Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIII - 2 months until TDL

[Synergy27]

The Rangers need to make a decision on whether or not they think these veterans can lead them to a Cup or they take one step back to move one step forward.

I don't think this veteran group is good enough playoff performers to get the job done. I see them as the "Second Round Rangers" max which is what my friends and I used to call the Rangers prior to 94.

I'm not concerned about the veteran group as a whole. I am more than happy with the production and style of Zib, Kreider, and Trouba. If our 1OA and 2OA picks were performing as expected, we wouldn't be having this conversation, and it wouldn't be such a big deal that Panarin and Strome were doing their own thing on their line.

This team isn't less skilled that GG's Vegas team or the current Vegas team. They can play that game and have success. They are being held back from playing that game by key players.

 

[Vitto79]

This. I highly doubt Schneider is going anywhere tbh.
Lundkvist is the most likely.
Even if they move Jones, they will still have trouble getting Lundkvist nhl top 4 min and opportunity plus pP time for at least another 2 years.....
Schneider plays a mans game. He makes us harder to play against. He also can move the puck and contribute offensively

i want to point out Nemeth has been paired w rookies or Nhl bubble Dmen all year

Schneider makes errors and fans say well he’s a rookie. I’ve noticed a few times where teams pressured Schneider and he gave up the puck

I’m fine w it cause the kids need to learn but it’s a factor in Nemeths play

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I'm not concerned about the veteran group as a whole. I am more than happy with the production and style of Zib, Kreider, and Trouba. If our 1OA and 2OA picks were performing as expected, we wouldn't be having this conversation, and it wouldn't be such a big deal that Panarin and Strome were doing their own thing on their line.

This team isn't less skilled that GG's Vegas team or the current Vegas team. They can play that game and have success. They are being held back from playing that game by key players.

Gallant's Vegas team was older, had more man strength, and was beefier.

Even if Laf and Kaako turn into Crosby and Jagr, the Nemeth, 3C, and Hunt positions are still a problem. I'd add McKegg to that as well but he's been playing like 2019 Canes McKegg this year which is why I was excited when they got him.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

i want to point out Nemeth has been paired w rookies or Nhl bubble Dmen all year

Schneider makes errors and fans say well he’s a rookie. I’ve noticed a few times where teams pressured Schneider and he gave up the puck

I’m fine w it cause the kids need to learn but it’s a factor in Nemeths play

Nemeth has been great is some areas like the PK and shot blocking. The problem is he is literally a black hole offensively and at moving the puck. #6-7 DMan territory but paid and getting the minutes of a #4-5.

 

[AlaBlueShirt]

Gallant's Vegas team was older, had more man strength, and was beefier.

Even if Laf and Kaako turn into Crosby and Jagr, the Nemeth, 3C, and Hunt positions are still a problem. I'd add McKegg to that as well but he's been playing like 2019 Canes McKegg this year which is why I was excited when they got him.

And the Vegas team was an expansion team. They created the culture there.
Rangers got that pretty boys look going on where they act too cool, need to humble a bit.

 

[jay from jersey]

i want to point out Nemeth has been paired w rookies or Nhl bubble Dmen all year

Schneider makes errors and fans say well he’s a rookie. I’ve noticed a few times where teams pressured Schneider and he gave up the puck

I’m fine w it cause the kids need to learn but it’s a factor in Nemeths play

that. Also, Nemeth hasn’t played with him really long enough to have any kind of chemistry.
Jones played with him in Hartford almost every game.
I know gallant doesn’t really like/want 2 rookies. But he probably should at least try that pair

 

[jay from jersey]

I think Jones is the more dynamic player. I keep him.

Robertson is going to be a very slow cooker. I'm not saying I'm giving up on him but in terms of where the Rangers are vs. what they'll need for runs AND what he offers, I think he's very likely to be dealt. He doesn't look like he'll be an NHLer full time until probably fall 2023.

