Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIII - 2 months until TDL

[NYR Viper]

They can do it by trading Kakko. You are basically giving Chychrun the raise that Kakko will be getting.

I don't see Kaako getting $4m+ this offseason. MAYBE $3m. Maybe.

 

[Savant]

I don't see Kaako getting $4m+ this offseason. MAYBE $3m. Maybe.

Someone will. We just saw this with Kotkaniemi. This is a very similar situation, arguably worse for the Rangers.

 

[NYR Viper]

Someone will. We just saw this with Kotkaniemi. This is a very similar situation, arguably worse for the Rangers.

The Rangers have the cap space to sign him and the bandwidth for retribution. Is it possible? Sure. Likely? No way.

 

[McRanger92]

Chychrun is better than many people here think. He’s absolutely a top pair D and would give this team a top 4 D that could rival anyone in the league.

Pair him with Trouba, who by the way is having an unbelievable season

Another reason why its comical to think the Rangers are going to do anything but bend over backwards to keep him and Kreider. Worry about fitting the young players contracts when they actually do something to deserve them.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Nemeth doesn't have to be part of the trade for Chychrun or even dealt this season. They might keep him for depth the rest of this season and the playoffs. He'll likely be dealt at the draft.

Difference between Nemeth cap hit a Chychrun is $2.1MM.

In terms of Kakko I'd be shocked if he got more than $3MM for 2 years with his play so far.

 

[McRanger92]

They can do it by trading Kakko. You are basically giving Chychrun the raise that Kakko will be getting.

With a new contract coming up (and Othmann/Cuylle/Berard lighting it up doesnt hurt) we may need to face this possibility sooner rather than later.

 

[NYR Viper]

they just took Ryan Strome coming off 30 point seasons in depth roles with edmonton for 3M and put him with Panarin and it worked. It’s worked in Vegas with Stephenson and karlsson. It’s worked in STL this year with barbashev. It’s worked in Minnesota this year with Hartman. They are perfectly fine getting some random fill in guy to play with Panarin and he can elevate their game. They don’t need to spend 4-5M on the role. It’s wasteful

Is this a possibility? Sure. Is it a preferred route when all we hear about is how every contender must have good center depth? Probably not.

Let's assume NYR trade for Chychrun (Chytil, Kravtsov, Robertson, pick) and don't re-sign Strome.

You've got a few ways to work with that.

1) Go out and sign an out of contract skilled center who is in a slump and looking for a prove it contract. Vinny Prospal type deal. Galchenyuk, Brassard, there are options.

2) Try to trade for an ELC center ready to step in and contribute for near league minimum the next two years. This would be expensive but we potentially have Lundkvist as a chip.

3) Look the UDFA route to try to find someone with middle 6 center potential, who just hasn't proven it at this level. Could be a top college free agent or a European mainstay. In addition, increase and promote either Morgan Barron or Goodrow to 3C permanently. If the UDFA doesn't work, simply promote from within.

Panarin-Zib-Kreider
Lafreniere-???-Kakko
Goodrow-Barron-Blais
Hunt-Rooney-Reaves

Lindgren-Fox
Chychrun-Trouba
Miller-Schneider

That's a team built around the defense. My main concern is secondary scoring- there's not much on that forward roster. I'm not sure I like that roster, much as I may like Chychrun

Again, this works if we all realize their 2C is going to be a bit of a mess for a while. Do they want to put themselves in the position where they may have to play Goodrow or Barron at 2C? What happens if Zibanejad misses time? We're good with them as 1C?

I am by no means saying this can't work. It can. We just have to all realize that by making this move, they are literally taking money away from the area where they probably have the least amount of depth and investing in an area where they have the most.

Perhaps Drury would have a backup move somewhere to bring in a center. This is where a young player like Kupari would have been nice to have as additional insurance. In saying all of that, the Rangers center depth in terms of prospect who may be close is Morgan Barron, a player who played wing the majority of his college career and has yet to break onto the roster full time at 23. He's probably topping out as a 3C which is valuable but not exactly what we are looking for here.

Here's the other thing here. I think the majority of us here feel that Lafreniere and Kaako have not been given as many opportunities as others to show what they can do. Do we want to continue that trend by possibly having them carry the corpse of Derick Brassard or someone like that?

 

[NYR Viper]

Nemeth doesn't have to be part of the trade for Chychrun or even dealt this season. They might keep him for depth the rest of this season and the playoffs. He'll likely be dealt at the draft.

Difference between Nemeth cap hit a Chychrun is $2.1MM.

In terms of Kakko I'd be shocked if he got more than $3MM for 2 years with his play so far.

This is where I see him as well. Hovering around $3m on a 2 year deal.

 

[NYR Viper]

With a new contract coming up (and Othmann/Cuylle/Berard lighting it up doesnt hurt) we may need to face this possibility sooner rather than later.

Cuylle and Othmann both mainly play LW. Berard is a LWer but plays both sides. Beyond Kaako and Kravtsov, maybe Pajuniemi becomes a NHLer at RW. They have Barron and Goodrow who can play all 3 forward positions and Blais who plays either wing. I wouldn't be in a rush to move Kaako.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Chych just doesn't make sense to me. I understand making an offer I suppose...but given our situation on our backend, there is absolutely no reason to reach for him. He's a nice to have if the price is one that you just cannot pass up.

