Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXIII

[zukeisgone]

Krieder is tricky. You expect much more than you get. He disappears for decent stretches of games. For a top 10 pick in the first round I trade him or as a chip to fill our hole at 1RD

 

[Ola]

Definitely reasonable but there were barely any posters who saw Bereglazov with their own eyes. Rykov is not Bereglazov but this is for another time.
The main point of my post was a) to show Trouba as 1RD, b) Skjei and Pionk were moved to bring Trouba and c) Staal was not Trouba's LD.

Bereglazov as a RD was just complete fantasy dreaming. It’s a significant handicap to play on the wrong side. Maybe you can get it to work for a little while, but...

I think that EVERY LD that has made this team the last decade was labeled as a natural RD, who had played mostly RD, and who preferred to play RD before they got here. Then it’s tried as it’s a complete mess. McD, Skjei and everyone else. Brenda Smith.

Playing RD as a LHS in the KHL, College or the SHL or whatever has no bearing on if a player is capable of doing it in the NHL.

The game has become too fast, teams are too well coached, players too smart. Put a guy out there that is a LHS on the right side and he looses time and space in some situations. Especially in his own end along the boards. Teams will take advantage of it. I think it’s clear that Ds playing the wrong side tends to get worn out, it’s a tough job. These Ds tends to more and more become about just hammering the puck out with softer backhands.

How about we have — one — single guy, the first ever since the 05’ lockout, that can come in and play fairly well on the wrong side before we start to pencil in guys there long term?

 

[Ola]

The Rangers need to re-sign some of their own players too.

Pavel Buchnevich is a group II with arb rights. The guy has produced when given the opportunity and the coach isn't jerking him around. Let the guy play. Buchnevich hasn't had the type of season to give him a long-term deal. Bridge deal. 2 years. $3M-$3,5M AAV? He does have .54 points per game in his career.

Pionk has his flaws. The Rangers like him better than some of the fans. Bridge deal. Stecher has a $2.325M cap hit. Same situation, Bridge deal. Player coming out of college as a free agent. Pionk is a better offensive player. Those players usually get a little more.

Some of the Rangers cap space will go towards those two players. ~$6M.

Deangelo has no arb rights. The Rangers will make him play at his QO of $874,125. He has played well in his limited time too. July 15.

Lemieux has no arb rights. Same situation as Tony. $874,125. July 15.

How much will the Rangers D change for next season? They have three bad contracts and Skjei. Pionk. Deangelo. Hajek.

The Rangers have 4 more years of the Girardi buyout. Do they want more 2/3 buyout money on their cap?

Nick Kypreos was talking about Panarin and Duchene struggling for Columbus. What are they? The closer you look at them. They aren't the players to lead a team to a championship. Both of them will get crazy money. He grouped them together. Panarin has disappeared. He has 1 goal in 12 games. Duchene is like Kessel who found his niche in Pittsburgh playing behind Crosby and Malkin. Phil put up points but wasn't a top guy. Both of them are like Kessel.

The Rangers have made that mistake before with Nash. They brought him to be the top dog but he was like Kessel too.

Some people here say the Rangers should keep Kreider and Mika. Have them be secondary players and the Rangers get better players to play in front of them. What happens when Panarin needs someone to drive the bus and lead? A team isn't paying him $11M for just points.

Kreider had 20 goals in the first 37 games. He has 6 in that last 32. Even his biggest cheerleader brought up his disappearing act.





The Rangers know this player better than anybody. Chris is in his 6th full season as a Ranger. He has played parts of two other seasons with the Rangers. They know what he is.

Time to trade Chris this summer at the draft.

Those bridge deal proposals are just completely brain dead RB.

Collective Bargaining Agreement

 

[True Blue]

Absolutely. I know he has made some messes with the Knicks but he has been terrific with the rangers.

I really think that is because he actually knows that he knows next to nothing about hockey and believes that he knows a lot about basketball. As such, he leaves the Rangers completely alone to be run by Sather.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Ben Bishop playing out of his mind right now. That is exactly what us Ranger's fans need.

 

[NYR Viper]

Kreider isn't an enigma anymore. He is what he is. He's a ~55 point, 25-30g player. He's a good 1st line player. He's not someone who should be the main focal point of any offense but he is a good secondary option. For me, he's no better at his position than McDonagh was at his and the Rangers decided to trade McDonagh. I'd trade Kreider.

 

[Edge]

I really think that is because he actually knows that he knows next to nothing about hockey and believes that he knows a lot about basketball. As such, he leaves the Rangers completely alone to be run by Sather.

