Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXII

[NYR Viper]

I'm listening to the 31 Thoughts podcast and Eliotte is mentioning the idea of Ottawa overpaying on short term deals for UFA's as they have the cap space and need to both add cap and vets. This same scenario would make A TON of sense for the Rangers. I've mentioned guys like:

Brian Boyle
Colin Wilson
Anton Stralman (if the Rangers trade Shattenkirk)
Derek Brassard
Wane Simmonds
Patrick Maroon
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare

Basically, the Rangers would sign a few of these guys on 1-2 year deals at higher cap hits to keep their term down and have future assets at future deadlines.

 

[Kovalev27]

Kreider Mika buchnevich
Vesey Chytil Kravtsov
Lemieux Howden Strome
Smith Lias Fast
Nieves

Where do you see a need for additional forwards? This isn’t even including namestnikov or Panarin

 

[Off Sides]

The short term UFA market, tough to tell, usually those who end up not signed for a while past July 1st start to lower their asking price, so I'm thinking until that works itself out the Rangers are probably out of it if they are limiting the term to 1 or 2 years.

I assume since there was interest in trading for some of those guys at the deadline, most are going to get some sort of offers as soon as UFA period opens.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I'd bring Brassard back for a year to keep the pressure off of Lias and Howden. I see Chytil as a winger moving forward.

 

[True Blue]

I think Namestnikov and Strome will probably be here next season, see if trades can be made they will be. Strome at least will be a RFA at the end of his contract, would not be surprised to see him extended but I think that, and price very much depends on how he does next season.

In case you haven't noticed, and judging by the attendance you haven't, Strome has very slowly and quietly been improving his game. Maybe Quinn was the one to be able to extract his ability from him? Who knows? But I would like to see if he can continue to progress in a linear manner.

Same with Namestnikov, though believe it or not, I think that Strome may be a better offensive player. MAY. As of right now, I think it is worth to see what they can do next year. As of right now, neither is worth their price tag. BUT if they progress more, maybe they are re-upped for similar dollars. If they do not progress that much offensively, they can resign for lesser amounts. Both have turned their games completely around.

 

[True Blue]

I'm listening to the 31 Thoughts podcast and Eliotte is mentioning the idea of Ottawa overpaying on short term deals for UFA's as they have the cap space and need to both add cap and vets. This same scenario would make A TON of sense for the Rangers. I've mentioned guys like:

Brian Boyle
Colin Wilson
Anton Stralman (if the Rangers trade Shattenkirk)
Derek Brassard
Wane Simmonds
Patrick Maroon
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare

Basically, the Rangers would sign a few of these guys on 1-2 year deals at higher cap hits to keep their term down and have future assets at future deadlines.

What i am most interested in is the Rangers having room on defense for both a Hajek and Lindgren to have opportunities. Which probably removes signing any defenseman UFAs. I could see Smith being kept around (and really, who is trading for that contract?) as someone who is doing exactly the role that he has been doing. 4th line wing and drops back to D when there is a need. After that comes a way that both Howden & Anderson have top-9 roles. As does a Ryan Strome.

Would not mind a Boyle for a 4th line and maybe Simmonds on a short term deal. Veteran leadership is needed, but the Rangers also need to find a way to have the kids be afforded top-9 opportunities.

 

[Off Sides]

In case you haven't noticed, and judging by the attendance you haven't, Strome has very slowly and quietly been improving his game. Maybe Quinn was the one to be able to extract his ability from him? Who knows? But I would like to see if he can continue to progress in a linear manner.

Same with Namestnikov, though believe it or not, I think that Strome may be a better offensive player. MAY. As of right now, I think it is worth to see what they can do next year. As of right now, neither is worth their price tag. BUT if they progress more, maybe they are re-upped for similar dollars. If they do not progress that much offensively, they can resign for lesser amounts. Both have turned their games completely around.

Strome I agree has been better, he has a year left on his current deal which ends with him being a RFA, I could see the Rangers looking to extend him but it will be based on what he does next year, as will the term/cap hit.

Namestnikov also has a year left but will be a pending UFA, unless he is willing to take a pay cut I don't think he is retained, and even if I don't think the Rangers are going to commit to a long term, I think he will end up traded at some point between this off-season and next deadline and will end up on the UFA market after.