 

[McRanger92]

Cuylle and Othmann both mainly play LW. Berard is a LWer but plays both sides. Beyond Kaako and Kravtsov, maybe Pajuniemi becomes a NHLer at RW. They have Barron and Goodrow who can play all 3 forward positions and Blais who plays either wing. I wouldn't be in a rush to move Kaako.

It really depends on the contract Kakko wants. I wouldnt pay him more than what Chytil got as it stands today.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Chychrun-Fox would be the best pair in the league. That’s a pair you can run out there for 30 minutes a game in the playoffs and they’d run shit.

We don’t have that guy on our team or in our system. Miller may be that guy eventually, but he isn’t that now (I’d like to hang onto him)

 

[Vitto79]

Chychrun-Fox would be the best pair in the league. That’s a pair you can run out there for 30 minutes a game in the playoffs and they’d run shit.

We don’t have that guy on our team or in our system. Miller may be that guy eventually, but he isn’t that now (I’d like to hang onto him)

no it’s not cause Chychrun isn’t good defensively

he’s best as a 2nd pair PP QB not Vs a teams top line

 

[Mac n Gs]

Chychrun-Fox would be the best pair in the league. That’s a pair you can run out there for 30 minutes a game in the playoffs and they’d run shit.

We don’t have that guy on our team or in our system. Miller may be that guy eventually, but he isn’t that now (I’d like to hang onto him)

Even if you split them up, having the ability to deploy Fox, Lindgren (assuming he stays), Chychrun, and Trouba for 50+ min a night in the playoffs is an absurd competitive advantage, especially with Shesty in net

 

[DanielBrassard]

no it’s not cause Chychrun isn’t good defensively

he’s best as a 2nd pair PP QB not Vs a teams top line

What do you mean he's not good defenisvely? The numbers would suggest otherwise.

 

[wafflepadsave]

I keep mentioning this but they really don't have to be. Just be smart about who you acquire and make sure they are someone you want to keep around.

Then I would try and get the deal done during the Olympic break.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Adding Chychrun pretty much means no Strome moving forward and before anyone celebrates that, they need to realize that no Strome means no one comparable to Strome at 2C either.

Signings:
Kaako - $2.75m
Strome - $5m
Hajek - $.95m
Gauthier - $.85m
Blais - $1.65m
Hayton - $1m

Trades:
Chytil + Kravtsov + 1st for Chychrun + Hayton
Georgiev for Koskinen + EDM 2nd + 5th
Nemeth for a 5th

Kreider-Zib-Panarin
Lafreniere-Strome-Kaako
Goodrow-Hayton-Blais
Hunt-Barron-Reaves
Gauthier

Lindgren-Fox
Chychrun-Trouba
Miller-Schneider
Hajek

Shesty
______

This team, without a backup goalie, is already $.4m over the cap with a $1m bump next season.

Then maybe one of the lottery kids goes for a center.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Chychrun is better than many people here think. He’s absolutely a top pair D and would give this team a top 4 D that could rival anyone in the league.

Pair him with Trouba, who by the way is having an unbelievable season

I thought he did a bang up job keeping the crease clear last night.

 

[kovazub94]

Trading Lindgren is a great idea.

His value will never be higher.
He's super overrated, although a good top 4 d
He's getting paid only a mil and a half less than chychrun
He plays a style of hockey that ages poorly

Yup, and let’s not forget that the return is a true 1LD whose cap hit is a low end of the 2nd pair range.

 

[NYR Viper]

Then maybe one of the lottery kids goes for a center.

Sure that's an option. Again, we just have to be wary of not thinking this one through. Unfortunately, the $3.6m in dead cap space next year is really a killer...

 

[Savant]

The Rangers have the cap space to sign him and the bandwidth for retribution. Is it possible? Sure. Likely? No way.

Are we sure the Rangers have cap space to sign him ? A lot depends on quick he wants to sign. If Kakko plays hardball with his raise, things get hairy.

 

[kovazub94]

We're trading Lindgren now? This place.

If it gets us Chychrun? No brainer

 

[NYR Viper]

Are we sure the Rangers have cap space to sign him ? A lot depends on quick he wants to sign. If Kakko plays hardball with his raise, things get hairy.

They will have the cap space, yes. Other moves will need to be made to accommodate but they could just match it (if an offer sheet came) and wait to re-sign some of their other RFA's while they make another deal. That's Blais, Hajek, Gauthier, Hajek, Georgiev. Plus they have Strome as a UFA who they could wait to sign until they have things ironed out. Or if they don't want to re-sign Strome that have lots of cap space. And on top of all of that, they can be 10% over in the off-season.

Barring a massive offer sheet that would recoup something like multiple 1st's, I'm doubtful we see much.

 

[leetch99]

Pierre Engvall is always impressive when he plays against us....or does it just seem like that ? He had 5 shots the last game . He has had a good week all around for the Leafs . The guy is big , young and sneaky fast and cheap and heading into RFA . He is listed as a C/LW . I think he would be a big upgrade over Chytil . What do the Leafs need ....a Nemeth ? A big question is could he also play his off wing and be productive ?

Good write up here on him of late...impressive 5on5 stuff from him . Pierre Engvall’s dominant season with the Leafs, and how he’s doing it

 

[haveandare]

Trading your 2OA kid who has shown flashes of dominance for another teams d-man with one huge year so far seems like a ridiculous risk to take