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Are the Rangers going to acquire these mystery players via fairy dust? You cant just say "this is what the Rangers need to do" and not show your work.
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Are the Rangers going to acquire these mystery players via fairy dust? You cant just say "this is what the Rangers need to do" and not show your work.
There are probably decent odds Chytil makes it as center, not everyone progresses in a straight line. Tomas Hertl didnt break out until he was 24 after starting in the league at 19.
Probably a decent shout that one of Othman or Cuylle takes one of the top 9 winger roles or we use them or Chytil to fill in the blanks.
1st instead of 2nd and yea maybe. He’s not ufa so he’s getting a 1st w 2 players or 1 player and a 2nd
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Miller is a PPG player basically since joining the Canucks. Whether that was 1st line or 2nd line. Was 3rd line winger for NY with Hayes as Center. Can't remember where he was in Tampa. Certainly seems like a first line player at worst top 6 winger. There's two things that to me just doesn't fit the bill for a player that is likely going to cost a lot of assets.
1) You get him on a very affordable contract for 1 season, hopefully a playoff run and a full season next year. (Long term rental) If he continues the pace, he's likely going to get a new contract in the $8M plus range. Can the Rangers really afford that?
2) Rangers need a RW. They need LD. Miller is a lefty shot that is currently playing Center. Can he also play LW? Or if we comes here, does Strome slide to the right side? <--There's a lot of "if's" there for a team that is atop the Conference. Strome and Panarin are fantastic together. All sorts of chemistry. Why break that up when there are other options that would likely cost less that could play the right Wing position?
Could the Rangers send Strome the other way? He's a UFA at the end of the season so Vancouver likely wouldn't do that.
If the Rangers gut the shelves for a player they shouldn't have given up in the first place, DAMN! I can see the fan reaction already. Imagine the reaction if he came and didn't fit in well in the lineup?
I like the player. I just don't know if the situation is right for a return.
Reilly Smith or Phil Kessel seem to be much cheaper alternatives.
1) You get him on a very affordable contract for 1 season, hopefully a playoff run and a full season next year. (Long term rental) If he continues the pace, he's likely going to get a new contract in the $8M plus range. Can the Rangers really afford that?
2) Rangers need a RW. They need LD. Miller is a lefty shot that is currently playing Center. Can he also play LW? Or if we comes here, does Strome slide to the right side? <--There's a lot of "if's" there for a team that is atop the Conference. Strome and Panarin are fantastic together. All sorts of chemistry. Why break that up when there are other options that would likely cost less that could play the right Wing position?
Could the Rangers send Strome the other way? He's a UFA at the end of the season so Vancouver likely wouldn't do that.
If the Rangers gut the shelves for a player they shouldn't have given up in the first place, DAMN! I can see the fan reaction already. Imagine the reaction if he came and didn't fit in well in the lineup?
I like the player. I just don't know if the situation is right for a return.
Reilly Smith or Phil Kessel seem to be much cheaper alternatives.
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I still think the Rangers window doesn't even open until 2024. Think about it. In two more years:
-Laf and Kakko should be contributors entering their primes (hopefully).
-Players like Chytil and Kravtsov will either come into their own or get re-purposed.
-The defense can round out and establish themselves (so no more revolving door on the 3rd pair of "scrub and kid").
-Two years worth of playoff experience for a group that, right now, has almost NO recent playoff experience.
-A top prospect like Othmann would be breaking in as regular.
-The team could begin to phase out the journeyman bottom sixers (Rooney, Hunt, McKegg, Reaves, maybe Goodrow) with cheaper, more talented home-growns like Cuylle, Berard, and Barron.
And most importantly, since the cap is likely to make a big jump that year, they will have the space to maneuver and add a key piece to fill any holes resulting from kids not developing or something along those lines.
You could literally have something like:
Laf--Zibanejad--Kakko
Panarin--Chytil--Othmann
Kreider--Berard--Kravtsov
Cuylle--Barron--Goodrow
Lindgren--Fox
Miller--Trouba
Lundkvist/Jones/Robertson--Schneider
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Bread and Kreider would still be 32/33 years old. Zib and Trouba would be ~30 years old. Shesterkin would be 28. Everyone else would be 25 or younger. THAT'S the point where the team should be looking to move pieces for a #1 center or whatever other hole they may have. It's just too pre-mature right now. Don't sell. Buy, but within reason. A nice winger or 3c at 2nd round pick compensation. Let the kids experience playoff hockey and take it as far as they can. Let them then use that to improve next season. By the time the cap goes up, our kids will be young vets, our vets should still be very good (Zib's and Panarin's games are likely to age well, and Kreider is a machine), and we should have a new crop of kids pushing to get onto a now established, playoff-tested roster. There is no need to rush the process.
-Laf and Kakko should be contributors entering their primes (hopefully).
-Players like Chytil and Kravtsov will either come into their own or get re-purposed.
-The defense can round out and establish themselves (so no more revolving door on the 3rd pair of "scrub and kid").
-Two years worth of playoff experience for a group that, right now, has almost NO recent playoff experience.
-A top prospect like Othmann would be breaking in as regular.
-The team could begin to phase out the journeyman bottom sixers (Rooney, Hunt, McKegg, Reaves, maybe Goodrow) with cheaper, more talented home-growns like Cuylle, Berard, and Barron.
And most importantly, since the cap is likely to make a big jump that year, they will have the space to maneuver and add a key piece to fill any holes resulting from kids not developing or something along those lines.
