Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXII

[Trxjw]

I’m looking at Edmonton’s top pick.

Does kreider and Pionk get you the say 10th overall pick and Jesse puljujarvi?

Do they really want another draft pick? Or do they need to make the playoffs and get Mcdavid help

Doubtful. Simply because Edmonton can't afford to deal a top-10 pick for a player they could lose in 12 months to free agency.

 

[NernieBichols]

WPG isn't matching a $8M OS, and if the Rangers have Panarin and Trouba, that 2020 1st won't be Top 10, let alone Top 3.

So put those worries to bed.

But it would cost the 1, 2, 3 in 2020 and the 1 in 2021..... for a guy that will be UFA next summer.

I don’t see an offer sheet coming for trouba. An agreed trade yes. But I think the rangers would wait on him for UFA rather than use the offersheet route and tying up those picks on him.

Keep the offersheet open for other guys.
Try to swing a trade for trouba or hope he walks himself into UFA and offer him a great contract

 

[NernieBichols]

Disagree... they don't want to trade the guy who makes it elsewhere. They'll hang onto him until at least next deadline. I think it'll Mirror the Yakupov situation.

Your not looking at Edmonton’s situation. There are in no position to wait another 2 years for the kid. The fans will destroy it with their negitivity. He’s moving this summer

 

[mrmovies779]

I’m looking at Edmonton’s top pick.

Does kreider and Pionk get you the say 10th overall pick and Jesse puljujarvi?

Do they really want another draft pick? Or do they need to make the playoffs and get Mcdavid help

If im trading Kreider,i would want more.10th pick is nice,but need a better prospect with it.

 

[NYR Viper]

Don't thing Winnipeg would.

That was my original thought, but the question is, will Trouba sign long-term in Winnipeg? If not, then his value to them is a bit lower.

 

[Barnaby]

Your not looking at Edmonton’s situation. There are in no position to wait another 2 years for the kid. The fans will destroy it with their negitivity. He’s moving this summer

Disagree. He's not moving when his value is at an all time low unless someone overpays. Do you think someone is overpaying for a guy coming off major surgery? You think trading a recent top end pick with supposed star potential for a Pionk relieves their fan base?

 

[Off Sides]

Doubtful. Simply because Edmonton can't afford to deal a top-10 pick for a player they could lose in 12 months to free agency.

I'm not so sure, Edmonton is a strange organization to begin with, I do wonder at this point how much value they are putting on their 1st round picks versus how much value they'd put on trying to make their NHL team better right away? Although I do agree they'd likely prefer a player with more term.

Outside of Edmonton, I'd question similar about Florida, Buffalo, Colorado, Arizona who could all have some picks in the ~10 thru ~14 slots, and then expand that to the teams with a little bit later picks.

 

[Matt4776]

I don't particularly want Trouba, even as a Michigan alum and hockey season ticket holder.

He's overrated, IMO. He's never been particularly good at driving play or putting up points, but he wants to be paid like an elite d-man. He's very injury prone. Rarely plays full seasons. And will cost assets in a trade.

Go get me Adam Fox. Don't care if it's this offseason via trade, or the following for free.

 

[Barnaby]

I'm not so sure, Edmonton is a strange organization to begin with, I do wonder at this point how much value they are putting on their 1st round picks versus how much value they'd put on trying to make their NHL team better right away? Although I do agree they'd likely prefer a player with more term.

Outside of Edmonton, I'd question similar about Florida, Buffalo, Colorado, Arizona who could all have some picks in the ~10 thru ~14 slots, and then expand that to the teams with a little bit later picks.

Have they traded any of their last 10-11 first rounders? I don't think so, but I could be forgetting something.

 

[Off Sides]

Have they traded any of their last 10-11 first rounders? I don't think so, but I could be forgetting something.

I don't think so, yet Edmonton has to be under some pressure to do something towards the playoffs while McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH are still young.

The other teams I think have some similar pressure just given they too have some young yet vets, that if surrounded by talent should/could turn them into a better overall team than they are.

 

[SA16]

I don't particularly want Trouba, even as a Michigan alum and hockey season ticket holder.

He's overrated, IMO. He's never been particularly good at driving play or putting up points, but he wants to be paid like an elite d-man. He's very injury prone. Rarely plays full seasons. And will cost assets in a trade.

Go get me Adam Fox. Don't care if it's this offseason via trade, or the following for free.

He has the 14th highest pts/60 among dmen the last 3 years (2000+ min, 165 players in the sample). He just doesn't have the raw totals because Byfuglien has got all the good PP time.

 

[NernieBichols]

Disagree. He's not moving when his value is at an all time low unless someone overpays. Do you think someone is overpaying for a guy coming off major surgery? You think trading a recent top end pick with supposed star potential for a Pionk relieves their fan base?

Agree to disagree.

 

[MetalJaws]

You guys think we could work Buffalo or Edm. over for some depth parts?

Something like Names at 50%, Fast and Pionk plus NYR 2nd for BUF or EDM 1st rounder this year? Both teams need depth now, not later. Maybe one would bite. Picks look to be 9-14. Couldn't hurt to try.

If we get a top 3 pick, bring over Kravtsov and sign Panarin we'll need to free up some spots. I wonder what it'll take. They both desperately want to win now and have no bottom 6 guys.

Kreider - Zib - Panarin
Chytil - Hughes/Kakko/Dach/Cozens - Buch
Vesey - LA - Kravtsov
Lemieux - Howden - Boo

 

[Mac n Gs]

Guys, Kreider isn’t getting a top-10 pick. I love him and think he’s a beast, but we’re grossly overrating how much he’s worth with one year left on his deal. The absolute ceiling for a trade at the draft might be something similar to the Grandlund deal, and I don’t even think we’d get back a player of Fiala’s caliber.

