Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXII

[GoAwayPanarin]

No they don't.

But it is possible cap-wise. Require a few roster moves.

I don't think it is, at least with not nuking the depth that we don't have.

 

[East Coast Bias]

I don't think it is, at least with not nuking the depth that we don't have.

Take my eyes but not Ryan Strome

 

[Good Intentions]

In theory, would anyone do:

Skjei + WPG 1st for Trouba?

Nobody would.

 

[Off Sides]

Trouba wouldn't cost all that. Trouba for Skjei straight up would be the deal. Skjei has 5 more years on his contract at 5.25 mil. Trouba is a pending RFA with 1 year left until he becomes a UFA. He can elect to go to arbitration, get a 1 year deal and then walk. Whatever the difference in their ability, the contract status more than makes up for it. If Winnipeg wants an add, they can try to get it elsewhere, but I don't see them getting a better offer anywhere else.

I'd think any trade would be predicated on the Rangers having an extension already agreed to? If not then it would not make much sense to trade for him given, as you said, he could just be a UFA in a year's time.

I'm not even all that enthralled with Trouba, yet youngish RD who could play top pair is a difficult thing to find. If they do find one, I think they'd want more control than a single RFA year left.

 

[Irishguy42]

I don't think it is, at least with not nuking the depth that we don't have.

Correct.

Would involve nuking Smith/Strome/Names/Shattenkirk in a combination of buyout/trades with and without retention while still giving us room for RFA resigning.

I did the armchair work on CF but don't have it on my phone. Would have to dig it up after work.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I think Gorton stays put with Skjei, Hajek,Miller, Keane, DeAngelo,Pionk, Day, Gilmour, Lundqvist, Gross and Rykov as defensive prospects and if he adds anything it will be more prospects or affordable dmen. I do think if Panarin is able to be acquired he will be sought because he is an elite scorer we may not be able to draft. With trouba we may already have a guy in our prospect pool that's equal to him, he isnt a special player, he is very good but not a game changer. I also dont feel our defensive future is as bad as it seems once Staal is gone and as long as Smith isnt there.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

In theory, would anyone do:

Skjei + WPG 1st for Trouba?

I would. Trouba is a 25 y/o RH, first pairing D. Basically Zibanejad.

Skjei is looking the type of player you can find in every draft and every other UFA class pretty easily. Plus a mid-late 20s pick? When I talk about the pendulum swinging too far towards draft picks and prospects league wide this is the type of context I mean.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Correct.

Would involve nuking Smith/Strome/Names/Shattenkirk in a combination of buyout/trades with and without retention while still giving us room for RFA resigning.

I did the armchair work on CF but don't have it on my phone. Would have to dig it up after work.

I did one a while back where I managed to fit Karlsson (12.5), Panarin (11) AND Hayes (7) AND go long on ADA (4.625) and still fit under a 83M cap. Didn't even have to move Smith. Bridged Buch and Lemieux.

Moved Shatty, Skjei, Vesey, Names, Strome and Pionk without retaining on anyone.

Even did the math long-term and that team can stay together through expansion drafts and UFA/RFA extensions without any issues.

The best part is that half of our best prospects can bust without it compromising us much.

 

[Blue Blooded]

In theory, would anyone do:

Skjei + WPG 1st for Trouba?

In a second. Don't think Winnipeg touches it though.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

In theory, would anyone do:

Skjei + WPG 1st for Trouba?

Yes, if WPG was lower than we thought and it couldn't get us back towards the top of the draft with additional assets added to it.

 

[Off Sides]

Would have to know what the extension for Trouba would be.

If he is going to go one year through arbitration, and wants to hit the UFA market, Skjei alone may even be too much.

I'm not enthralled with either player, but if Trouba walks next off-season and the Rangers traded Skjei for him, that certainly is not good asset management.

 

[RGY]

I dont know about giving up Skjei and a 1st for Trouba. He is a pretty even keeled player in terms of fancy stats but nothing all worldly.

Skjei’s corsi/fen/pdo/etc are not far off from Trouba. They are close in age, and Trouba has had the benefit of playing on better WPG teams compared to NYR teams over the last 3 years. He is going to command a pretty penny. Likely more than we are paying Skjei. He is definitely better than Skjei but is he that much better to not only pay him but give up Skjei +? I have been the biggest Skjei hater this year and even i am skeptical. The other added benefit is Trouba is RHD and way more physical.

 

[Edge]

I’m going to speculate out loud that if Winnipeg can’t get Trouba under contract by July 1, they will resign Myers and shop Trouba. They really don’t have much choice. There’s always been a question about how happy he has been in Winnipeg. There’s a history of contentious negotiation. If he’s leaving Winnipeg, I’m sure the Rangers will be at the head of the line. The Jets need lower cost players. Skeji, Buchnevich and some other younger (likely unavailable) players would be in demand.

A healthy Trouba is a nice player. And if he passes 70 games, that will mark twice since the start of Obama's second term in office.

 

[Trxjw]

I have a really hard time seeing the Rangers offer sheeting anyone that involves a 1st in 2020. Watching a team walk away with Lafrenière after trying to "accelerate" things would be a huge egg on Gorton's face.

Trouba is a really good player but he's hardly the difference between a playoff team and a lottery pick. Especially if you only get 60 healthy games out of him and your second line center is Ryan Strome.