You could literally have something like:
Laf--Zibanejad--Kakko
Panarin--Chytil--Othmann
Kreider--Berard--Kravtsov
Cuylle--Barron--Goodrow
Lindgren--Fox
Miller--Trouba
Lundkvist/Jones/Robertson--Schneider
Shesterkin
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Bread and Kreider would still be 32/33 years old. Zib and Trouba would be ~30 years old. Shesterkin would be 28. Everyone else would be 25 or younger. THAT'S the point where the team should be looking to move pieces for a #1 center or whatever other hole they may have. It's just too pre-mature right now. Don't sell. Buy, but within reason. A nice winger or 3c at 2nd round pick compensation. Let the kids experience playoff hockey and take it as far as they can. Let them then use that to improve next season. By the time the cap goes up, our kids will be young vets, our vets should still be very good (Zib's and Panarin's games are likely to age well, and Kreider is a machine), and we should have a new crop of kids pushing to get onto a now established, playoff-tested roster. There is no need to rush the process.
I've agreed with this statement since we drafted Kakko.
Not only that. Tampa was superior to CBJ in almost every single way. If they don’t get physically beat into submission by the jackets in the P/Os that year, maybe they don’t make the moves they did for goodrow/Coleman.
I think we have most of the pieces to be a solid playoff team for a while now between the farm and the big club.
Obviously this isn’t the year to push all the chips in the middle, but it’s vital to get our vets and kids in the playoffs and get them some games/hopefully wins.
I think those thinking kravtsov will be here long term isn’t really realistic.
I think you see a pretty major offseason deal.
For who or what I have no clue yet, but if an Eichel situation happens with a Larkin type, I think that’s when you see Drury pull the trigger on a big deal
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You people are crazy with these offers for JT Miller. Give me a cheaper rental please. Save our bullets for when a better player becomes available.
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Agreed. Alternatively, use those bullets to move up the draft to snag a high end center prospect.
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Miller is a PPG guy in Vancouver.
IF the Rangers acquired him, I'd expect those numbers to go down to .65 pts per game since he's not going to see much if any PP1 TOI.
Thats not to say he's not the same player, but without the prime TOI, his numbers will be more pedestrian.
I'm OK with that. Should not have traded him in the first place. It was a stupid decision by JG
IF the Rangers acquired him, I'd expect those numbers to go down to .65 pts per game since he's not going to see much if any PP1 TOI.
Thats not to say he's not the same player, but without the prime TOI, his numbers will be more pedestrian.
I'm OK with that. Should not have traded him in the first place. It was a stupid decision by JG
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As pro-buyer as I am, I do understand the hesitancy to include Chytil and Lundkvist/Jones in rental deals this year. However, with 5 picks in the first 4 rounds in 2022, the Rangers should be extremely willing to part with any of them to improve this years team. They have no realistic shot of helping the team within the next 3 years at minimum, and weve made at least 8 picks in every year since the letter went out, including 9 first rounders. Trading multiple picks, including the 1st rounder is a luxury we absolutely can afford.
Kravtsov is the other piece that will very likely be used a chip to add a rental. Anyone who thinks theres a shot of him coming back to play meaningfully with us, is living in fantasyland. Theres been no evidence that its a possibility. And even on the off chance he does come back, what does it tell the locker room if he is immediately given top 6-9 minutes despite quitting on the team for half a season? Lundkvist/Jones/Barron have all been up and down from HFD all year and have done and said all the right things waiting for their chance, and taking advantage of when it comes to help the team win. That's how you build a winning culture and clearky that means something to the organization
Kravtsov is the other piece that will very likely be used a chip to add a rental. Anyone who thinks theres a shot of him coming back to play meaningfully with us, is living in fantasyland. Theres been no evidence that its a possibility. And even on the off chance he does come back, what does it tell the locker room if he is immediately given top 6-9 minutes despite quitting on the team for half a season? Lundkvist/Jones/Barron have all been up and down from HFD all year and have done and said all the right things waiting for their chance, and taking advantage of when it comes to help the team win. That's how you build a winning culture and clearky that means something to the organization
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Nothing yet. Could change in the near future.
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I don't understand the hesitancy. Well, for rentals yes. But not for guys with at least another year. Between Lundkvist, Jones, Schneider, Othmann, Robertson, Cuylle, and such this board has like half our prospect pool as untouchable when none of those guys are top 10 prospects in the league or anything like that.
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Sources told me he's from the Czech Republic, have to get some more info on that though
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See, I'd rather keep the rental budget at our surplus assets--ie: a 2nd round pick at most.
I'd save those higher end pieces for draft day. For example, Seattle just drafted a top center, and has holes throughout their system. Say a player like Logan Cooley is on the board when they pick. Would an offer of a 1st, Lundkvist, Othmann move the needle? They drop WAY down the draft, but add real, NHL ready talent at two other positions (which are positions of strength for us). I'd rather spend those pieces to get a high end center prospect than a year and a half of Miller (or half a year of Hertl).
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This is a very specific and unlikely scenario and shouldn't affect the Front Office's approach to the deadline. With all due respect to Logan Cooley, i feel safe saying Drury isnt too focused on him or any prospect in the 22 Draft at the moment, and he absolutely wont and shouldnt use 3 first round picks to acquire him.
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I'd add Schneider to that list unless it was for a primo asset- not a guy with a year and a half left.
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Totally agree. I think certain prospects (Othmann/Schneider) are very much in the long term plans, but not all these guys are going to be here. Im also of the belief that Barron/Othmann/Cuylle/Berard are being looked at by the organization as a way to backfill the bottom 6 with players with a grit/skill combo, who can move up in the lineup as they gain experience being on a Cup Contender during this window.
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