Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Doing nothing up front would be fairly disappointing. I don't blame them for not wanting to give up premium assets for a guy like Rakell, and they shouldn't do that, but they need something.

Agreed. I actually think Rakell would be a good acquisition but not for the rumored cost. Let some time drag out and maybe you can get him for a Pajuniemi/Skinner level prospect and a 2nd or something. I'd be fine with that.

This Saturday/Sunday back to back with the deadline being Monday is poor timing. Maybe whatever move Drury has to make can be made today, tomorrow or Friday.

 

[NYR Viper]

Curious what folks thought of Karlsson. Seems as if Vegas is on the edge and talk of rebuilding is gaining steam. For shits and giggles, what would folks trade for Karlsson if he were available perhaps with some salary retention? His cap hit is 5.9 thru 26-27

I say absolutely!

Chytil + is the basis of any deal

 

[mas0764]

I would very much like Drury to make a move already. Its time

I would like that move to be a fourth round pick for Kessell.

 

[NYR Viper]

Oh man, I remember the meltdown here last year when it was rumored the Rangers would give up their 1st for him

I totally forgot about that!!

 

[Machinehead]

I'm saying that Hunt and Gauthier are both dime a dozen players who could both be replaced easily and neither would be missed. Has Panarin not lived up to expectations and his contract in his 3 seasons as a Ranger?

These two things have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

 

[charliemurphy]

Depends on which Karlsson we're getting. He's been pretty pedestrian this year & completely lost the ability to finish.

However, I would think he would bounce back playing with Panarin...plus he plays a very effective 200 foot game, & other than this year, usually wins about 52% of his faceoffs, which is something we desperately need.

Forget about Salary Retention...Vegas can't afford to hold any money, they need every dime of cap space.

Ii think Vegas is a shit show and agree in thinking that Karlsson would fit the bill centering Panarin and hopefully Kakko.
I only bring up the retention because of the length but shouldn't be a deal breaker. Would feel much better with Karlsson as 2C than Strome long term. Can't have Zib and Strome down the middle.

 

[mas0764]

I don't see any deal that is imminent that would call for a first draft choice to change hands. JT Miller would be an outside possibility but beyond that it would have to be something out of left field. It is not going to be a rental of Giroux or Hertl. As much as I like both players, a trade for a rental does not merit a first draft pick.

Lundkvist is the next most viable trade chip. He may be more easily moved in the offseason and bring back higher value.

I'm fine moving a second for a real useful player (e.g. Andrew Copp if he is healthy) but I'm also looking for some value additions. I also expect the price of defensemen will drop because there is a glut in the market.

Patience, Christopher, patience.

I don't know why you would put the first rounder off limits but make Lundkvist available.

Lundkvist is likely to be a better player than the first round pick, whoever it ends up being.

 

[Machinehead]

I am not arguing but could you show me what you're looking at? Looking to get edumacated on this

Most of what he does tends to be right around standard deviation. These numbers are team relative so this indicates to me a player that follows his team. Which is fine but I think we need to get better.

Also, his worst asset is shot generation which is by far the thing the team is worst at.

I don't think it would be terrible move but you're spending assets and I just don't think it would do anything.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

These two things have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

You didn't answer the question. Has Panarin lived up to expectations and his contract in his tenure with the Rangers?

 

[NYR Viper]

Ii think Vegas is a shit show and agree in thinking that Karlsson would fit the bill centering Panarin and hopefully Kakko.
I only bring up the retention because of the length but shouldn't be a deal breaker. Would feel much better with Karlsson as 2C than Strome long term. Can't have Zib and Strome down the middle.

This has been discussed here quite a bit but Karlsson is pretty much the exact player the team should be looking at for 2C. He is a very good defensive center, good transporter of the puck, proven playoff performer, on a good contract in terms of cap hit and because of Vegas' cap constraints and many other teams running away from anything with term, along with other teams needing to shed cap in order to fit him whereas the Rangers do not, he's pretty perfect.


The concern many will bring up is his age but his contract is actually pretty ideal. He's 29, with 5 years left on his contract taking him to 34.

 

[Lion Hound]

Brooks, despite his warts, is still more credible than majority of the random twitter bullshit that is posted here.

Larry still has Sather.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Curious what folks thought of Karlsson. Seems as if Vegas is on the edge and talk of rebuilding is gaining steam. For shits and giggles, what would folks trade for Karlsson if he were available perhaps with some salary retention? His cap hit is 5.9 thru 26-27

Vegas just traded for Eichel they aren't rebuilding, and they sure as shit can't hold any cap, because see point number 1

 

[Boris Zubov]

Ii think Vegas is a shit show and agree in thinking that Karlsson would fit the bill centering Panarin and hopefully Kakko.
I only bring up the retention because of the length but shouldn't be a deal breaker. Would feel much better with Karlsson as 2C than Strome long term. Can't have Zib and Strome down the middle.

Even if Vegas wasn't so hard against the cap, it's unlikely they'd retain for so many years.

But yes, acquiring Karlsson fills a big hole. He's an excellent PKer, a severely underrated passer, & has speed to burn which we desperately need. Plus it means the Strome era in NY is over, which might be the best part of the deal.

I'd be in for Chytil + a 2nd & a prospect as the basis for a trade & negotiate from there.

 

[NikC]

I disagree. He’s made every Ranger play braver. He’s top 5 in the league in body checks. He’s an excellent team mate. We are a totally different team this year than the past two seasons. Where we were intimidated and pushed around nightly. He’s made a big difference.