I think we see Robertson in a year to year and a half at most.
And when he comes up, he forces himself to stay up.
He needs to add some weight to that big 6’4 rangey frame, but he’s another big man that moves the puck really well.
Very underrated prospect imo. He’s another guy teams would love to have on their left side

 

[RGY]

So if they get a guy w term at F doesn’t it tell Strome he’s a goner ?
I’d think a rental makes the most sense

If they get someone with money retained it could tell Strome we might be able to keep you but its going to be a team friendly deal

 

[tomobson]

Panarin/Mika/Strome The one line to float over them all. Do it GG. This is the only way to keep the majority of two duos happy. Get a second line that is willing to play the type of hockey the coach wants to see.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

And the Vegas team was an expansion team. They created the culture there.
Rangers got that pretty boys look going on where they act too cool, need to humble a bit.

Rangers and an organization have been too obsessed with "we play a complete two way game" and "hey we're great guys" nonsense since the league rebooted in 2005-06.

It was fine for a while because of the dark ages but it's time to move on and build a douchey team that punches other teams in the face and asks questions later.

 

[Crease]

Rangers and an organization have been too obsessed with "we play a complete two way game" and "hey we're great guys" nonsense since the league rebooted in 2005-06.

It was fine for a while because of the dark ages but it's time to move on and build a douchey team that punches other teams in the face and asks questions later.

The Rangers are a broadway show with something for the entire family.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Would Arizona take Nemeth in the deal?

As long as they are not on his list I don’t see why not. But I also don’t see why Arizona wouldn’t be on his list. Likely you are paying someone to take him. Seattle?

 

[EdJovanovski]

Would you guys package Laf & Kakko+ for McDavid? We're one of the only teams I think that could get it done. We have the cap space too. With how abysmal Laf & Kakko's development has been, even if they do end up good, it'll be long after prime Panarin, Mika, etc. It's like we have two half assed windows that don't line up, I'd take the risk.

Laf, Kakko, Chytil, Lundkvist, Georgiev for McDavid

We'd legitimately have the best center in the league in McDavid, best winger in the league in Panarin, best dman in the league in Fox, and best goalie in the league in Shesterkin. The great Vitali Kravtsov. Plus ridiculous depth on defense. It would be a very bold move but McDavid is going to want out and we could beat any offer here, and Laf & Kakko could very well both be total busts.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

The Rangers are a broadway show with something for the entire family.

It's funny, I had a long conversation with on Ottawa fan during the Ron Low year's about that.

It doesn't always have to be that way. Look at the 1981 Rangers who were goonery supreme but could play. Roger Neilson's teams were never that way. And I'm not going to talk about 1994 again. We all know.

 

[tomobson]

Would you guys package Laf & Kakko+ for McDavid? We're one of the only teams I think that could get it done. We have the cap space too. With how abysmal Laf & Kakko's development has been, even if they do end up good, it'll be long after prime Panarin, Mika, etc. It's like we have two half assed windows that don't line up, I'd take the risk.

Laf, Kakko, Chytil, Lundkvist, Georgiev for McDavid

We'd legitimately have the best center in the league in McDavid, best winger in the league in Panarin, best dman in the league in Fox, and best goalie in the league in Shesterkin. The great Vitali Kravtsov. Plus ridiculous depth on defense. It would be a very bold move but McDavid is going to want out and we could beat any offer here, and Laf & Kakko could very well both be total busts.

McDavid would be 3c. We can't mess with the top two duos.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

If Arizona would consider something like
Chytil + Lundkvist + Nemeth + 1st for Chychrun + Hayton
I could see the logic there. It doesn’t solve the center ice problem but that may be an off-season solution anyways.

I think this would be a very competitive offer for Chychurn straight up but with Hayton I think Arizona says no

just my two cents though

 

[Synergy27]

Would you guys package Laf & Kakko+ for McDavid? We're one of the only teams I think that could get it done. We have the cap space too. With how abysmal Laf & Kakko's development has been, even if they do end up good, it'll be long after prime Panarin, Mika, etc. It's like we have two half assed windows that don't line up, I'd take the risk.

