Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIV

[Pawnee Rangers]

And insinuating Kravtsov is just like Antonio Brown is patently ridiculous.

He's actually worse.

 

[kovazub94]

Gallant said today that he didn't see playing Laffy less minutes as detrimental to his development. There are a lot of ways he could have answered/angled on this question, but when he said he thinks 8 minutes is the same as 12 minutes and 15 minutes of icetime, that is absolute horseshit. A 50% decrease in ice time vs the top players is obviously going to detriment his growth. You don't get into the flow of the game the same way and on a season, if he's missing 4-5 minutes a game, it's easy to extrapolate how much time he's missing vs other rookies on a season. I know there is no easy answer, as the 2 LW's ahead of him are: 1. the leagues leading goal scorer, 2. Artemi Panarin...but Gallant has to answer that question better.

You're missing the point. Eventually Lafreniere will get his minutes - it will just take longer. Note that I don't advocate for or against this approach - just acknowledging that this is the way the team chose to develop Lafreniere and Kakko - in the winning environment and making emphasis on playing the right way but with less ice time. We shall see if they are right.

 

[hackeyman]

Interesting Gallant doesn't seem to think there's a big difference between 8, 10, 12, 15 minutes of ice time when it comes to developing a young player. It's like he's never even read an HFB post.

But how could he even be an NHL coach if he hasn't read a HFB post ? I mean I find it outrageous the Rangers are paying him $3.6 Million when there's countless people on here that can apparently do a better job without being paid at all.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

But how could he even be an NHL coach if he hasn't read a HFB post ? I mean I find it outrageous the Rangers are paying him $3.6 Million when there's countless people on here that can apparently do a better job without being paid at all.

You must be new here. Coach, GM, trainer, equipment guy, play-by-play commentator. We can do it all here on HFNY.

 

[kovazub94]

You must be new here. Coach, GM, trainer, equipment guy, play-by-play commentator. We can do it all here on HFNY.

Not aiming high enough. Cure Covid and world hunger too.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Not aiming high enough. Cure Covid and world hunger too.

A vast treasure chest of knowledge.

 

[CLW]

I still think he's going to be fine and a big time player. In the meantime he's on a top team in the league and is going to experience the intensity of playoff hockey. I would hope that's all the motivation he needs to put the extra work in this offseason. Same for Miller, Kakko, Schneider or any of the other young guys.

Not to jump on you specifically but when people and players say that I always wonder if "extra work" is an euphemism for a PED regime. I'd be surprised if any of the kids are not going as hard as they can (i.e. their bodies can handle) in the off-season already. The kids need their man strength, that's the issue, and that comes with growing up physically. They are in the in-between stage now because they are still growing.

The Canes Svechnikov looks twice his size this year compared to only a year ago - he put Lindgren on his ass easily in the last game. He's no longer in-between. Same with Kotkaniemi, no longer "bambi" he is finding his man strength. They are 2018 draft class.

For now I'm more concerned with technicalities like Kakko needs to find a power stride, it hurts to watch him try to keep up with Kreider and Zib with their long power strides when he trips along on his agility blades. Hope he works on that now when he is rehabbing his upper body injury, if the injury allows it.

 

[Savant]

Not to jump on you specifically but when people and players say that I always wonder if "extra work" is an euphemism for a PED regime. I'd be surprised if any of the kids are not going as hard as they can (i.e. their bodies can handle) in the off-season already. The kids need their man strength, that's the issue, and that comes with growing up physically. They are in the in-between stage now because they are still growing.

The Canes Svechnikov looks twice his size this year compared to only a year ago - he put Lindgren on his ass easily in the last game. He's no longer in-between. Same with Kotkaniemi, no longer "bambi" he is finding his man strength. They are 2018 draft class.

For now I'm more concerned with technicalities like Kakko needs to find a power stride, it hurts to watch him try to keep up with Kreider and Zib with their long power strides when he trips along on his agility blades. Hope he works on that now when he is rehabbing his upper body injury, if the injury allows it.

Svechnikov is coached by Rod Brind’Amour. This helps in the developing man strength scenario.

Kakko as a prospect was not too different than Svechnikov as a prospect. You can clearly see what a different coaching a player development makes.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Not to jump on you specifically but when people and players say that I always wonder if "extra work" is an euphemism for a PED regime. I'd be surprised if any of the kids are not going as hard as they can (i.e. their bodies can handle) in the off-season already. The kids need their man strength, that's the issue, and that comes with growing up physically. They are in the in-between stage now because they are still growing.

The Canes Svechnikov looks twice his size this year compared to only a year ago - he put Lindgren on his ass easily in the last game. He's no longer in-between. Same with Kotkaniemi, no longer "bambi" he is finding his man strength. They are 2018 draft class.

