Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXII

[duhmetreE]

While we angst over the Rangers, who here doesn't enjoy watching Vegas twist in the wind.

I went to the game they played here against the Coyotes two weeks agon and after the game I said to a couple of Vegas officials that if I didn't know better, I think they should be thinking about firing the coach. The team was not responding. I described it as dead team walking.

Maybe I wasn't so wrong.

the secret is too wait until it's too late so he could be the main scapegoat.... along with the injuries.

 

[tlk]

But do you win with players like that?

I don't believe the anti-hype.
There's less substance than even the ADA thrashing by certain types.
For me his professional relationship with BUF is reminiscent of all the Kessel/TOR love/hate.

On the contrary, IMHO that's exactly the kind of a player you win with.

 

[RGY]

While we angst over the Rangers, who here doesn't enjoy watching Vegas twist in the wind.

I went to the game they played here against the Coyotes two weeks agon and after the game I said to a couple of Vegas officials that if I didn't know better, I think they should be thinking about firing the coach. The team was not responding. I described it as dead team walking.

Maybe I wasn't so wrong.

Maybe they should have kept Gallant…

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Well, the rest of it was serious! Context matters.


BTW,

Not sure anyone would want to be flexing this after the way they’ve played the last few weeks

 

[RGY]

Gallant should be getting all the Jack Adams recognition. What he has been able to do this year with essentially no 3rd line and an extremely young defense is damn near impressive. He may not win, but the rest of the candidates on that list all have more established rosters. The talk is deserved

 

[TheBloodyNine]

It’s odd that the Knights are going through their second malaise like this warranting the potential firing of a pretty good coach after only 6 years in existence. Something in the water?

Impatient ownership. Foley has made a public statement (that I'm trying to find the exact quote of) that they were going to win the cup within the first 5 years of their existence.

 

[Savant]

Gallant should be getting all the Jack Adams recognition. What he has been able to do this year with essentially no 3rd line and an extremely young defense is damn near impressive. He may not win, but the rest of the candidates on that list all have more established rosters. The talk is deserved

Counterpoint - not that I necessarily agree with it:

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Counterpoint - not that I necessarily agree with it:

Yeah. The only thing this is looking at is change in points between seasons. The actual reason for those points is the goaltender. Sutter will rightfully win this.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I could be wrong but I'm not gonna be surprised when the Canucks do nothing of significance once the deadline passes. They want outrageous prices for their players who have not made them a better team (Miller excluded).

 

[Savant]

I could be wrong but I'm not gonna be surprised when the Canucks do nothing of significance once the deadline passes. They want outrageous prices for their players who have not made them a better team (Miller excluded).

I think Vancouver might just keep Miller and trade Horvat. They don’t really have to do anything though with both guys under term

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I think Vancouver might just keep Miller and trade Horvat. They don’t really have to do anything though with both guys under term

They are definitely gonna keep Miller, but I think they trade Horvat in the summer.

 

[NYR Viper]

For those that watch Vancouver play regularly, what is the opinion on Tyler Motte?

 

[Cmox]

 

[leetch99]

We'll eventually get our RW guys (back), solving 2C gonna be huge.

That is correct...don't empty the cupboards to win a round in the playoffs when we need to keep an eye out for next season and the one after ...winning that 4th game in the playoffs is not the be all to end all for us at this stage . Time is on our side . Those draft picks will get worse as we advance in play.

 

[Savant]

For those that watch Vancouver play regularly, what is the opinion on Tyler Motte?

He’s a left wing and he’s a rental. Don’t regularly watch Vancouver, but on those two reasons alone, I am probably out.

If they want a LW for bottom six, I’d look at Erne because you are getting an extra year out of him. Would probably cost less too.

The teams that rent are the teams pushing for a cup OR are pushing to get into the playoffs. The Rangers are kind of locked in so there is no reason for them to waste assets on a rental. For a guy with term that doesn’t break the bank? Sure. Not wasting assets on a rental

 

[QJL]

Lots of talk recently about Panarin & Fox's play slipping, but took no further than their BFFs. Strome & Lindgren have been largely terrible since the the calendar turned to 2022. Both guys seem like they will be truly exposed in the playoffs.

I’m willing to be patient with Lindgren. He’s been a solid middle pairing level D for 2.5 years until 2022 came along. I’m hopeful he can work through some of his challenges. We know what we have with Strome.

 

[Savant]

Lots of talk recently about Panarin & Fox's play slipping, but took no further than their BFFs. Strome & Lindgren have been largely terrible since the the calendar turned to 2022. Both guys seem like they will be truly exposed in the playoffs.

Rangers are going to ride out Strome until FA. As they should. If I was the Rangers I’m making the move to jump the line on McBain because that might be the only chance you have to get a center that they can afford and retain control on. Everyone else going to cost stupid money or stupid assets.