Laf, Kakko, Chytil, Lundkvist, Georgiev for McDavid

We'd legitimately have the best center in the league in McDavid, best winger in the league in Panarin, best dman in the league in Fox, and best goalie in the league in Shesterkin. The great Vitali Kravtsov. Plus ridiculous depth on defense. It would be a very bold move but McDavid is going to want out and we could beat any offer here, and Laf & Kakko could very well both be total busts.

Salary cap. But yes, easily in a vacuum.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Salary cap. But yes, easily in a vacuum.

Yea we have some players, *cough* Trouba who would be perfect for the deal but they all have NMC's. But even making that deal, we'd be under the cap this season. Then move Strome or something, we could make it work

 

[QJL]

I’d rather try and get a Puljarvi
Can use this years cap space to take Koskinen and Turris of these hands so it costs less

Chytil , Gauthier , Georgiev to EDM

Who else are you getting rid of long term to pay Puljujarvi?

 

[Vitto79]

Who else are you getting rid of long term to pay Puljujarvi?

Nemeth. Poo won’t get a massive bump

Georgiev and Chytil also clear money out

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Georgiev doesn't have much value. He's a glorified rental because no team is going to tender the QO and he'll sign his next contract at maybe $1.5 million. He's also not that great.

Georgiev/Chytil/Kravstov is essentially the modern Roszival/Zherdev offer from when there were Heately rumors like 12-13 years ago.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I know I rave about Kravtsov until the cows come home but we must give him the chance here. He is the anti-Kakko/Laf. He has that arrogance, he has the swagger, the cockiness. He thinks he's the best. Kakko is such a timid beta. Kravtsov has all the flash, dangles, skating that all the other young kids are showing around the league that we envy and wish laf/kakko showed

 

[jay from jersey]

I know I rave about Kravtsov until the cows come home but we must give him the chance here. He is the anti-Kakko/Laf. He has that arrogance, he has the swagger, the cockiness. He thinks he's the best. Kakko is such a timid beta. Kravtsov has all the flash, dangles, skating that all the other young kids are showing around the league that we envy and wish laf/kakko showed

i wish he just went down for the 2 weeks as well. But kravy fans have to come to the realization that he’s 99.9999 % more likely to be traded then to ever put a NYR Jersey on again...
The damaged has been done. Kravy/Drury just don’t like /trust each other. And he bounced on his team twice. End of story.
I expect a trade fairly soon since he’s been playing pretty well in the KHL.
Drury likely doesn’t want to risk his value going down if he has a bad start to next season there.
I predict he’s gone by the draft, if not before that at the TDL.

 

[EdJovanovski]

i wish he just went down for the 2 weeks as well. But kravy fans have to come to the realization that he’s 99.9999 % more likely to be traded then to ever put a NYR Jersey on again

The last thing both sides have publicly said and what insiders said is that they are certainly open to reconciliation and that the goal is for him to play for the Rangers. May be lip service but who knows. I'd say it's certainly higher than a 0.0001% chance lol. The Rangers didn't need to allow him to be loaned to the KHL, they were not contractually obligated to do so. Them doing that may have been extending an olive branch and showed they were willing to work with him. They could've moved him for peanuts or let him rot, and for such a brash organization that isn't afraid to make bold moves... makes me think they're not too keen on giving up on him yet

 

[Avery16]

I know I rave about Kravtsov until the cows come home but we must give him the chance here. He is the anti-Kakko/Laf. He has that arrogance, he has the swagger, the cockiness. He thinks he's the best. Kakko is such a timid beta. Kravtsov has all the flash, dangles, skating that all the other young kids are showing around the league that we envy and wish laf/kakko showed

Well at least we still have Gauthier and Hajek.