Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXII

[True Blue]

Namestnikov is a decent player for $2.5m-$3m. Let someone else pay him $3.5-4m.

At his current production level. But if he improves next year, then the later amount is more viable.

 

[True Blue]

I tend to agree, hypothetically would some team offer him 3.5M for 4 years? And if so should the Rangers go near that sort of contract for him given all the prospects they will likely have who may be able to replace him over the next 4-5 years?

Not where he is producing. Drop it to $2.5 and you got yourself a deal. Unless of course, his offensive acumen goes up for the rest of this year and next.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I’m sorry the other thread was closed because I would have liked to respond to a number of posts as well as point out a few things.

For starters, a few of you need to spend some serious time with CapFriendly and better understand the Rangers cap situation. The Rangers have just short of $62MM tied up in cap charges for next year, a little over $40MM in 20-21 and a grand total of $11.7MM committed (to all of two players) in 21-22.

So why do I expect and recommend some of the things I am talking about.

Smith is worthless to this team. He cannot crack the top 6 on defense. If the Rangers buy him out this summer, they save $3.4 MM on the cap for next year and another $1.2MM the following year. Yes they will incur charges of over $1MM for the following two years but the expectation is that they will have a large number of entry level contracts in those years.

Next, I think it is a fairly safe assumption that Namestnikov and Strome will not be making what they are currently making if they are still with the team. That saves $ in 20-21 and beyond.

I want Panarin for a number of reasons. He’s an exciting electric player. His presence, along with Chytil, Kravtsov, Mika and (hopefully Kreider) gives the Rangers a chance of having two solid lines. He’s an excellent locker room guy and he would be a mentor to Buchnevich (if he isn’t traded), Sherstykin, Kravtsov, Rykov and Georgiev. There’s real value there.

And as for bridges, Pionk and Lemieux are obvious. Buchnevich is a maybe (maybe) based on a lot of things starting with how he plays the rest of the season, what happens with Kreider and where the Rangers end up in the lottery. If I had to make a guess today, I’d vote no on a longer contract. D’Angelo simply hasn’t shown me enough over a long period of time to say yes to anything beyond a bridge. I like his offensive instincts. Defensively, he’s a third pair guy. He’s come a long ways this year. He still has a long way to go.

And even if Buchnevich and D’Angelo have excellent years while bridged, the Rangers still have the leverage of two seasons before their become UFA to get deals done. Plus they will have plenty of money available 21-22.

And finally, I think the Rangers need to trade for a top four defenseman. I don’t know who that is and I’m not sure where that deal originates but to me it is necessary. It will likely involve using 1 or 2 current roster players. I could give you a handful of speculation but better just to define the need because I have no idea who will be available.

And for the person who asked the last UFA to be the cornerstone player on a Stanley Cup Champion was Zdeno Chara. You could also add Dominic Hasek of the Red Wings to that list.

I agree with everything here. Also, I would make the argument that Marian Hossa played a bigger part in the Hawks SC wins than people realize. Granted, he was signed to a contract that would be deemed illegal today but I don't think they have 3 cups in 5 years without him.

 

[NYR Viper]

I was thinking more along the lines of a hockey trade. Trouba swap, assuming Trouba doesn't have insane demands

I like Skjei but I think Rykov, Lindgren and Hajek can make it a seamless transition. It's just making use of assets

I agree and I see a guy like Claesson as being a nice depth piece on the left side. There are guys available on the left side pretty regularly.

 

[dumpin]

HEALTH UPDATE TO THE FELLOW HFNYR FAMILIA - I’m sharing the news that I have gone through a bit of a health emergency since this past weekend. Another scare and reminder of ones mortality. I am now stable and on the path to a full recovery. I have been receiving excellent medical care at the hospital in Biaystok (Poland), and am deeply grateful for all the amazing work and dedication of my doctors, nurses and hospital staff, it is truly remarkable to see. The “Chefs”, well not so much, but not in a position to complain.

The main cause of this Health emergency was that I was suddenly and without warning profusely bleeding through my nose, due to a ruptured vein, whilst having breakfast. This was likely onset by several combined factors - including hypertension and a previous injury to the nose. After one prompt visit to the ER and a temporary respite, the heavy bleeding continued for over 24 hours. The intake of blood thinning medicine prescribed by the hospital and doctors, due to my heart condition after the bypass surgery in 2016, compounded the situation and I lost over one third of my blood (mostly in my own stomach) before the bleeding could finally be stopped. Not very tasty, it must really “suck being a Vampire” ‍. This has all led to a few complications that should soon be remedied and I expect to leave the hospital before the end of the week.