 

[Barnaby]

I’m going to speculate out loud that if Winnipeg can’t get Trouba under contract by July 1, they will resign Myers and shop Trouba. They really don’t have much choice. There’s always been a question about how happy he has been in Winnipeg. There’s a history of contentious negotiation. If he’s leaving Winnipeg, I’m sure the Rangers will be at the head of the line. The Jets need lower cost players. Skeji, Buchnevich and some other younger (likely unavailable) players would be in demand.

I'd be happy with a deal for Trouba around Skjei deal, but I'm guessing that Chevy wants futures or quality guys on an ELC... I don't think the Rangers should move either right now. I don't see it.

 

[NernieBichols]

I will still take chances with a 19 year old Chytil. When he gets to the level of futility that Pool Party has gotten to at his age, we can revisit this conversation. To me, Chytil is progressing just fine for a 19 year old.

I agree with this. I was thinking about it after saying I’d probably include chytil with the rangers 1st for #2OA.

Chytil’s 19 and is 6’4/6’5. He’s skinny and lanky. Yet he’s played how many games this season. And sometimes he looks lost and he gets knocked on his butt a lot. But the kid who some fight in him and a ton of skills to round out. If he just gets getting stronger and playing in the NHL and keeps fighting and learning how to play without the puck, I can’t see him not breaking out at some point into a 50pt guy.

If he starts getting injured and taking a licking and he don’t have the stomach or taste to keep competing and playing a certain way and becomes shy to it, than I’ll be worried

 

[Off Sides]

Every year offer sheets are speculated, every year between zero and two happen. Since the cap I think there have been like 8 total where like 7 of them were matched.

 

[NernieBichols]

Puljujarvi has moved to my do not touch list

Hip surgery at his age is a no go

Edmonton will never get fair value for him, they’ll sell for 25 cents on the dollar

I think the other way around. Knowing now his problems probably stemmed by being pushed into a position too early while having this physical issue affecting his play and physical development. Take a flyer, get his body right and give him a chance. I’m actually more interested in him now than before knowing this

 

[NernieBichols]

Cant believe people want to add Poolparty. And you guys crap on Pionk.
Pionk has 2 less points in his career in 54 less games than pool party.. just for some perspective.
I really dont understand the pionk hate. Considering this is basically his rookie year and he was a UDFA, he's progressing fine.

The reason to do something like that is fit. Pionk helps Edmonton. But maybe with deangelo emerging and a clear need to find a top4 RD this summer and all the prospects coming up. That pionk’s gonna be an odd man out.
While taking a flyer on pool party could end up being a nice little score.

 

[NernieBichols]

Edmonton probably wants to take a look at him when he's back to 100%. I'm not sure if there's any thought that his issues could be partly due to his injury. I'd take a look at him for .50 cents on the dollar, but they'll likely want a quality asset at this point. By the time they move him, he'll probably be so far down the road that he'll fetch a 4th.

Bet my pants again he’s moved in the summer. Edmonton’s not the place for what’s in front of poolparty. It’s gonna take him a while to get right and the right conditions. Edmonton fans don’t have the patience to see that right now, it will just just get worse there and they will rush him back and he won’t be ready or contribute and it will be flushing what’s left of his chance and value

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I think Gorton stays put with Skjei, Hajek,Miller, Keane, DeAngelo,Pionk, Day, Gilmour, Lundqvist, Gross and Rykov as defensive prospects and if he adds anything it will be more prospects or affordable dmen. I do think if Panarin is able to be acquired he will be sought because he is an elite scorer we may not be able to draft. With trouba we may already have a guy in our prospect pool that's equal to him, he isnt a special player, he is very good but not a game changer. I also dont feel our defensive future is as bad as it seems once Staal is gone and as long as Smith isnt there.

Agree with this, Dpipeline looks strong and out of the 11-12 younger guys, we should find 6 good apples or at least 5 and get a solid FA vet D.

We should sign Panarin, he’s elite and guys like that don’t come on the market much. We can move 1 of Names, Vesey, Strome to make room.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

In theory, would anyone do:

Skjei + WPG 1st for Trouba?

Don't thing Winnipeg would.

 

[NernieBichols]

Interesting, I guess stranger things have happened. I just think a few other teams would beat Skjei +. Suppose if Trouba really played hardball about where he would extend maybe that changes the equation.

Trouba would have to want to sign with any team for them to give up much. I’m not directing this at you, but people really need to realize that stuff determines landing spots, returns, etc when these guys are a year or so away from UFA.
Teams know whether a guy will resign or not, or know if they have a chance they feel good about. And if they can’t resign him, they are either offering rental prices or not interested.

 

[Kovalev27]

I’m looking at Edmonton’s top pick.

Does kreider and Pionk get you the say 10th overall pick and Jesse puljujarvi?

Do they really want another draft pick? Or do they need to make the playoffs and get Mcdavid help

 

[Barnaby]

Bet my pants again he’s moved in the summer. Edmonton’s not the place for what’s in front of poolparty. It’s gonna take him a while to get right and the right conditions. Edmonton fans don’t have the patience to see that right now, it will just just get worse there and they will rush him back and he won’t be ready or contribute and it will be flushing what’s left of his chance and value

Disagree... they don't want to trade the guy who makes it elsewhere. They'll hang onto him until at least next deadline. I think it'll Mirror the Yakupov situation.