Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXIII - 2 months until TDL

[Graves94]

Carolina is a better team than the Rangers, I think we all see that, the people that don't see that, are either blind or homers.

I think what we saw last night was a Rangers team that wasn't equipped to play a team of that quality and style.

Rangers are a perimeter team, they don't attack the front of the net, looking for rebounds, deflections, screens, etc...we're a rush team, looking for pretty goals, that's why we're a one and done team. That style is easy to defend and doesn't create sustained offensive pressure, tiring the other teams defense and allowing for secondary chances. Look at Carolina's top players, Aho, Shev, Teravainen, etc...these guys go to the front of the net along with the rest of the team, creating havoc and spending most of their shifts in the offensive zone. Look at us, Panarin is averse to going in the slot area, so is Strome, Mika...the only ones are maybe Kreider, Goodrow and the fourth line that consistently goes there (Blais would have been another guy). That's it. That's why our 5V5 stats are terrible!

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

And what if they add the 2-3 depth pieces they are missing?

This team isn't there yet. Every contender adds pieces at the deadline. You're still going to fall short.

Look, I am all for acquiring players either on contracts with term, or depth players as rentals. But giving up assets now for a big rental acquisition isn't going to be what's in this team's best interest in my opinion.

 

[RGY]

This team isn't there yet. Every contender adds pieces at the deadline. You're still going to fall short.

Look, I am all for acquiring players either on contracts with term, or depth players as rentals. But giving up assets now for a big rental acquisition isn't going to be what's in this team's best interest in my opinion.

I think its all going to come down to cost.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

We have other assets we can move. Schneider should be a keeper.

And maybe whatever potential deals are being discussed the other party doesn’t want anything but Schneider, it’s a two way street

I’m not stressing over it. If we keep Schneider, great. If he gets traded and they get back a great player, fantastic

 

[NYR Viper]

This team isn't there yet. Every contender adds pieces at the deadline. You're still going to fall short.

Look, I am all for acquiring players either on contracts with term, or depth players as rentals. But giving up assets now for a big rental acquisition isn't going to be what's in this team's best interest in my opinion.

Here’s another note, many teams acquire guys at the deadline and then re-sign them. They’re guys who the team knows they want to target in the off-season anyways so they pay a small price to get them early and have exclusive negotiating rights. TB did this with Coburn many years ago as well as Callahan. If the team likes someone who they feel they can and will sign, let’s use Jarnkrok as an example, then acquiring him is less bothersome to me. Pay the 3rd and depth prospect to get him in, see how he fits and then sign him.

 

[Vitto79]

One of Jones or Lundkvist is going. It's a matter of when and for what.

rather it be the LD Jones

Lindgren , Miller , Roberson or a vet next year

trade a D for a F

 

[Avery16]

Kinkaid is not a better option.

He’s consistent, at least. They can play a system around him.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

rather it be the LD Jones

Lindgren , Miller , Roberson or a vet next year

trade a D for a F

I think Jones is the more dynamic player. I keep him.

Robertson is going to be a very slow cooker. I'm not saying I'm giving up on him but in terms of where the Rangers are vs. what they'll need for runs AND what he offers, I think he's very likely to be dealt. He doesn't look like he'll be an NHLer full time until probably fall 2023.

 

[Fitzy]

The first few playoff games will be an experience for this group, Graves94 is right in a way, there aren't enough guys on our team right now willing to go to danger areas and take a beating. Our top 9 plays very pretty hockey but they are always, as he said, staying on the perimeter and waiting for a perfectly executed passing play to lead to a one timer or tap in goal.

There's not much space in the playoffs. NYR have streggled against hard forechecks all season long. It's been arguably the biggest weakness. Gotta simultaneously get prettier and smarter in the defensive zone, and uglier in the offensive zone. Sounds odd but there it is.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

It ain’t that deep with Valliquette

Anyone with eyes and a brain can tell the Rangers value Schneider highly. If he gets traded it’s going to be for a great player with term, not some schlub rental

My best friend who lives on the other side of the country (PST) texted me after a Rangers game last season "Valliquette looks like a big doofy moose".

I woke up to that text because of the time difference and I have not been able to take Valliquette seriously since.

 

[Vitto79]

I think Jones is the more dynamic player. I keep him.