I sat and played around last night being bored to death surrounded with agonized souls and this is what I came up with. Still taking opioids so that might be reflected here and there…

CONTINUING THE REBUILD

2019 Offseason Trades

1. Chris Kreider and Neil Pionk or Jimmy Vesey are traded to Edmonton for Jessi Pulujärvi, Kirill Maksimov, the #8 pick in 2019, plus a conditional lottery protected 1st in 2020 (upon EDM resigning Kreider)
2. Brendan Smith (50 % of salary retained) is traded to Trauntah ML for Pierre Engvall and a 2020 3rd round pick
3. Brady Skjei and Neil Pionk or Jimmy Vesey are traded to Winnipeg for Jakub Trouba in the summer

2020 TDL Trades
Kevin Shattenkirk dealt (50% at the TDL 2020) to a happy go lucky GM
Check the market for UFAs Strome, Names, Fast and Claesson and bite if there are any satisfactory deals to be made

2019 UFA Firings

• Connor Brickley walks
• Rob O’Gara, John Gilmour, Dustin Tokarski and Chris Nell walk

2019 UFA Signings

• UFA Wayne Simmonds signs for 2 years at MAX 5 M per year
• NCAA UFA Taro Hirose signs ELC for 2 years at $925.000 per year
• NCAA UFA Bobo Carpenter signs ELC for 2 years at $925.000 per year

2019 RFA signings

• Pavel Buchnevich resigns at $3,000,000 for 3 years
• Anthony DeAngelo resigns at $3,000,000 for 3 years
• Brendan Lemiuex resigns at $2.400.000 for 3 years
• Jessi Pulujärvi resigns at $1.800.000 for 2 years
• Fredrik Claesson resigns at $1.000.000 for 1 year

• Vinni Lettieri resigns at his qualifier
• Chris Bigras resigns at his qualifier
• Brandon Halverson resigns at his qualifier
• Julius Bergman resigns at his qualifier (if he stays in NA?)

Remaining Prospect Signings

• Vitali Kravtsov signs ELC for 3 years at $925.000
• Igor Shestyorkin signs ELC for 2 years at $925.000
• Yegor Rykov signs ELC for 2 years at $803.333
• Patrik Virta signs ELC for 2 years at $736,667

Final Offseason Signings

• A Euro ”swing for the fences” fwd FA
• A borderline NHL reclamation project fwd
• A long shot goalie (an AHL deal?)

A few career AHLers with experience, grit and size

2019 NHL DRAFT

• NYR LOTTERY PICK - One of Jack Hughes/Kaapo Kakko/Dylan Kozans is drafted by NYR at #1-3 overall and he then signs an ELC for 3 years at $925.000
• Edmontons acquired #8 pick is used on drafting defenseman Bowen Byram and he then signs an ELC for 3 years at $925.000

My mock draft of remaining draft picks for 2019 (9)
#24 (1st round Winnipeg) - Brett Leasson - Prince Albert (WHL) - fwd - Shoots R
#31 (1st round SC Winner Tampa Bay) - Albin Grewe - Djurgården (SHL) - fwd - Shoots L
#38 (2nd round NYR) - Josh Williams - Medicine Hat Tigers (WHL) - fwd - Shoots R
#48 (2nd round Dallas) - Yegor Afanasyev - committed to Michigan State/NCAA - fwd - Shoots L
#69 (3rd round NYR) - Ilya Mironov - Yaroslavl/KHL - defense - Shoots L
#115 (4th round Columbus) - Michael Gildon - committed to Ohio State/NCAA - fwd - Shoots L
#131 (5th round NYR) - Kari Piiroinen - Windsor Spitfires/OHL - goalie - shoots L
#162 (6th round NYR) - Hugo Alnefelt - HV71/SHL - goalie - shoots L
#208 (7th round Vancouver via trade) - Mike Koster - committed to U of Minnesota/NCAA - defenseman - Shoots L
#208 (7th round Columbus) - Lucas Feuk - Södertälje SK/Allsvenskan - fwd - shoots L