Yeah, I don't think it's part of a broader strategy. I think it's the byproduct of not having a background knowledge, and thus a stronger opinion.

I will say this though, I've worked with the man, and talked to him many times, and he's always been pretty cool.

 

[Trxjw]

I don't think that's a signal from Dolan that we're going big on free agents. Plenty of other ways to spend money.

That being said, it's nice to have an owner who has no qualms about spending money regardless of the state of the team.

 

[Edge]

I don't think that's a signal from Dolan that we're going big on free agents. Plenty of other ways to spend money.

That being said, it's nice to have an owner who has no qualms about spending money regardless of the state of the team.

It's one reason why comparisons to small market teams that have been stuck in a rebuild for 10 years drive me bonkers.

Dolan, for all his flaws, will put money into this team. I also think he's not breathing down their neck on a weekly basis to make moves just for the sake of making moves.

The money and the willingness will be there. That will never be the fight.

 

[RGY]

Zuccarello is signing in Dallas

We really need this to happen. The extra 1st round pick would be way more valuable to us. Especially since I dont see Dallas as ever being a #1 team in this league. Benn and Seguin arent “old” but they arent young anymore. Spezza will be gone. Hanzal has disappointed. Zucc is not young. Radulov not young. They could go in the other direction fast.

Also, wouldnt mind looking into Spezza if the cap hit is reasonable AND we had moved out one or both of Strome and Nams. Center and veteran leader.

 

[RGY]

Kreider isn't an enigma anymore. He is what he is. He's a ~55 point, 25-30g player. He's a good 1st line player. He's not someone who should be the main focal point of any offense but he is a good secondary option. For me, he's no better at his position than McDonagh was at his and the Rangers decided to trade McDonagh. I'd trade Kreider.

But I disagree here. They offer two different types of impact on the game play due to their positions and abilities. A guy like Kreider with his size, speed, and strength impacts the puck and opposing players way more than Mac imo. He pushes the opposition back towards their own net, putting them back on their heels and forcing them to make mistakes. Mac was slowing down at the time. Tampa is so loaded that his play, while still good, is overshadowed when trying to compare to what it once was. There is more value to Kreider for the overall team’s play on a game to game basis with how fast the NHL is right now than Mac’s.

 

[NYR Viper]

But I disagree here. They offer two different types of impact on the game play due to their positions and abilities. A guy like Kreider with his size, speed, and strength impacts the puck and opposing players way more than Mac imo. He pushes the opposition back towards their own net, putting them back on their heels and forcing them to make mistakes. Mac was slowing down at the time. Tampa is so loaded that his play, while still good, is overshadowed when trying to compare to what it once was. There is more value to Kreider for the overall team’s play on a game to game basis with how fast the NHL is right now than Mac’s.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. Having Hedman and McDonagh on the ice for 50 minutes every game is almost unfair to the rest of the league.

 

[Ghost of jas]

It's one reason why comparisons to small market teams that have been stuck in a rebuild for 10 years drive me bonkers.

Dolan, for all his flaws, will put money into this team. I also think he's not breathing down their neck on a weekly basis to make moves just for the sake of making moves.

The money and the willingness will be there. That will never be the fight.

Like I said elsewhere, I’m guessing Gorton is definitely focused on what happens in both Toronto and Winnipeg. I’m throwing praise to @BBKers who was tuned into Dallas’ interest in Zuccarello. He’s saying the Rangers have strong interest in Trouba. I would not be shocked to see Gorton pursue deals for both Trouba and Nylander if the Marner contract forces Dubas’ hands. Those are deals that could fit the timeline.

 

[Trxjw]

It's one reason why comparisons to small market teams that have been stuck in a rebuild for 10 years drive me bonkers.

Dolan, for all his flaws, will put money into this team. I also think he's not breathing down their neck on a weekly basis to make moves just for the sake of making moves.

The money and the willingness will be there. That will never be the fight.

It's definitely a differentiator. He's willing to shell out cash to add talent and he seems to have no issue paying to make mistakes go away.

As always though, the timing is important when it comes to writing those checks.

 

[Edge]

Like I said elsewhere, I’m guessing Gorton is definitely focused on what happens in both Toronto and Winnipeg. I’m throwing praise to @BBKers who was tuned into Dallas’ interest in Zuccarello. He’s saying the Rangers have strong interest in Trouba. I would not be shocked to see Gorton pursue deals for both Trouba and Nylander if the Marner contract forces Dubas’ hands. Those are deals that could fit the timeline.

In fairness, Dallas was one of the teams being mentioned on here for almost a year.