Lindgren could definitely wind up traded, but not going to get rid of him just to get rid of him. That being said he makes sense as being a part of a bigger deal because of his contract. Not an addition by subtraction thing exactly but movable in the right deal. Not untouchable by any means.

 

[Machinehead]

The Rangers definitely need another guy who's never seen his own zone, specifically to put with their other guys who have never seen their own zone no less.

 

[Savant]

The Rangers definitely need another guy who's never seen his own zone, specifically to put with their other guys who have never seen their own zone no less.

Connor Brown and Lehkonen. Sorted.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Rangers are going to ride out Strome until FA. As they should. If I was the Rangers I’m making the move to jump the line on McBain because that might be the only chance you have to get a center that they can afford and retain control on. Everyone else going to cost stupid money or stupid assets.

Lindgren could definitely wind up traded, but not going to get rid of him just to get rid of him. That being said he makes sense as being a part of a bigger deal because of his contract. Not an addition by subtraction thing exactly but movable in the right deal. Not untouchable by any means.

The problem with grabbing McBain now is that you have a burn a year of his contract and it's only a two year ELC, so now you're paying him after next season, doesn't line up for the Rangers. They'd rather try to get him in FA, which, let's be honest, if he makes it there we will have a good shot at.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

I would bet good American dollars that by the deadline next year, Patrick Kane is on the Rangers.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I could be wrong but I'm not gonna be surprised when the Canucks do nothing of significance once the deadline passes. They want outrageous prices for their players who have not made them a better team (Miller excluded).

They're pushing for a spot and will probably get one.

 

[JimmyG89]

I think Vancouver might just keep Miller and trade Horvat. They don’t really have to do anything though with both guys under term

I'm at the point where Vancouver is making zero moves pre-deadline. Maybe even just add a depth defender. They're playing amazing under Boudreau. A .681 clip since the change. That is essentially the Rangers point's percentage on the season. We're talking about buying.

Their changes would be coming during the summer, and that is going to be trying to trade Tyler Myers. Someone bites and the likelyhood they keep both Miller and Horvat is there. Split up Myers salary and give it to them. Miller goes to 8.25 and Horvat to 8.5. Then you move out Boeser.

If nobody bites on Myers, then one is available. The only thing is, I don't see the Rangers being able to afford either player's next contract. They're going to move Lundkvist for a center of similar stature.

Dallas is losing Klingberg most likely. That is a huge void on the right side, especially their PP. Bourque, Johnson, and Dellandrea all fit the bill as center prospects that I could see coming back in a deal. They've got to pay Robertson and Oettinger (who has been good in spite of his recent performances). They don't really have any RHD prospects in the pipeline. This is the one team I could really see making that kind of a swap.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

While we angst over the Rangers, who here doesn't enjoy watching Vegas twist in the wind.

I went to the game they played here against the Coyotes two weeks agon and after the game I said to a couple of Vegas officials that if I didn't know better, I think they should be thinking about firing the coach. The team was not responding. I described it as dead team walking.

Maybe I wasn't so wrong.

DeBoer is a clown. He is solely responsible for Vegas losing to Montreal last year in the playoffs. He managed the series as battles instead of a war. He should have taken a Fred Shero approach by wearing down the Canadians defenseman by have his team dump the puck deep and hitting Montreal’s d-men and when that wasn’t available have the puck dumped deep and force the Canadian defensemen to carry the puck 150 feet.

 

[Savant]

I'm at the point where Vancouver is making zero moves pre-deadline. Maybe even just add a depth defender. They're playing amazing under Boudreau. A .681 clip since the change. That is essentially the Rangers point's percentage on the season. We're talking about buying.

Their changes would be coming during the summer, and that is going to be trying to trade Tyler Myers. Someone bites and the likelyhood they keep both Miller and Horvat is there. Split up Myers salary and give it to them. Miller goes to 8.25 and Horvat to 8.5. Then you move out Boeser.

If nobody bites on Myers, then one is available. The only thing is, I don't see the Rangers being able to afford either player's next contract. They're going to move Lundkvist for a center of similar stature.

Dallas is losing Klingberg most likely. That is a huge void on the right side, especially their PP. Bourque, Johnson, and Dellandrea all fit the bill as center prospects that I could see coming back in a deal. They've got to pay Robertson and Oettinger (who has been good in spite of his recent performances). They don't really have any RHD prospects in the pipeline. This is the one team I could really see making that kind of a swap.

I think it’s more likely Dallas keep their young centers and try to move Seguin/Benn/etc out.

Similar to LA it doesn’t make sense for them to deal a young C for a young D. Young D much easier to get. Both teams will phase out their vets and rebuild around the young core. Not sure Bourque or Dellandrea can even stick at center either.

Also similar to LA if they want to move their young Cs it will probably be for all star level players. Not other prospects. Doesn’t make sense to do that.