2019/2020 NYR LINEUP
Names - Zib - Buch
Chytil - One of Hughes/Kakko/Kozans - Simmonds
Kravtsov - Howden - Pulujärvi
Lemieux - Strome/Andersson - Fast
Bo

Hajek - Trouba
Staal - ADA
One of Byram/Rykov - Shattenkirk
Claesson

King
Georgiev

TOTAL NYR CAP NUMBERS
SALARY CAP: $83,500,000
SALARY HIT: $70.050.833
BUYOUTS (Dan Girardi): $3,611,111
RETENTION: $900.000 (1 year - Ryan Spooner) + $2,175,000 (2 years - Brendan Smith)
STASHED IN MINORS (Bellesky): $925.000
SALARY HIT WITH BUYOUTS/RETENTION...:$77.661.974
CAP SPACE: $5.838.056
DEADLINE SPACE: $???
14 FWD - 7 D - 2 G
AVERAGE AGE ~ 25 years

HARTFORD LINEUP…
Maksimov - Virta - Engvall
Carpenter - Fogarty - Lettieri
Gropp - Hirose - Meskanen
Fontaine - Gettinger - Bellesky
Ronning, Leedahl (ECHL?)

One of Rykov/Byram - Raddysh
Crawley/Day - Lindgren
Keane - Bigras

Bergman (SHL?)

Shestyorkin
Halverson
Pickup

Add some AHL fodder as per usual

Unsigned prospects in 2019/2020 (23)
Tyler Wall - NCAA
Adam Huska - NCAA
Olof Lindbom - SHL
Kari Piiroinen - SM LIIGA
Hugo Alnefelt - SHL

K'Andre Miller - NCAA
Nils Lundkvist - SHL
Nico Gross - OHL
Tarmo Reunanen - SM LIIGA
Jacob Ragnarsson - ALLSVENSKAN
Calle Själin - ALLSVENSKAN
Simon Kjellberg (Bust) - USHL
Ilya Mironov - KHL
Mike Koster - NCAA

Riley Hughes - NCAA
Morgan Barron - NCAA
Lauri Pajuniemi - SM LIIGA
Brett Leasson - WHL
Albin Grewe - SHL
Josh Williams - WHL
Yegor Afanasyev - NCAA
Michael Gildon - NCAA
Lucas Feuk - ALLSVENSKAN

2020 NYR Draft Picks (10 or 11)

• 1st round NYR
• 1st round Edmonton (conditional if Kreider resigns)
• 2nd round NYR
• 3rd round from Dallas (conditional 1st round pick if Zucc resigns)
• 3rd round NYR
• 3rd round TML
• 4th round NYR
• 5th round NYR
• 6th round NYR
• 7th round NYR
• 7th round Nashville Predators
• (7th round Vancouver Canucks traded for a 2019 Vancouver R7 pick)

Basically I like the breakdown.... I have just a few points for discussion.


1. I don't think Edm. does the Krieder deal unless we put in Skjei , and Trouba would cost more if Skjei is sent to Edm.. Tough for Edm to give up consecutive first rounders especially since they are not one or two players away from a cup run.

2. I would like to see the Rangers sign Gilmour for next year and play him on the wing. I don't think he is very good Dman but 17 goals as a Dman in Hartford interest me. Move him up and give him a yr and see what develops. Inexpensive move and Hartford is a good place to experiment.

3. Don't like Simmonds. His game has gone downhill. The nagging injuries are coming, and 5M is a no go. Even short term.

4. I am not as optimistic about getting one of the top draft spots, lol. I see us at #8 picking Matt Boldy

5. Other than time there is no solution for Staal, Lundquist, Shattenkirk, In the case of Staal and Lundquist once great Rangers that have seen the game pass them by, and they are blocking the development of others in this rebuild.

6. I like your mock 2019 draft. I like Grewe at the bottom of the first or hopefully early second round.

 

[True Blue]

2. I would like to see the Rangers sign Gilmour for next year and play him on the wing. I don't think he is very good Dman but 17 goals as a Dman in Hartford interest me. Move him up and give him a yr and see what develops. Inexpensive move and Hartford is a good place to experiment.

Defensemen as wings rarely work out. And the Rangers have a glut of forwards that they need to squeeze into the top 9.