For now I'm more concerned with technicalities like Kakko needs to find a power stride, it hurts to watch him try to keep up with Kreider and Zib with their long power strides when he trips along on his agility blades. Hope he works on that now when he is rehabbing his upper body injury, if the injury allows it.

I meant strength and conditioning and working on his skating and stuff like that. But if he wants to take horse dewormer. Who am I to tell him what to do?

 

[mike14]

But how could he even be an NHL coach if he hasn't read a HFB post ? I mean I find it outrageous the Rangers are paying him $3.6 Million when there's countless people on here that can apparently do a better job without being paid at all.

The counter point to this is Bryan Trottier...

So I guess it may be possible to arrive a position where we understand that NHL coaches understand the game to a high degree, but they certainly aren't infallible and can make glaring mistakes.

 

[jay from jersey]

We may go to the playoffs with this crew and we will gain experience and lose. Not sure that is the worst scenario.

I wouldn’t be against it. I’d love LaF/kakko/Zibby/Fox /Schneider/lindgren etc all to get a healthy dose of Playoff hockey. Even guys like Barron etc. especially shesty.

I think with all the cap room they have this season, the more likely scenario is at the least, they add guys like Lehkonen/Jarnkrok and maybe some other players on short term/expiring deals.
Even if the price is too high/ or a major trade doesn’t get done for whatever reason

 

[CLW]

Svechnikov is coached by Rod Brind’Amour. This helps in the developing man strength scenario.

Kakko as a prospect was not too different than Svechnikov as a prospect. You can clearly see what a different coaching a player development makes.

I agree, but the Rangers are supposed to have the best of the best when it comes to training staff too. I've been impressed with the Canes conditioning and agility etc watching Aho et al growing into the league. I don't feel the Rangers kids are on the same level physically which makes me wonder why. Does B'A have a "secret sauce" going on?

There are other aspects I like with B'A, eg he said that he doesn't want his forwards to skate backwards when defending esp not in the neutral zone (which I see Kakko do at times), it's details like that that show his wealth of experience.

 

[haohmaru]

Svechnikov is coached by Rod Brind’Amour. This helps in the developing man strength scenario.

Kakko as a prospect was not too different than Svechnikov as a prospect. You can clearly see what a different coaching a player development makes.

Meh, I wouldn't put that much weight into that. Men peak (strength) at different ages. Some might be peaking at 21 and some don't peak until their late 20's. We have to remember that Kakko and LaF are 20 years old and probably going to get stronger every year for the next half decade.

The thing that concerns me about both of these guys is that I have to actively look for them on the ice. Nothing they do stands out from a "wow" talent perspective. At least not yet.

 

[Idlerlee]

They really aren’t. A big thing that separates pro athletes from normal joes aside from the physical talent is the mentality.

The mentality to excel at your profession? That's not really unique to sports tbh.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Im hopeful we dont do much unless its aimed at the future or on the cheap, Leddy for cheap, yes please, if they believe they can get someone young that fits the time line perfect. But i dont want us to be delusional and go all in this year because if we add a couple guys up front it just takes valuable playoff experience from the kids ,go with this team this year, go all in next year.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Svechnikov is coached by Rod Brind’Amour. This helps in the developing man strength scenario.

Kakko as a prospect was not too different than Svechnikov as a prospect. You can clearly see what a different coaching a player development makes.

Yes because Brindamour was a career roid user.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

The counter point to this is Bryan Trottier...

So I guess it may be possible to arrive a position where we understand that NHL coaches understand the game to a high degree, but they certainly aren't infallible and can make glaring mistakes.

Gallant isn't Trottier though.

 

[Tob]

I thought after Eichel we wouldn't have to do this for a while but apparently we have to trade Kakko/Laf+ for J.T Miller now.

 

[rangers1314]

CBJ hosting Calgary

Is it odd that the GM is on a 1 game road trip?

 

[mike14]

Gallant isn't Trottier though.

Thanks, Capt.
I think the overall point still stands though

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Thanks, Capt.
I think the overall point still stands though

Does it really?

 

[mike14]

Does it really?

Yup

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Yup

We’re at an impasse and the only way to solve it is to speak with Trottier and ask him directly where he’d play Laff. But I don’t know the man, sadly.

 

[mike14]

We’re at an impasse and the only way to solve it is to speak with Trottier and ask him directly where he’d play Laff. But I don’t know the man, sadly.

The biggest problem with this plan is that the answer would likely be lost somewhere in 90 pages of hand-written bullshit...

 

[duhmetreE]

CBJ hosting Calgary

Roslovic checks a lot of Sather's likes.