our defense is part of the problem when it comes to getting the puck out or transition. Jones-Schneider need to be our 3rd pair. There's no excuses anymore besides poor management.

Are they going to be patient with KAM? who's an absolute wild-card right now. I think he will also benefit from the break. Or is he turned into a Chychrun?

Let's remember a lot of these guys have not played this much hockey before, in their entire existence. With our insane travel schedule and condensed game schedule, the wheels are starting to come off. Is Gallant going too easy on them? He's stated at the beginning of the year, he would because of the crazy scheduling. Did it work early on and now it's turning for the worse? The team is running on fumes and it definitely looks like it

I'd also consider

Laffy Zibs Kakko
Panarin Strome Kreider
Lehkonen Goodrow Chytil

or even

Laffy Zibs Kakko
Panarin Strome Lehkonen
Kreider Goodrow Chytil

Kreider is not very creative 5v5, Laffy & Kakko might give each other that little extra chemistry they struggle to find with the BFF's. Laffy simply has to play big minutes in the top 6 and that's that.

However, looking at those lines it doesn't feel like a Gallant team, he will want more physicality.

Jones brings that much needed puck movement, but seeing him struggle down low you see why Gallant tried so hard to get Nils going.

Also (elsewhere in this thread) re: blaming the kids. Nothing would be more Rangers than Dolan & Sather shipping out the kids so they can go back to their comfort zone would it.

 

[cheech70]

Matthew Robertson and Oliver Tarnstrom.

Robertson has a good chance to be 2nd or 3rd liner on D...

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Would be nice if Chris Drury gives us a beneficial trade to help us forget yesterday’s dishonor.

 

[Fitzy]

NHL Stats

Goodrow and Rooney are the 3rd and 4th line centers for this team, and they should be.

Chytil better learn to play wing pretty quickly. He also better start playing a little bit tougher.

 

[cheech70]

If NYR can find a way to integrate Laf and Kakko into the top 2 lines such that they aren't a net drag on the line's productivity, then great.

It's still going to be very tough to make a deep run with the third line in shambles. Goodrow NEEDS to center that line, because a 3rd line of Laf-Chytil-Gauthier is bad enough to lose you the series on it's own.

Laf-Mika-Kreider
Panarin-Strome-Kakko
Chytil-Goodrow-???
Hunt-Rooney-Reaves

You can stabilize that roster by renting a guy like Smith for 3RW, but is that worth it? There's a chance of winning the cup every time you make the playoffs. Don't think, on the other hand that boosting that chance from like 2% to 2.2% with a rental is worth it. Let it be a learning experience. Few young teams go deep their first dance. If we end up losing in the Eastern Conference finals I'll gladly eat crow about thinking this team was still a year away at least.

If NYR think this veteran core is the one they have to win with, you have to start thinking about potential veteran trade returns for guys like Chytil, Kakko, Laf, Lundkvist.

Sounds like Amonte and Weight all over again

 

[CLW]

I was all for giving him a shot at center but you're right maybe a much more simple game at wing where he can use his speed and size might be better?!?!
He looked pretty decent along with Panarin/strome (small sample size I know).
Put Goodrow back to third line so at least we can fix a some of the bottom 6.

I can see a future for Fil as a winger especially if he beefs up a bit and can add a physical element. I think the Rangers should be patient with him and keep him - but I'll be surprised if they do.

Any winger that plays with Panarin and Strome has to be very comfortable with the defensive side of the game.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Underrated bad move was giving Reaves another year. The extra million dollars that we could save by replacing him with a league minimum player who is no worse but likely better than him could be pretty important.

 

[cheech70]

Yesterday on the bench for the ceremony K2 looked bigger than Filip...he needs to use it consistently

 

[cheech70]

Underrated bad move was giving Reaves another year. The extra million dollars that we could save by replacing him with a league minimum player who is no worse but likely better than him could be pretty important.

Number 30 on things to do

 

[Fitzy]

Sounds like Amonte and Weight all over again

Maybe.

Amonte already had two 30 goal seasons under his belt when dealt.

You could flip it around and say it's more like dealing Brendl or Malhotra. Maybe they just aren't actually that good. Laf Kakko and Chytil have been objectively bad this season.

 

[McRanger92]

Break is coming at a good time. Lots of injuries. Might be rough sledding the last two games, they will look better in the second half.

Yeah their lack of depth is really showing

 

[Barnaby]

I've never seen a team pine for a guy like Schneider so much. Cucks fans are so f***ing weird.

I expect him to be a top pairing caliber player for the next 12 years. I’d pine for him too. He’s the total package. I have some concerns about how Lundkvist translates... don’t have the same concerns about Schneider.

 

[rangers1314]

Look I very much like what we’ve seen from Scheinder so far, but people need to pump their breaks a bit.