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Fun Fact: Dan Girardi finished higher in voting for the Norris (6) than McDonagh ever has (8).
Just thought that was pretty amusing, FWIW.
Just thought that was pretty amusing, FWIW.
Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXIII
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He was voted Best Defencemen at 2013 World Championships. The tournament is maybe not important for you in north america, but it is pretty big in Europe.
The Rangers stay in seventh tonight in the lottery standings but made up ground on a few fronts. The three point game in Vancouver left the Canucks one point ahead of the Rangers and the Devils are now clear by only six points. Anaheim’s win in Colorado lifted the Almighty Ducks to just two points ahead of the Rangers. With a loss tomorrow, the Rangers could climb as high as fifth overall before they play again.
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Some will take a big step forward, others will take a small step but AS A GROUP they will be better.
It’s not always that easy for kids in NY either.
A young kid comes in and exceeds expectations, plays with heart and soul and a lot of energy. But if the bottom line isn’t great from Day 1 — will he get encouraged? Supported? Nope. A huge group of people will go for his throat instantly and never let go.
Everyone is for a rebuild and vouches that they would be oh so supportive of it. But of course not if it includes being patient with kids and living through some growing pains.
And this is just the start of the rebuild. How will it be in 3-4 years? Look at a kid like Pionk, he is obviously feeling the really heavy trashing he is exposed of. The smile is gone. Think he should be proud of himself, but...
A young kid comes in and exceeds expectations, plays with heart and soul and a lot of energy. But if the bottom line isn’t great from Day 1 — will he get encouraged? Supported? Nope. A huge group of people will go for his throat instantly and never let go.
Everyone is for a rebuild and vouches that they would be oh so supportive of it. But of course not if it includes being patient with kids and living through some growing pains.
And this is just the start of the rebuild. How will it be in 3-4 years? Look at a kid like Pionk, he is obviously feeling the really heavy trashing he is exposed of. The smile is gone. Think he should be proud of himself, but...
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Games played is the first tiebreaker. We have 2 games in hand on Anaheim. If we lose to Minnesota tonight and Anaheim wins on Sunday, we'll be tied on points and they'll have more ROW, but we'll still have 2 games in hand on them.
rangerfan_79
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The rangers defense is currently comprised of 2nd and 3rd pairing guys. It's not to say any of them won't turn out to be a top pair but none are there at this point.
I believe the Rangers will sign or trade for a top pairing character player that should aid in development of these young players with better match ups along with how to be a professional.
@Ola the fan base is fickle. talking the talk isn't the same as walking the walk. A rebuild does take time but this is New York and it will always have and accelerated time schedule.
I like the attention to detail Quinn is showing toward the younger players. Singles them out and takes them to the side to give support and instruction.
I believe the Rangers will sign or trade for a top pairing character player that should aid in development of these young players with better match ups along with how to be a professional.
@Ola the fan base is fickle. talking the talk isn't the same as walking the walk. A rebuild does take time but this is New York and it will always have and accelerated time schedule.
I like the attention to detail Quinn is showing toward the younger players. Singles them out and takes them to the side to give support and instruction.
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It's nice that the Devils have strung together a few but I still think they're too far back given the amount of games left and the roster they're icing. If they did somehow get it to a 2 to 3 point deficit by the time they play each other in Jersey in April then it'd be real interesting.
Jaromir Jagr
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Sounds like blind optimism to me. You are not offering any sort of convincing argument for why they will be better 'as a group' next year when they will almost surely be without 2 of their top 6 offensive players from this year.
It's incredibly hard to judge what the roster will look like at the beginning of next season, so it's not impossible, but you seem to be banking on the guys already on the roster. And if that's the case, we are going to be worse next year than this year. That is almost a guarantee.
Look at how we have played since we lost Hayes and Zucc. If that doesn't explain to you just how important pieces they were, then I don't know what will.
It was the right move to get rid of them, in my opinion, but for the here and now, this team is much worse.
Lastly, I don't know who you think is taking a 'big step forward' next year and, moreover, what has given you reason to believe that. The only two guys I have hope for are ADA and Chytil and both have enormous red flags.
More importantly, the D, barring some miracle trade or unforeseen signing, looks to be rather set for next season and if that's the case, this team is going to be awful.