Robertson is going to be a very slow cooker. I'm not saying I'm giving up on him but in terms of where the Rangers are vs. what they'll need for runs AND what he offers, I think he's very likely to be dealt. He doesn't look like he'll be an NHLer full time until probably fall 2023.

not every kid needs to be thrown into the fire

the whole point of Nemeth was to not Rush all the kids on LD

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

The first few playoff games will be an experience for this group, Graves94 is right in a way, there aren't enough guys on our team right now willing to go to danger areas and take a beating. Our top 9 plays very pretty hockey but they are always, as he said, staying on the perimeter and waiting for a perfectly executed passing play to lead to a one timer or tap in goal.

There's not much space in the playoffs. NYR have streggled against hard forechecks all season long. It's been arguably the biggest weakness. Gotta simultaneously get prettier and smarter in the defensive zone, and uglier in the offensive zone. Sounds odd but there it is.

I don't know whose going to get thumped worse: the Rangers, or this board.

It's going to be full emo ugly here.

 

[Sayba]

And maybe whatever potential deals are being discussed the other party doesn’t want anything but Schneider, it’s a two way street

I’m not stressing over it. If we keep Schneider, great. If he gets traded and they get back a great player, fantastic

We have many other pieces, I’m not giving him up. If that’s the dealbreaker than so be it.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

not every kid needs to be thrown into the fire

the whole point of Nemeth was to not Rush all the kids on LD

It's Jones's position to lose. He is the good cop to Schneider's bad cop.

I like Robertson, but I will be very surprised if he's still here in the fall 2023. For you older Rangers fans this seems like an Aaron Miller situation.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Here’s another note, many teams acquire guys at the deadline and then re-sign them. They’re guys who the team knows they want to target in the off-season anyways so they pay a small price to get them early and have exclusive negotiating rights. TB did this with Coburn many years ago as well as Callahan. If the team likes someone who they feel they can and will sign, let’s use Jarnkrok as an example, then acquiring him is less bothersome to me. Pay the 3rd and depth prospect to get him in, see how he fits and then sign him.

Yeah, and I'm all for a move like that. If that's our goal at the deadline, go for it.

I just don't see any point in sending premium assets to a team in exchange for a player who walks in the off season.

 

[Fitzy]

I don't know whose going to get thumped worse: the Rangers, or this board.

It's going to be full emo ugly here.

We handled the Devils sweep in 2006 after missing the playoffs for 8 years.

If it sucks, and it very well might, that's an important learning experience. There's a very small number of guys here who know what playoff hockey is like. It's like a different sport. Most of the pretty goals are scored on the man advantage. The rest of it is traffic, field position, and shot volume by virtue of throwing the puck at the net and into feet and hoping for bounces.

 

[Fitzy]

It's Jones's position to lose. He is the good cop to Schneider's bad cop.

I like Robertson, but I will be very surprised if he's still here in the fall 2023. For you older Rangers fans this seems like an Aaron Miller situation.

I think it depends.

Robertson was ort of a found money pick since he slid to us due to lack of perceived upside. He's shown potential to be a #4 at best I'd wager.

Lundkvist is going to be worth a lot more in a trade, and I've been adamant that I don't think NYR keep both Jones and Lundy. Too much redundancy.

If Jones is dealt that opens a real path to the NHL for Robertson over time- as he can slowly progress over the next 2 years such that we then make a decision about Lindgren. That said, if we trade Lundkvist, there's no real spot for Robertson unless Lindgren is somehow magically dealt early, which seems highly unlikely.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I think it depends.

Robertson was ort of a found money pick since he slid to us due to lack of perceived upside. He's shown potential to be a #4 at best I'd wager.

Lundkvist is going to be worth a lot more in a trade, and I've been adamant that I don't think NYR keep both Jones and Lundy. Too much redundancy.

If Jones is dealt that opens a real path to the NHL for Robertson over time- as he can slowly progress over the next 2 years such that we then make a decision about Lindgren. That said, if we trade Lundkvist, there's no real spot for Robertson unless Lindgren is somehow magically dealt early, which seems highly unlikely.

I think the strategy is to to trade Lundkvist or Robertson for a rental this year and the other in a roster reshaping deal this summer.

As LHD are the easiest to acquire, I'm sure the Rangers draft 700 more with the mid round picks they have the next few years.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

What's the cost for Chychrun in your scenario here?