I'm all for the reasons for getting him and players like him, I'm not doubting he's a good teammate, and sure maybe the guys are a little braver knowing he's around... however his "on-ice" performance has been pretty disappointing,,, He can't skate very well, I'm not seeing alot of these "hits"

I see smirks and slow skating

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Depends on which Karlsson we're getting. He's been pretty pedestrian this year & completely lost the ability to finish.

However, I would think he would bounce back playing with Panarin...plus he plays a very effective 200 foot game, & other than this year, usually wins about 52% of his faceoffs, which is something we desperately need.

Forget about Salary Retention...Vegas can't afford to hold any money, they need every dime of cap space.

Yeah, no way Vegas is retaining any salary there. I wonder what it would cost to launder it through a third team and have them retain for us. For 5 more season it seems exceedingly unlikely. I'd love Karlsson and think he'd be a good fit but at a 5.9m caphit for 5 more seasons that would be tough at that full hit.

 

[NYR Viper]

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Most of what he does tends to be right around standard deviation. These numbers are team relative so this indicates to me a player that follows his team. Which is fine but I think we need to get better.

Also, his worst asset is shot generation which is by far the thing the team is worst at.

I don't think it would be terrible move but you're spending assets and I just don't think it would do anything.

I was mainly thinking he would be inexpensive depth in lieu of guys like McKegg, Gauthier, and others for a few years.

 

[NYR Viper]

Yeah, no way Vegas is retaining any salary there. I wonder what it would cost to launder it through a third team and have them retain for us. For 5 more season it seems exceedingly unlikely. I'd love Karlsson and think he'd be a good fit but at a 5.9m caphit for 5 more seasons there's not really any way it can work.

It can work next season but it will be really tight, beyond that changes may need to be made but that's a ways off. Especially if Chytil goes the other way

 

[NikC]

We need DAgoon back in here.... he had all the bestest rumours

 

[bl02]

Drury better not trade a Nils plus a pick for Lehkonen. Or even a Cuylle or a Berard. wanna trade the second rounder sure but I'm not attaching another first round prospect or very high 2nd round prospect (which Cuylle/Berard should probably have been).

 

[DanielBrassard]

Someone here proposed Lundkvist to Vancouver for Hoglander. Edge said the Rangers had Hoglander under consideration for the Winnipeg #1 pick in 2019(acquired in the Hayes trade) before that pick was traded to the Jets in the Trouba deal.



3rd line LW. Has one more season on his ELC. $891,677. That cap number helps the Rangers next season. The Rangers can sign him to a 2 year bridge contract in 2023. No arbitration rights. The Rangers get a young forward under control. A lot can change in the next few seasons.

That was me, and this is the type of trade Lundkvist should be used in. Not sure Vancouver would be willing to make that happen though.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Yeah, no way Vegas is retaining any salary there. I wonder what it would cost to launder it through a third team and have them retain for us. For 5 more season it seems exceedingly unlikely. I'd love Karlsson and think he'd be a good fit but at a 5.9m caphit for 5 more seasons there's not really any way it can work.

His salary is not an issue as Strome's replacement. It's actually the precise number we can afford for a 2C.

I'm really curious what Vegas is going to do this summer, & I've been speculating since the Eichel rumors started that WK was the under the radar guy to be moved. Stephenson's break out makes it even more of an obvious move, IMO.

 

[Kocur26]

I think Strome is gone … they know what he is and what he isn’t …

Barron Gone

Lundkvist Gone

Gauthier Gone

Georgiev Gone

#1 pick Gone

Matt Robertson Gone

Kravstsov Gone

Possibly gone;
Kakko Othman

Big big changes are coming by the 22nd vs Jersey .

Dolan stopped the rebuild when he sht canned the JD experience.

Welcome to foot down on the pedal Stanley Cup drive hockey.

Jim Dolan wants a ring - soon.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

His salary is not an issue as Strome's replacement. It's actually the precise number we can afford for a 2C.

I'm really curious what Vegas is going to do this summer, & I've been speculating since the Eichel rumors started that WK was the under the radar guy to be moved. Stephenson's break out makes it even more of an obvious move, IMO.

Yeah, you're right. I would like it a bit more if it were closer to 5 instead of 6 but it's not terrible. I like Karlsson a lot, even when he's not scoring 40 goals lol. He's a shot generator, he plays with good pace and he's a terrific defensive center. He'd be a great 2c behind Mika. I really wonder what he would cost in a trade. Vegas is clearly not rebuilding so moving Karlsson would need to bring a good player back who can step into the lineup. Would Chytil+ be the basis for a return or would they need a more established guy?

 

[DanielBrassard]

I was mainly thinking he would be inexpensive depth in lieu of guys like McKegg, Gauthier, and others for a few years.

He'd be an upgrade there for sure, but I think there are better options available than Jarnkrok that wouldn't cost much more than he does.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Yeah, you're right. I would like it a bit more if it were closer to 5 instead of 6 but it's not terrible. I like Karlsson a lot, even when he's not scoring 40 goals lol. He's a shot generator, he plays with good pace and he's a terrific defensive center. He'd be a great 2c behind Mika. I really wonder what he would cost in a trade. Vegas is clearly not rebuilding so moving Karlsson would need to bring a good player back who can step into the lineup. Would Chytil+ be the basis for a return or would they need a more established guy?

My post above I said I'd open the bidding at Chytil & a prospect, plus a 2nd. I'd probably up that pick to a 1st to get a deal done.