$5m, no. But $2.5 per, for two years?

4. I am not as optimistic about getting one of the top draft spots, lol. I see us at #8 picking Matt Boldy

Absolutely nothing wrong with emerging with Boldy at that spot or even at 7. Would love to get him.

5. Other than time there is no solution for Staal, Lundquist, Shattenkirk, In the case of Staal and Lundquist once great Rangers that have seen the game pass them by, and they are blocking the development of others in this rebuild.

You had me, until the Henke part. Who is he blocking? And he may not be who he once was, but he is still a very good goalie.

 

[Ola]

Names just don’t get it, the IQ isn’t there. I agree that he from a game to game perspective probably can produce well enough to warrant a spot on the team, but I also think that he has a negative impact on the team as a whole since you just can’t count on him making the right decisions. But the kid is really skilled, but that isn’t enough...

 

[dumpin]

$5m, no. But $2.5 per, for two years?

Absolutely nothing wrong with emerging with Boldy at that spot or even at 7. Would love to get him.

You had me, until the Henke part. Who is he blocking? And he may not be who he once was, but he is still a very good goalie.

True Blue, Generally I agree on defenseman switching up front but he has proven that he can score. I think he has the second most goals on the Hartford team as a weak Dman. I think with his speed its worth a look. Not many forwards in Hartford are filling the net.

Not interested in Simmonds and I think he will probably get more in the marketplace and I don't want to be one of those bidders.

Henke is taking time away from Georgie... and a 8.5 million drain. Henke is or would be a very expensive backup. tough to justify. .I don't get all of the issues with bringing over players from Russia but I would also have had Shestyorkin over ASAP. It kills me to see Henke and Staal struggle to maintain the level they once played with. More so with Staal as Henke does have flashbacks to better days.

I really like the idea of picking up a Boldy or if lucky enough Kakko/Hughes but more and more I like Byram if we are at the top... I know another LD but I really like the kids game.

 

[dumpin]

Names just don’t get it, the IQ isn’t there. I agree that he from a game to game perspective probably can produce well enough to warrant a spot on the team, but I also think that he has a negative impact on the team as a whole since you just can’t count on him making the right decisions. But the kid is really skilled, but that isn’t enough...

I think Valiquette pointed it out several games ago that Names has to lift the puck on his shots. After that I have noticed that as well, he gets a lot of scoring opportunities but it seems that he is always shooting into the goalies pads. Its definitely something to work on.. Maybe even changing his stick or blade angle.

 

[effen]

Names just don’t get it, the IQ isn’t there. I agree that he from a game to game perspective probably can produce well enough to warrant a spot on the team, but I also think that he has a negative impact on the team as a whole since you just can’t count on him making the right decisions. But the kid is really skilled, but that isn’t enough...

it's literally the opposite. his skills don't equal his IQ

 

[effen]

anyway, there's nowhere near enough depth even with this coming years draft to try to accelerate the rebuild. Need at least one more year of dump + asset accumulation before the upward swing.

 

[True Blue]

I really like the idea of picking up a Boldy or if lucky enough Kakko/Hughes but more and more I like Byram if we are at the top... I know another LD but I really like the kids game.

Hughes or Kakko are not happening. Byram is far and away my top choice.

I think Valiquette pointed it out several games ago that Names has to lift the puck on his shots. After that I have noticed that as well, he gets a lot of scoring opportunities but it seems that he is always shooting into the goalies pads. Its definitely something to work on.. Maybe even changing his stick or blade angle.

Namestnikov at $2.5 would make for a very good 3rd line wing, with the way he is playing right now

 

[haveandare]

I'm not sure that I've ever been less interested in a player that keeps coming up here than I am with Pulujärvi. I just don't get it. He's been on probably the easiest team in the league to be a young winger on - you can play with McDavid or Drai if you're decently talented and there's virtually no competition. Despite that he hasn't proven much. Having said that, he's really young still so it's not the end all be all.

But now he's getting surgery on both hips. If we were to trade for him he should be regarded as a cherry on top, not a main piece at all for anyone imo.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Can we sign
Breadman
EK
Duchene

is there room under the cap?

Thats a quick rebuild!

If any of this occurs, then Sather is still influencing things.