Probably Miller, FWIW.

My offer for Chychrun and either Arizona retaining 50% or them taking Nemeth ( they’re most likely going to need contracts just to get to the floor for the following two years so I don’t see this as too far fetched) but I will compensate them for the salary.
To Arizona: Miller, their choice of (Jones or Nils) a second round 2022 pick and one of the following ( Baron, Gettinger, Pajuniemi, Rueschhof, Ronning or Richards).
It was posted that they wanted a 1st, an A prospect and a B Prospect.
Millers their first, Jones/Nils is their A prospect plus our 2nd for the salary and any forward off our current Hartford roster is their B prospect.

 

[Fitzy]

I think the strategy is to to trade Lundkvist or Robertson for a rental this year and the other in a roster reshaping deal this summer.

As LHD are the easiest to acquire, I'm sure the Rangers draft 700 more with the mid round picks they have the next few years.

If NYR are gearing up for a big package I'd rather use the pieces in that. Picture Chychrun at 40% retention from Arizona. The Yotes could get a real haul from us for that. Kravtsov, Nils, Chytil for Chychrun at 50% retention. Gives NYR the best top 4 in the league.

 

[Synergy27]

I don't know that I post enough to have any labels or narratives attached to my name, but I'm ready to formally attach myself to what I assume will be a controversial opinion. I think this team needs to find a way to move on from Panarin.

The guy is a dynamic point scorer, and incredibly fun to watch when he's on his game, there is absolutely no denying that. But, it's starting to become obvious to me that he is a key cog that is preventing this team from playing the game that GG wants to play, and the game that we see teams like FLA and CAR play and feel so jealous of. His play dictates what Strome does, in addition to whoever they try to force onto that line, and then has cascading effects on the entire lineup.

I know he has an NMC. I know this can't actually happen. But trading Panarin and plugging in the myriad assets he'd return would both balance the organizational depth chart and allow the coach to mold the roster in the image of the game he wants to play.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

If NYR are gearing up for a big package I'd rather use the pieces in that. Picture Chychrun at 40% retention from Arizona. The Yotes could get a real haul from us for that. Kravtsov, Nils, Chytil for Chychrun at 50% retention. Gives NYR the best top 4 in the league.

That would be a great deal but up front would make them even worse for this year. Have to find a way to get Phil The Hot Dog Eating Thrill in that package as well.

My point is there is only so much money and room. LHD is set. Enough prospects on the wings who will be coming up the next 1-3 years. Need to work on the center position badly.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

I don't know that I post enough to have any labels or narratives attached to my name, but I'm ready to formally attach myself to what I assume will be a controversial opinion. I think this team needs to find a way to move on from Panarin.

The guy is a dynamic point scorer, and incredibly fun to watch when he's on his game, there is absolutely no denying that. But, it's starting to become obvious to me that he is a key cog that is preventing this team from playing the game that GG wants to play, and the game that we see teams like FLA and CAR play and feel so jealous of. His play dictates what Strome does, in addition to whoever they try to force onto that line, and then has cascading effects on the entire lineup.

I know he has an NMC. I know this can't actually happen. But trading Panarin and plugging in the myriad assets he'd return would both balance the organizational depth chart and allow the coach to mold the roster in the image of the game he wants to play.

The Rangers need to make a decision on whether or not they think these veterans can lead them to a Cup or they take one step back to move one step forward.

I don't think this veteran group is good enough playoff performers to get the job done. I see them as the "Second Round Rangers" max which is what my friends and I used to call the Rangers prior to 94.

 

[Vitto79]

So if they get a guy w term at F doesn’t it tell Strome he’s a goner ?
I’d think a rental makes the most sense

 

[jay from jersey]

I don't see why they would trade Schneider. It doesn't make any sense. They moved up to get him, and he's up now to stabilize the third pair plus out of all of the RHD prospects he's looked the best by a mile.

They don't have anyone like him in their system.

This. I highly doubt Schneider is going anywhere tbh.
Lundkvist is the most likely.
Even if they move Jones, they will still have trouble getting Lundkvist nhl top 4 min and opportunity plus pP time for at least another 2 years.....
Schneider plays a mans game. He makes us harder to play against. He also can move the puck and contribute offensively