Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXII

[effen]

If Chytil becomes a 50 point forward, everyone should be thrilled. I never understood the expectations of him becoming a legit 1st liner.

It's part of why going forward the rebuild should take its entire course and we should tank as much as is reasonable next year. I don't see Lias or Chytil being "legit" top liners on a cup team. Still need a few more kicks at the can for a few more forwards.

 

[duhmetreE]

I'm not pleased with Chytil's progression and think both of them have shown ~nothing to indicate they will be top-liners. D:

The way he handles the puck, as if he's never played hockey before, is concerning.

Effort has been better. I'd like him to just find soft spots to shoot from

 

[duhmetreE]

If Chytil becomes a 50 point forward, everyone should be thrilled. I never understood the expectations of him becoming a star.

I never thought he would be a star.. but what I've see is glimpses of 'oh shit he's amazing' to 'wtf he has colton orr hands'.

His puck control is inexcusably bad, no matter the age.

 

[Barnaby]

I'd rather use Pionk as currency at the draft to move up somewhere.
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I don't really think that Pionk has much value at all. I don't see anyone trading down in the draft to add him to their stable.

I think he's going to be a AAAA type of talent in the end

 

[Barnaby]

Hughes or Kakko are not happening. Byram is far and away my top choice.

Namestnikov at $2.5 would make for a very good 3rd line wing, with the way he is playing right now

I agree with you here. Bowen Byram is probably the most realistic 'top option.' I'd love to add him, then hopefully trade up to grab a second 1st rounder in the low teams to get whichever young forward drops that they have their eyes on. Newhook? Turcotte? Podkolzin?

 

[True Blue]

He scored at a better rate than Chytil in the AHL in his 18 year old season and the same rate in the NHL at his 19 year old season. Maybe you would expect his production to be better given he was a higher pick but you can't really say he has shown nothing yet simultaneously be pleased with Chytil's progression.

I will still take chances with a 19 year old Chytil. When he gets to the level of futility that Pool Party has gotten to at his age, we can revisit this conversation. To me, Chytil is progressing just fine for a 19 year old.

 

[Fitzy]

It's part of why going forward the rebuild should take its entire course and we should tank as much as is reasonable next year. I don't see Lias or Chytil being "legit" top liners on a cup team. Still need a few more kicks at the can for a few more forwards.

I do, however, see Kreider and Zibanejad as top liners on a cup team, provided the rest of the team is solid as well.

 

[True Blue]

I agree with you here. Bowen Byram is probably the most realistic 'top option.' I'd love to add him, then hopefully trade up to grab a second 1st rounder in the low teams to get whichever young forward drops that they have their eyes on. Newhook? Turcotte? Podkolzin?

Any of them. Throw in Zegras as well. That would be my dream scenario. But as of right now, what would the price be to trade from late twenties (Jets pick) to top-15 to grab one of the forwards that drops? Certainly more than the Jets pick and a second rounder.

 

[Barnaby]

Any of them. Throw in Zegras as well. That would be my dream scenario. But as of right now, what would the price be to trade from late twenties (Jets pick) to top-15 to grab one of the forwards that drops? Certainly more than the Jets pick and a second rounder.

Hopefully the TB pick pans out. I'd potentially trade the two firsts for the mid-low teens pick, and maybe a 2nd or 3rd in 19 or 20. I guess it depends how much they like whomever they are targeting. I'd be willing to swing at a guy with higher end potential at this point in the rebuild.

 

[TheTakedown]

I'm not sure that I've ever been less interested in a player that keeps coming up here than I am with Pulujärvi. I just don't get it. He's been on probably the easiest team in the league to be a young winger on - you can play with McDavid or Drai if you're decently talented and there's virtually no competition. Despite that he hasn't proven much. Having said that, he's really young still so it's not the end all be all.

But now he's getting surgery on both hips. If we were to trade for him he should be regarded as a cherry on top, not a main piece at all for anyone imo.

Pool party is getting double hip surgery??

EDIT: Found a tweet:


This could explain why he's been so bad... how has it taken the training staff in Edmonton this long to figure it out though!?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I don't really think that Pionk has much value at all. I don't see anyone trading down in the draft to add him to their stable.

I think he's going to be a AAAA type of talent in the end

I think he deserves to be in the NHL to some capacity. We also have to remember that he is just a 23 year old kid with 85 games on his NHL resume. A young, right handed dmen that has already shown he can produce in this league has value.

Not a fan of him personally but I think he can be bundled at the draft, maybe to move up a couple of spots if he's paired with WPG's or (hopefully) TB's late 1st's.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't really think that Pionk has much value at all. I don't see anyone trading down in the draft to add him to their stable.

I think he's going to be a AAAA type of talent in the end

He was highly sought after as a UDFA, chances are someone who was after him would still take a crack at him.

I mean look at Griffin Reinhardt.