 

[True Blue]

I'm not sure that I've ever been less interested in a player that keeps coming up here than I am with Pulujärvi. I just don't get it. He's been on probably the easiest team in the league to be a young winger on - you can play with McDavid or Drai if you're decently talented and there's virtually no competition. Despite that he hasn't proven much. Having said that, he's really young still so it's not the end all be all.

But now he's getting surgery on both hips. If we were to trade for him he should be regarded as a cherry on top, not a main piece at all for anyone imo.

Don't get it either. Aside from the fact that he was a high pick, what is enticing about him? He has shown next to nothing. Now granted, I know that we traded for another high pick that has done nothing in Strome, and he has been coming around. But Strome was not the major piece of a major trade. To me, Pulujärvi represents little more than an throw in right now. Especially given the surgeries.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Can we sign
Breadman
EK
Duchene

is there room under the cap?

Thats a quick rebuild!

No there isn't.

Thats also a failed rebuild

 

[SA16]

Don't get it either. Aside from the fact that he was a high pick, what is enticing about him? He has shown next to nothing. Now granted, I know that we traded for another high pick that has done nothing in Strome, and he has been coming around. But Strome was not the major piece of a major trade. To me, Pulujärvi represents little more than an throw in right now. Especially given the surgeries.

He scored at a better rate than Chytil in the AHL in his 18 year old season and the same rate in the NHL at his 19 year old season. Maybe you would expect his production to be better given he was a higher pick but you can't really say he has shown nothing yet simultaneously be pleased with Chytil's progression.

Puljujarvi AHL 18 years old - 12-16-28 in 39 games.
Chytil AHL 18 years old - 11-20-31 in 46 games

Puljujarvi NHL 19 years old - 12-8-20 in 65 games (13:22/game)
Chytil NHL 19 years old - 10-11-21 in 62 games (13:46/game)

 

[duhmetreE]

Pionk for Poolparty

 

[effen]

He scored at a better rate than Chytil in the AHL in his 18 year old season and the same rate in the NHL at his 19 year old season. Maybe you would expect his production to be better given he was a higher pick but you can't really say he has shown nothing yet simultaneously be pleased with Chytil's progression.

I'm not pleased with Chytil's progression and think both of them have shown ~nothing to indicate they will be top-liners. D:

 

[nyr2k2]

Pionk for Poolparty

Sure, I'd do that. Although this hip surgery stuff is concerning.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

He scored at a better rate than Chytil in the AHL in his 18 year old season and the same rate in the NHL at his 19 year old season. Maybe you would expect his production to be better given he was a higher pick but you can't really say he has shown nothing yet simultaneously be pleased with Chytil's progression.

Puljujarvi AHL 18 years old - 12-16-28 in 39 games.
Chytil AHL 18 years old - 11-20-31 in 46 games

Puljujarvi NHL 19 years old - 12-8-20 in 65 games (13:22/game)
Chytil NHL 19 years old - 10-11-21 in 62 games (13:46/game)

Who would you rather have on your team next season (hip aside) Chytil or Puljarvi?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'd rather use Pionk as currency at the draft to move up somewhere.

I know, Established NHL ready talent vs a pick but I'd rather have our guys take a shot at someone they like rather than taking a shot on someone else's whiff.

I'm not pleased with Chytil's progression and think both of them have shown ~nothing. D:

We know.

 

[effen]

We know.

Hey, I amended what I said!

I like Chytil fine, but I don't think he'll ever hit the levels others do. I see a 30-20-50 player in his prime which is pretty much Kreiders production.

I just don't ignore the obvious

 

[Leetch3]

Is Trouba at age 25 too old for us to be trading for?

I'd like to see us in on him

trouba is the PERFECT age for us. you can't have all kids on the blueline...

the potential issues are the asking price in a trade, his healthy history and the HUGE contract he's gonna get...if he's healthy and on the ice as the #1 rhd its worth the contract but if he's hurt and/or not putting up points that contract becomes a killer

but i'd be all over it if he's available. not sure why the jets would move him though

 

[Drew4u]

Hey, I amended what I said!

I like Chytil fine, but I don't think he'll ever hit the levels others do. I see a 30-20-50 player in his prime which is pretty much Kreiders production.

I just don't ignore the obvious

If Chytil becomes a 50 point forward, everyone should be thrilled. I never understood the expectations of him becoming a star.