The key difference is that people thought they were getting Honka at one point, and that just wasn't going to happen.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Ben Bishop playing out of his mind right now. That is exactly what us Ranger's fans need.

Dallas’ goaltending has been great this year, their main problem is offensive depth, which really helps the case of them resigning Zuccarello

 

[TheTakedown]

No, clearly not the solution. But no need to trade assets for a perennially hurt player and thrust him into a role that he has up to now, not been used in. That's NOT the solution. Keep drafting and amassing assets and wait for the 3 S's (Shattenkirk, Smith, Staal) to move on or retire..

I would also think that the solution would be not to bank on Rykov to be a top line defenseman and to see what Lingren is or isn't.

I did not propose Rykov in the lineup at all....

Again, what's the solution? You're not offering anything other than the "wait and see" approach... What's the target? What's going to work? If it's not Trouba, you're banking on a guy being drafted either last year or this year and waiting 5 years for him to develop into a #1 dman... that doesn't happen overnight, and the Rangers don't have 5 years to wait since after were 2 years deep into this rebuild if you count the Stepan retool move (3 if you cound Brassard for Zib).

Trouba isn't an ideal solution, but unless the stars align, you're going to be stuck waiting for the perfect move and never find an answer... much like the Rangers PowerPlay actually

 

[Kovalev27]

I have a feeling Zucc stays in Dallas. He’s the type of personality and player they really need there.

 

[LaffyTaffy]

I would use Kreider as a big piece at the draft. If they see another K’Andre Miller situation, trade Kreider for that pick and an add. Draft your man and get a useful piece in return.

 

[TheTakedown]

Draft more Defenders.

Look for the Montour type trades.

Find another ADA like player and live with any quirks.

Take some draft chances on the Merkley types

Make a deal with Calgary, or any other team once they realize they can't protect all of their D in expansion.

Wait for Fox to become a UFA

Fox is really the only solution for us right now, and even then its a wait and see. Calgary is f***ed in terms of keeping that D corps together after expansion

 

[Ghost of jas]

Dallas’ goaltending has been great this year, their main problem is offensive depth, which really helps the case of them resigning Zuccarello

Let’s hope Bishop gets red hot for the first two rounds of the playoffs.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Let’s hope Bishop gets red hot for the first two rounds of the playoffs.

Definitely something I could get on board with

 

[TheTakedown]

Time to make room for younger players. Smith is immovable. Even at 50% retention, he’s at best a 6-7 and not on a good team. I fully expect he will be bought out because the salary cap implications are minor and very manageable.

Shattenkirk has little value right now but I think the Rangers will hang on for one more year to see if he regains value. He is right handed and you still have to field a team. He also is the one of the three who I think could rebuild his value.

Staal is probably safe for now. A very highly overpaid third pair player.

Staal will be here through the end of his deal. He's too one-dimensional of a defender to have any trade value, and even at 50% a team is most likely not adding a guy who is probably retiring at the end of his deal to begin with... Lots of times rental value considers how likely the player is going to stay with the team.

Smith may as well be an expensive #7 or a Hartford player. His contract can be sent down to the minors next year with a $1.075M reduced cap hit charge, and a $1.1M reduced cap hit charge the following year. Buying him out in the 2019 offseason results in a ~$1M cap hit in 19-20, but then a $3.1M cap hit in 20-21, then 2 year sof $1.145M in dead cap----this is compared to sending him down to the minors and resulting in $3.275M cap hit charges for the next 2 years.

 

[Irishguy42]

Hajek/Pionk pairing in 5 GP (5v5 - 52:16 TOI):

Raw - 57.47 CF% | 62 SF% | 75 GF% | 69.23 HDCF% | 1.044 PDO | 44.44 Off Zone FO% | 9.68 SH% | 94.74 SV%
Rel - +12.2 CF% | +16.29 SF% | +28.85 GF% | +19.23 HDCF% | +0.043 PDO | +3.43 SH% | +0.88 SV%

Not bad. A bit PDO inflated, but still very nice in a small sample size.

 

[TheTakedown]

Rangers gonna need a defensively sound RD. It will take to long to develop one. Trouba is to expensive. Brett Pesce should be the target. 5 years for a cap hit just over 4 million is very appealing. Take on Scott Darling in the trade and buy him out. Skjei plus a top forward project for Pesce and Darling?

Just how expensive is Trouba going to be though?

An Extended Trouba at $7M/year (good deal for a defender of his level) for a 1st, prospect, roster player? that's a fair price to pay to remove the 5 years it'll take to develop said defender, and that's assuming we find a guy of his caliber