My best hope is they get something like the Muzzin deal where it’s a late 1st and 2 B-level prospects. The foundational piece stuff isn’t happening.

For the summer, if we want to offer sheet a player, try to hamstring Toronto by OS’ing Kapanen or Johnsson to one that’ll only end up costing a 2nd rounder in compensation (~$4M). They’d both easily be top-6 forwards here for the next 3+ years.

I’d want Trouba too, but I don’t see a reasonable scenario where we pay that much for him, even if he’s worth it. DET most likely goes that $8M x 5 route to bring the Michigan kid home to help solidify their d core with Trouba, Hronek, and Cholowski. I’m still amazed they didn’t opt to draft Quinn Hughes, but I can’t blame them for taking Zadina.

 

[Savant]

WPG isn't matching a $8M OS, and if the Rangers have Panarin and Trouba, that 2020 1st won't be Top 10, let alone Top 3.

So put those worries to bed.

I dont think that is guaranteed

 

[iamitter]

I don't think I'd do this, but a potential idea is Kreider for Trouba. Both up in a year. Both having career years. Both will want to be paid.
Trouba is a bit younger and a RHD.

I don't think Winnipeg needs more wingers, but it's just a thought. Hockey trade.

 

[Calad]

I’m looking at Edmonton’s top pick.

Does kreider and Pionk get you the say 10th overall pick and Jesse puljujarvi?

Do they really want another draft pick? Or do they need to make the playoffs and get Mcdavid help

Whatever they do want, they aren't trading the pick for a year of Kreider

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I dont think that is guaranteed

It definitely isn’t, and thinking it is is EXTREMELY wishful thinking.

I wouldn’t trade our 2020 first for anything outside of a McDavid or in a trade for Hughes.

 

[Off Sides]

Guys, Kreider isn’t getting a top-10 pick. I love him and think he’s a beast, but we’re grossly overrating how much he’s worth with one year left on his deal. The absolute ceiling for a trade at the draft might be something similar to the Grandlund deal, and I don’t even think we’d get back a player of Fiala’s caliber.

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I'll agree and have always agreed with that.

Yet the picks in the 10 through 14 or so range I think could be had given some of the teams who may end up in those slots may value the NHL player even with only one year term left to the prospects left by that point.

I'm not well versus in the tiers of prospects in this draft to have any opinion if that would even be worthwhile, yet I think it's plausible to maybe use Kreider to get into the mid 1st, perhaps the Rangers have to add a later pick of their own to move up, again no idea if worthwhile yet I think it's plausible.

 

[bobbop]

Put yourself in Winnipeg’s shoes for a minute. They are headed for cap hell this summer. Their history with Trouba is contentious. They have three top four right hand defensemen and Trouba is the youngest. I think they would certainly like to sign him but the reality is that if they don’t, will they hold him till the end of the 19-20 season? Can they afford him?

There’s a lot of moving parts here. My point is that if Trouba is available, I expect the Rangers to be players. Big players. I get to watch him a lot and he is a) an excellent player and b) the kind of guy you can build around. 25 year old top pair defenseman don’t come available very often. The question is will he be available?

 

[Leetch3]

No thanks. Hes gonna be in the 8 mill range. I dont think we should be trading younger players or futures at this point. If you wanna take a run at a UFA dman fine, I mean if its Trouba for Skjei, Buchnevich and a pick for 8 mill id rather just throw an offer to Karlsson for 10.5 and I'm not really a fan of that road either but atleast we keep our young players.

if we were ready to compete next year than karlsson for just $$ makes all the sense in the world. but on a rebuilding team that might not compete for a few more years, the fact that trouba is 4 years younger is a HUGE factor imo. trouba will still be in his prime when we are ready to take the next step...

 

[Matt4776]

He has the 14th highest pts/60 among dmen the last 3 years (2000+ min, 165 players in the sample). He just doesn't have the raw totals because Byfuglien has got all the good PP time.

And because he's hurt all the time.

 

[Leetch3]

WPG isn't matching a $8M OS, and if the Rangers have Panarin and Trouba, that 2020 1st won't be Top 10, let alone Top 3.

So put those worries to bed.

the ONLY way to guarantee its not a top 3 pick is if we make the playoffs...

even if we finish 14th, i've been a rangers fan long enough to know that if someone else owns our pick there is a 100,000% chance that we'd win the lottery and that team will get a top 3 pick lol

 

[Leetch3]

I’m looking at Edmonton’s top pick.

Does kreider and Pionk get you the say 10th overall pick and Jesse puljujarvi?

Do they really want another draft pick? Or do they need to make the playoffs and get Mcdavid help

i don't get the obsession with puljujarvi. if he wasn't picked 4th overall no one would even think of him. he looks like another terrible edmonton pick.

who are we getting at #10 that is worth giving up kreider? now if you aren't extending kreider then this deal is better than the one you'd make at the deadline cause then you are dealing with the 1st round pick of a playoff team. but my initial reaction is i'd rather keep kreider

 

[GAGLine]

Guys, Kreider isn’t getting a top-10 pick. I love him and think he’s a beast, but we’re grossly overrating how much he’s worth with one year left on his deal. The absolute ceiling for a trade at the draft might be something similar to the Grandlund deal, and I don’t even think we’d get back a player of Fiala’s caliber.

The devils traded the 9th overall pick for 2 years of Cory Schneider. He was 27 at the time of the trade. Kreider only has 1 year left, but goalies usually get less than skaters.

In retrospect, that was a terrible deal for the devils, but I wouldn't say it's possible that some team like Buffalo would give up their 1st round pick for Kreider. Buffalo is currently 11th worst. Florida and Edmonton will probably pass them. Hell, we might pass them.