 

[Edge]

In case you haven't noticed, and judging by the attendance you haven't, Strome has very slowly and quietly been improving his game. Maybe Quinn was the one to be able to extract his ability from him? Who knows? But I would like to see if he can continue to progress in a linear manner.

Same with Namestnikov, though believe it or not, I think that Strome may be a better offensive player. MAY. As of right now, I think it is worth to see what they can do next year. As of right now, neither is worth their price tag. BUT if they progress more, maybe they are re-upped for similar dollars. If they do not progress that much offensively, they can resign for lesser amounts. Both have turned their games completely around.

Agree.

And here's the thing, if both guys are ideal bottom six forwards who know their role, and do it well, that's incredibly useful.

It's not always going to be about popping in 20 goals and 40-50 points, it'll be about building a functional team. Neither guy would be the first to set personal-best offensive numbers early in their career, before settling into a less glamorous, but important role.

Right now, Strome would project to about 17 goals and 34 points over an 82 game season with the Rangers, and Names would come in with 12 goals and 32 points. If they can become fixtures on a solid third line, that would be awesome.

 

[NYR Viper]

Strome I agree has been better, he has a year left on his current deal which ends with him being a RFA, I could see the Rangers looking to extend him but it will be based on what he does next year, as will the term/cap hit.

Namestnikov also has a year left but will be a pending UFA, unless he is willing to take a pay cut I don't think he is retained, and even if I don't think the Rangers are going to commit to a long term, I think he will end up traded at some point between this off-season and next deadline and will end up on the UFA market after.

Strome, to me, has been an absolute gem as a depth forward. The guy plays wing and center, RHS, PK and PP. He has some skill and plays a nice physical game when needed. Compared to how he looked in the wasteland that is Edmonton, he looks rejuvenated.

As far as the previous comment in regards to the LD's, I would be on the look out to move Skjei if there was a comparable player in an area of need coming back, be it RD, center or wing.

 

[True Blue]

Agree.

And here's the thing, if both guys are ideal bottom six forwards who know their role, and do it well, that's incredibly useful.

It's not always going to be about popping in 20 goals and 40-50 points, it'll be about building a functional team. Neither guy would be the first to set personal-best offensive numbers early in their career, before settling into a less glamorous, but important role.

Right now, Strome would project to about 17 goals and 34 points over an 82 game season with the Rangers, and Names would come in with 12 goals and 32 points. If they can become fixtures on a solid third line, that would be awesome.

Couldn't agree more. Have those two (with the proper salary levels) with a Lemieux as a third line? Sign me up.

 

[Savant]

I'm listening to the 31 Thoughts podcast and Eliotte is mentioning the idea of Ottawa overpaying on short term deals for UFA's as they have the cap space and need to both add cap and vets. This same scenario would make A TON of sense for the Rangers. I've mentioned guys like:

Brian Boyle
Colin Wilson
Anton Stralman (if the Rangers trade Shattenkirk)
Derek Brassard
Wane Simmonds
Patrick Maroon
Pierre-Edouard Bellemare

Basically, the Rangers would sign a few of these guys on 1-2 year deals at higher cap hits to keep their term down and have future assets at future deadlines.

I don't know why it took NHL teams so long to figure this out

 

[Off Sides]

Just not sure I see Namestnikov just taking a pay cut without seeing what he could get on the UFA market first.

Which brings up the timing, that would be after this off-season, all of next year including that deadline and the 2020 draft.

If the Rangers can find no takers or return, perhaps they do end up offering to extend him at less, yet I'm not sure what his motivation towards signing that would be without going on the market first to see if he can get more than that.

I guess the question is, what could he get as a on the market UFA at that point? Rangers would have to offer something that comes close to whatever that would be at that point I'd assume.

 

[True Blue]

I guess the question is, what could he get as a on the market UFA at that point? Rangers would have to offer something that comes close to whatever that would be at that point I'd assume.

He would have to do a lot more scoring to justify even his current price tag.

 

[Off Sides]

He would have to do a lot more scoring to justify even his current price tag.

I tend to agree, hypothetically would some team offer him 3.5M for 4 years? And if so should the Rangers go near that sort of contract for him given all the prospects they will likely have who may be able to replace him over the next 4-5 years?

If he could get that, and if he was not already on the Rangers would anyone really be advocating for that signing?