 

[duhmetreE]

I know I've brought this up before.. maybe too aggressively.. but Ruff needs to go. The defense has been a shit show since he's taken over.

I get it, help Quinn ease in... Someone else needs to be here next year.

 

[Fitzy]

Also- Vesey most certainly has trade value. He's looking at a 40 point season.

It might not be much more than a low 2nd round/high 3rd round pick, but he absolutely has value.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Also- Vesey most certainly has trade value. He's looking at a 40 point season.

It might not be much more than a low 2nd round/high 3rd round pick, but he absolutely has value.

I bet Edmonton would be thrilled to have him.

 

[Ola]

I think Valiquette pointed it out several games ago that Names has to lift the puck on his shots. After that I have noticed that as well, he gets a lot of scoring opportunities but it seems that he is always shooting into the goalies pads. Its definitely something to work on.. Maybe even changing his stick or blade angle.

I just think that in general, he makes many good plays but the decision making isn’t close to where it must be. He makes so many no-no plays during 60 minutes, fails to have patience when he should be patient, fails to execute fast when he has no time, throws a back hand E-W at the absolutely wrong time, and so forth. Like it’s one thing to fumble the execution, some does it more than others, but it’s not the tremendously disruptive. It happens all the time, and you are prepared for it. But at this level, when you have a guy that is all over the place in his decision making, you ‘never’ know what he is going to do, it’s really disruptive. His teammates are skating around wondering what he is going to do next instead of focusing on the right things.

He is a terrific skater and stickhandler, but the thought process is just not there. He has been scratched 4 times this season, that is a lot for a 27 y/o vet. Definitely hope that he is moved at the draft. If it was up to Quinn, we would probably give him away.

 

[mike14]

Also- Vesey most certainly has trade value. He's looking at a 40 point season.

It might not be much more than a low 2nd round/high 3rd round pick, but he absolutely has value.

I always kind of feel that guys like Vesey (and Names/Strome etc) are best used at the draft being paired with your own draft picks to move up and gain picks from teams like Arizona et al who struggle to attract FAs and other 'veteran' players to play with their draft picks. So can Vesey and late 2nd/early 3rd get you up to the end of the 1st/early 2nd round?

 

[dumpin]

I just think that in general, he makes many good plays but the decision making isn’t close to where it must be. He makes so many no-no plays during 60 minutes, fails to have patience when he should be patient, fails to execute fast when he has no time, throws a back hand E-W at the absolutely wrong time, and so forth. Like it’s one thing to fumble the execution, some does it more than others, but it’s not the tremendously disruptive. It happens all the time, and you are prepared for it. But at this level, when you have a guy that is all over the place in his decision making, you ‘never’ know what he is going to do, it’s really disruptive. His teammates are skating around wondering what he is going to do next instead of focusing on the right things.

He is a terrific skater and stickhandler, but the thought process is just not there. He has been scratched 4 times this season, that is a lot for a 27 y/o vet. Definitely hope that he is moved at the draft. If it was up to Quinn, we would probably give him away.

He does get a lot of shots though Just noticed what Valiquette said was right on. I could live with the hope of him developing further but not at 4M per.

 

[Alluckks]

I'd rather keep Vesey than get some random late 2nd or a 3rd

 

[Machinehead]

I'd rather keep Vesey than get some random late 2nd or a 3rd

Wouldn't have agreed with this a year ago, but I'm on board with this now.

Vesey is an NHL player.

 

[Barnaby]

I think he deserves to be in the NHL to some capacity. We also have to remember that he is just a 23 year old kid with 85 games on his NHL resume. A young, right handed dmen that has already shown he can produce in this league has value.

Not a fan of him personally but I think he can be bundled at the draft, maybe to move up a couple of spots if he's paired with WPG's or (hopefully) TB's late 1st's.

I don't disagree with that. He could be 'part' of a deal or go for a mid-late rounder. I took the poster as meaning he'd be a big part of moving up in the first round which I just don't see.

 

[Barnaby]

He was highly sought after as a UDFA, chances are someone who was after him would still take a crack at him.

I mean look at Griffin Reinhardt.

Those players have nothing in common whatsoever.

He may have some value as a part of a deal, but no one is trading down in the 1st round just to add Pionk. He's a 3rd pairing guy at absolute best, and I honestly don't think he's doing that on a contender.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Puljujarvi has moved to my do not touch list

Hip surgery at his age is a no go

Edmonton will never get fair value for him, they’ll sell for 25 cents on the dollar

 

[darko]

Puljujarvi has moved to my do not touch list

Hip surgery at his age is a no go

Edmonton will never get fair value for him, they’ll sell for 25 cents on the dollar

The fact they'll probably sell him for 25 cents on the dollar makes him intriguing. You add him for peanuts, let him heal and see what you have.

 

[darko]

Wouldn't have agreed with this a year ago, but I'm on board with this now.

Vesey is an NHL player.

Absolutely. Nothing wrong with having Vesey on your bottom 6.