BBKers
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Him, Staal and Chara should be our 3rd line next year...
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Chara on the 4th, the 3rd should be a young player who needs the reps like Matt Beleskey
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I'm about to go all Czech with the analysis.
The Rangers D is just bland now. Hajek injected a jolt of energy, mobility, intelligence, etc. It's very noticeable without him.
A lot of people talking about Chytil's puck problems lately. It all goes back to his stick. He's using a very dull blade ever since he saw Kane. Someone in the org needs to tell him to go back to his original. That's why he's not having as much luck with board battles and takeways. He's such a good impressionable kid. His heart is in the right place and he's trying to improve but it's clearly hurting his production.
The Rangers D is just bland now. Hajek injected a jolt of energy, mobility, intelligence, etc. It's very noticeable without him.
A lot of people talking about Chytil's puck problems lately. It all goes back to his stick. He's using a very dull blade ever since he saw Kane. Someone in the org needs to tell him to go back to his original. That's why he's not having as much luck with board battles and takeways. He's such a good impressionable kid. His heart is in the right place and he's trying to improve but it's clearly hurting his production.
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You know, I will stop after this because I don’t look to keep long discussions just to be able to say I told you so in the future. We can just disagree at this time. Just to clarify, I was talking specifically about our recent prospects and young players when writing about taking a step forward, not the Rangers team as a whole which I simply expect not to be worst of the worst next season. I also wrote “as a group” because some will progress and some won’t, or at least not as big as hoped. But they should because that’s what young players do. This is all that I know at this point to make this statement and seen glimpses of prospects showing what kind of players they could be. I could be wrong but I think I hedged my bet pretty well assessing them not individually but as a group.
Yeah, it just feels like such a fresh breath of air whenever a kid get a shot on the blueline.
Oscar Lindberg
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I think people are going to be shocked when very little is done in this off season to improve the club immediately. Yes, Kravtsov will come over and play here but if he had a Chytil type season would anyone be shocked?
Some kids who are here now may take a step forward... but this defense is going to be what you see on opening night (adding in Hajek of course).
Without Hayes and Zucc (possibly even Kreider) I just don't see how this team is ANY better next season... even with a David Quinn, now with a year of experience behind the bench. I don't see the goal-tending being worse or much better.
It'll be the same story... 5-10th worst probably, this time with very little to sell at the deadline unless Kreider makes it that far.
There is absolutely no crystal ball that guarantees this. Some may take a step back. And no matter who takes steps forward, I feel confident that they will not be to a level of what Keven Hayes did this year or Zuc for the last 6 weeks or so of his tenure. Ergo, I believe that as constituted, the Rangers will be worse.
I actually think that it is easier for kids than vets. The kids that grow up with the franchise get used to the expectations and bright lights. UFAs brought in from the outside, well, more often than not, they are not what they were billed to be. They tend to wilt under those same bright lights.
Who is going to be shocked? I think that the more level headed bunch of us believe just that. I believe that Panarin is an absolute pipe dream.
LORDE
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The poster I was responding to for one... others who see Karlsson and or Panarin as forgone conclusions... those who believe Zucc and Hayes are returning (same ones who couldn't wait to get Nash back) etc.
No, I know. Was more coming on top of your post as it gave a good reference point.
There is NOTHING that Gorton has done to make me think that are band aid fixes or short cuts coming.
Jaromir Jagr
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I actually think you make more sense with this post. But it seems a little counter to what you were arguing previously.
I mean, I think it's obvious that some kids will probably be better next year and some will be worse. It just seemed that you were rather adamant that the team, as a whole, would very likely be better than this years version.
This team, despite their current place in the standings, largely outperformed this season, in my opinion. They were competitive in a ton of games and won more than I expected. Unfortunately, a lot correlated to hot streaks from Hayes, Zucc, Z-Bad, etc. Now that those 2 guys are gone, and we have really nothing to replace them, it would see obvious that barring some FA signings or crazy trades, the team will be worse next year.
Also, many prospects show 'glimpses' and never pan out. I wouldn't get too excited. If anything, outside of Hajek's very minor stint and ADA, I have been largely disappointed with how our prospects have looked this year.
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