I don't dislike him, or Fast for that matter but there is a point where these guys sort of price themselves out given they are just not top 6 forwards and at best should probably be bottom 6 if not 4th line.

Vesey is another interesting one, if he does not settle in as good top 6 soon, the same sort of questions are going to apply.

 

[NYR Viper]

I tend to agree, hypothetically would some team offer him 3.5M for 4 years? And if so should the Rangers go near that sort of contract for him given all the prospects they will likely have who may be able to replace him over the next 4-5 years?

If he could get that, and if he was not already on the Rangers would anyone really be advocating for that signing?

I don't dislike him, or Fast for that matter but there is a point where these guys sort of price themselves out given they are just not top 6 forwards and at best should probably be bottom 6 if not 4th line.

Vesey is another interesting one, if he does not settle in as good top 6 soon, the same sort of questions are going to apply.

This all depends on where the team is at and where their immediate cap is going to be in the next few seasons from when they hit UFA. Teams with some cap space and younger players playing in the top-6 may be able to justify spending a bit more for a good 3rd line.

 

[Winston2018]

Can we sign
Breadman
EK
Duchene

is there room under the cap?

Thats a quick rebuild!

 

[duhmetreE]

Can we sign
Breadman
EK
Duchene

is there room under the cap?

Thats a quick rebuild!

Never go full Sather

 

[nyrage]

I tend to agree, hypothetically would some team offer him 3.5M for 4 years? And if so should the Rangers go near that sort of contract for him given all the prospects they will likely have who may be able to replace him over the next 4-5 years?

If he could get that, and if he was not already on the Rangers would anyone really be advocating for that signing?

I don't dislike him, or Fast for that matter but there is a point where these guys sort of price themselves out given they are just not top 6 forwards and at best should probably be bottom 6 if not 4th line.

Vesey is another interesting one, if he does not settle in as good top 6 soon, the same sort of questions are going to apply.

The Rangers have had a history of overpaying guys they might lose in FA. Trade them for whatever they can is better than over-paying them on their next deal. Namestnikov is a decent player for $2.5m-$3m. Let someone else pay him $3.5-4m. I wouldn't blink twice losing him.

We were in tough spots with Staal and Smith. In hindsight, letting them go would have been the best move. I can't wait to clear out all these bums on defense.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Can we sign
Breadman
EK
Duchene

is there room under the cap?

Thats a quick rebuild!

They’d be the Minnesota Wild in no time flat

 

[Ghost of jas]

Can we sign
Breadman
EK
Duchene

is there room under the cap?

Thats a quick rebuild!

It’s as if the last year didn’t happen.

 

[Off Sides]

This all depends on where the team is at and where their immediate cap is going to be in the next few seasons from when they hit UFA. Teams with some cap space and younger players playing in the top-6 may be able to justify spending a bit more for a good 3rd line.

Sure, yet I think the term has to be pretty short if they are overspending for 3rd liners.

Similar to the idea about the Rangers maybe spending more to get a shorter term older player who could be useful or could be traded as a rental, I kind of think that also applies to the younger guys who are pretty questionable to be in a teams top 6F.

 

[duhmetreE]

Is the writing on the wall for Skjei? Too many cheaper alternatives.. Last year, this time, I said the same about Hayes.. He made it complicated with his play and the lack thereof of his 'replacements'... but the difference is Skjei has term.

Could Skjei land a top10-15 pick?

 

[Kovalev27]

I don’t think the question on Skjei comes up until Miller or a better prospect starts pushing for his ice time. We aren’t there yet. Skjei is a good player playing for a bad team

 

[NYR Viper]

Is the writing on the wall for Skjei? Too many cheaper alternatives.. Last year, this time, I said the same about Hayes.. He made it complicated with his play and the lack thereof of his 'replacements'... but the difference is Skjei has term.

Could Skjei land a top10-15 pick?

I would've very seriously considered the deal Montour returned at this deadline for Skjei. Or something along those lines.

 

[duhmetreE]

I would've very seriously considered the deal Montour returned at this deadline for Skjei. Or something along those lines.

I was thinking more along the lines of a hockey trade. Trouba swap, assuming Trouba doesn't have insane demands

I like Skjei but I think Rykov, Lindgren and Hajek can make it a seamless transition. It's just making use of assets