Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIII - 2 months until TDL

[NYR Viper]

Adding Chychrun pretty much means no Strome moving forward and before anyone celebrates that, they need to realize that no Strome means no one comparable to Strome at 2C either.

Signings:
Kaako - $2.75m
Strome - $5m
Hajek - $.95m
Gauthier - $.85m
Blais - $1.65m
Hayton - $1m

Trades:
Chytil + Kravtsov + 1st for Chychrun + Hayton
Georgiev for Koskinen + EDM 2nd + 5th
Nemeth for a 5th

Kreider-Zib-Panarin
Lafreniere-Strome-Kaako
Goodrow-Hayton-Blais
Hunt-Barron-Reaves
Gauthier

Lindgren-Fox
Chychrun-Trouba
Miller-Schneider
Hajek

Shesty
______

This team, without a backup goalie, is already $.4m over the cap with a $1m bump next season.

 

[NYRangers0723]

i agree but it’s like they have too many assets for their own good

. Not really

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Why is everyone here so in love with Chychrun? What has he done? He had one great season.

Calling Lindgren overrated is some contrarian bs. It's like some Pitchfork Media hipster version of being a hockey fan.

Everyone here clearly has PTSD from the Girardi contract so they're applying it to Lindgren.

 

[I Eat Crow]

How much will Copp get on his next deal?

It'll take 6 x 6, and I'd gladly pay it if I was the Rangers.

 

[HonestGabe]

Chychrun is better than many people here think. He’s absolutely a top pair D and would give this team a top 4 D that could rival anyone in the league.

Pair him with Trouba, who by the way is having an unbelievable season

 

[HonestGabe]

Why is everyone here so in love with Chychrun? What has he done? He had one great season.

Calling Lindgren overrated is some contrarian bs. It's like some Pitchfork Media hipster version of being a hockey fan.

Everyone here clearly has PTSD from the Girardi contract so they're applying it to Lindgren.

it has more to do with his contract. This is like when the Rangers had McDonagh tied up at 4.7 for 6 years. He has a 4.65m cap hit for the next 3 seasons

 

[Synergy27]

Why is everyone here so in love with Chychrun? What has he done? He had one great season.

Calling Lindgren overrated is some contrarian bs. It's like some Pitchfork Media hipster version of being a hockey fan.

Everyone here clearly has PTSD from the Girardi contract so they're applying it to Lindgren.

This is where I am. Chychrun scored an ass load of goals last season. He has 8 points and is -31 this season. We could use an upgrade on the left side of the defense but some people here are willing to package several of our best trade assets for this player. I don’t get it.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Kakko, Chytil, Nemeth, 1st for Keller@50% and Chychrun?

I know you used the sarcasm smiley, but I make this deal.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Chychrun is better than many people here think. He’s absolutely a top pair D and would give this team a top 4 D that could rival anyone in the league.

Pair him with Trouba, who by the way is having an unbelievable season

He might be good but it's not going to help against Carolina/Florida/Vegas/Calgary and tomorrow night we find out if they can handle LA in a competitive game.

It's like a baseball team with four awesome pitchers adding another one that can't hit for average.

If they don't fix team speed/forecheck they're going to top out as the "Second Round Rangers" or 1980s Winnipeg Jets.

 

[Avery16]

Why is everyone here so in love with Chychrun? What has he done? He had one great season.

Calling Lindgren overrated is some contrarian bs. It's like some Pitchfork Media hipster version of being a hockey fan.

Everyone here clearly has PTSD from the Girardi contract so they're applying it to Lindgren.

Lindgren is an important and underrated element on this team. I doubt Arizona is very interested in him, and I think it’d be a mistake to include him in a deal for Chychrun.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm concerned with the cost to acquire a 2C who isn't Strome if they pursue Chychrun. Because that will need to be someone capable of playing 17-19 minutes a game, elevating their linemates and playing a sound 2-way game for about $4m or less a season. What do we think that player will cost via trade? Because that's about how much cap space the Rangers will have next year if they add Chychrun.

Unless they want to trade Trouba or Kreider...

 

[haohmaru]

I don't see the need for Chychrun. RW? Sure. Upgrade over Nemeth? Yes. Upgrade at Center? Yup.

I mean, Ryan Lindgren has as many points as Chychrun does and is clearly Fox's Beukeboom to Leetch. I don't see packaging a bunch of assets for that add as making a whole lot of sense.

 

[Savant]

I'm concerned with the cost to acquire a 2C who isn't Strome if they pursue Chychrun. Because that will need to be someone capable of playing 17-19 minutes a game, elevating their linemates and playing a sound 2-way game for about $4m or less a season. What do we think that player will cost via trade? Because that's about how much cap space the Rangers will have next year if they add Chychrun.

Unless they want to trade Trouba or Kreider...

They can do it by trading Kakko. You are basically giving Chychrun the raise that Kakko will be getting.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I'm concerned with the cost to acquire a 2C who isn't Strome if they pursue Chychrun. Because that will need to be someone capable of playing 17-19 minutes a game, elevating their linemates and playing a sound 2-way game for about $4m or less a season. What do we think that player will cost via trade? Because that's about how much cap space the Rangers will have next year if they add Chychrun.

Unless they want to trade Trouba or Kreider...

If they put all their chips in on Chychrun and a rental whether it's Hertl or Bonino or someone else, they probably resign Strome for next year in the 2-3 year length, let Georgiev walk/replace him with like a Charlie Lindgren type, buy out Nemeth, and Chytil, Gauthier, Rooney are not back next season replaced by Barron, cheap analytics UFA, and one of Cullye or Othmann.

 

[Avery16]

Some teams have good goaltending depth.

We aren’t one of them.

 

[Synergy27]

They can do it by trading Kakko. You are basically giving Chychrun the raise that Kakko will be getting.

What C are we getting for Kakko? What value does Kakko have around the league right now? Surely nothing we’d be happy with.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I don't see the need for Chychrun. RW? Sure. Upgrade over Nemeth? Yes. Upgrade at Center? Yup.

I mean, Ryan Lindgren has as many points as Chychrun does and is clearly Fox's Beukeboom to Leetch. I don't see packaging a bunch of assets for that add as making a whole lot of sense.

I still think the trading Lindgren or Miller talk is fan fiction. Miller has one more year on an ELC and his raise will be modest+all of the buyout money will be gone by the time he has needs a new contact.

Lindgren's new contract is a long time from now. The cap should hopefully go up a little and even if he gets a raise in the $5.5 million range, that's fair and will take him into his early 30s. Lindgren is NOT Girardi. He's a much better skater and relies much more on that/less on shot blocking.

 

[SA16]

Why is everyone here so in love with Chychrun? What has he done? He had one great season.

Calling Lindgren overrated is some contrarian bs. It's like some Pitchfork Media hipster version of being a hockey fan.

Everyone here clearly has PTSD from the Girardi contract so they're applying it to Lindgren.

Girardi
Staal
Skjei

these long term pricy deals for defensemen who aren’t strong offensively have quite the poor history

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Some teams have good goaltending depth.

We aren’t one of them.

I'm still all about signing Charlie as the backup this offseason.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Girardi
Staal
Skjei

these long term pricy deals for defensemen who aren’t strong offensively have quite the poor history

Funny enough, that long term deal for skjei got us schneider.
Staal and Girardi were locked to big long term deals into their 30's. Skjei was signed to a long deal early. Big difference.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Girardi
Staal
Skjei

these long term pricy deals for defensemen who aren’t strong offensively have quite the poor history

Different era, different team, different GM, different situation.

And they got out of Skjei who turned into Schneider.

 

[SA16]

I'm concerned with the cost to acquire a 2C who isn't Strome if they pursue Chychrun. Because that will need to be someone capable of playing 17-19 minutes a game, elevating their linemates and playing a sound 2-way game for about $4m or less a season. What do we think that player will cost via trade? Because that's about how much cap space the Rangers will have next year if they add Chychrun.

Unless they want to trade Trouba or Kreider...

they just took Ryan Strome coming off 30 point seasons in depth roles with edmonton for 3M and put him with Panarin and it worked. It’s worked in Vegas with Stephenson and karlsson. It’s worked in STL this year with barbashev. It’s worked in Minnesota this year with Hartman. They are perfectly fine getting some random fill in guy to play with Panarin and he can elevate their game. They don’t need to spend 4-5M on the role. It’s wasteful

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Funny enough, that long term deal for skjei got us schneider.
Staal and Girardi were locked to big long term deals into their 30's. Skjei was signed to a long deal early. Big difference.

The Brady Skjei story is one of those Rangers tropes that's been beaten to death. He needed Beuk as his whisperer.

Dumb player who never really changed even now. He gets a bunch of secondary assists his first full season because he played a lot with a third line that was putting up second line numbers (Miller-Hayes-Grabner) and he thought he was an offensive defenseman. He was drafted as a modern Brett Hedican, not Bobby Orr.

I can't believe no one has sat down with him in five plus seasons to review some tape.

 

[Fitzy]

I'm concerned with the cost to acquire a 2C who isn't Strome if they pursue Chychrun. Because that will need to be someone capable of playing 17-19 minutes a game, elevating their linemates and playing a sound 2-way game for about $4m or less a season. What do we think that player will cost via trade? Because that's about how much cap space the Rangers will have next year if they add Chychrun.

Unless they want to trade Trouba or Kreider...

Let's assume NYR trade for Chychrun (Chytil, Kravtsov, Robertson, pick) and don't re-sign Strome.

You've got a few ways to work with that.

1) Go out and sign an out of contract skilled center who is in a slump and looking for a prove it contract. Vinny Prospal type deal. Galchenyuk, Brassard, there are options.

2) Try to trade for an ELC center ready to step in and contribute for near league minimum the next two years. This would be expensive but we potentially have Lundkvist as a chip.

3) Look the UDFA route to try to find someone with middle 6 center potential, who just hasn't proven it at this level. Could be a top college free agent or a European mainstay. In addition, increase and promote either Morgan Barron or Goodrow to 3C permanently. If the UDFA doesn't work, simply promote from within.

Panarin-Zib-Kreider
Lafreniere-???-Kakko
Goodrow-Barron-Blais
Hunt-Rooney-Reaves

Lindgren-Fox
Chychrun-Trouba
Miller-Schneider

That's a team built around the defense. My main concern is secondary scoring- there's not much on that forward roster. I'm not sure I like that roster, much as I may like Chychrun

 

[Savant]

What C are we getting for Kakko? What value does Kakko have around the league right now? Surely nothing we’d be happy with.

You aren’t getting a C for Kakko but you can use him to get Chychrun (and Kessel) and kill two birds with one stone. Rangers aren’t getting a center. Their chance to get a center was Eichel.