Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXII

[RGY]

Fans wanting to win or lose a game has no effect on if the game is won or lost.

Our roster is bad. We’ve shipped out Stepan, McDonagh, Miller, Nash, Grabner, Zucc and Hayes all primarily for futures.

This is us losing.

Apparently its not enough for some. We should trade Zibanejad too even though he is 25/26 and producing as a #1 center on a bad team. We should deal Kreider because he is 27 and is due a new contract. In fact we should just forfeit all of the games and not show up.

Somehow its not ok this team has won games with the kids they have recently drafted getting NHL minutes already. Chytil, Lias, Howden (obviously not drafted by us but a 1st rounder). Hajek looked damn good. Lindgren shouldve gotten a longer look. Georgiev has been good. ADA looks like he is finally figuring it out. Same with Buchnevich.

Those are things you want to happen. Those are good signs.

If we dont end up with the 1-2 pick then so be it. I like Turcotte, Dach, Cozens. All would be great options. If we finish in the 7-8 slot i think Gorton trades up to 4-5. Thats why he wanted as many picks on hand as possible imo.

Also no surprise to the Panarin speculation on the Bobfather’s part. The signing isnt so much intended for next years roster but the ‘20-‘21 roster. That one would be year 2 for Kravtsov. Year 3 for Chytil. Lias. Howden. Etc. This year’s 1st rounder could be on that team. Tons of talented depth. Could be year 2 of Rykov and Hajek with Lundkvist getting close. Miller joining towards the end of the year after his Junior year at Wisconsin.

2020-2021. That is the push.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Technically, no it isn’t since we’d still have the retention if we traded Strome.

You know, technically.

That retention then carries over to whoever we acquire

 

[nyr2k2]

Technically, his cap hit for us is 4m, since we retained salary on Spooner's deal for the exact amount between both AAVs, and the contracts expire the same summer

RB was responding to someone talking about moving Strome, so I assume he's using Strome's hit if we were to move him, which would include us keeping our retention.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

RB was responding to someone talking about moving Strome, so I assume he's using Strome's hit if we were to move him, which would include us keeping our retention.

Oh, I missed that

 

[Tawnos]

That retention then carries over to whoever we acquire

Yeah, but technically no

 

[kovazub94]

I always love when they start inventing terms and phrases. It makes it feel like a kiddie show:

"Boys and girls, today's phrase of the day is 'soft rebuild'. That's when your GM isn't stupid enough to come out and say, 'Yeah, this is going to take time. You may want to consider not investing in season tickets or jerseys for a while', and when a team magically finds a path forward that allows them to only require two years to get things in order."

Just once, I'd love for Gorton to come and say, "Yeah, rebuilding sucks and it takes a while. It requires a lot of patience and there aren't any shortcuts. And for all the middle-management people out there who can't reach the top of their own professions, but who hop online and somehow know how to manage a $1.55 billion sports franchise, could you please sit down and shut the **** up? You ain't that knowledgeable. Please stop auditioning for the psychic friends network and trying to read the tea leaves 'bout what I'm saying. Get back to your job and stop trying to front like you'd be even mildly successful at doing what I do. I've seen your trade proposals and prospect rankings. You don't know me, you can't touch me, and you sure as hell can't be me. In fact, the only thing you've convinced me is that access to birth control options should never be in question in this country, and that I wish your parents had chosen differently. Because your life should've stayed capped in the bottle of Jack your pops was drinking, when he caught a glimpse of your mother as she finished up her set at the club that Tuesday morning."

And Gorton should do a mic drop and swagger out of the press conference.

BEST. SEASON. EVER.

WHAT. JUST. HAPPENED????

But seriously Gorton has given all information that's needed and he's not going to go through every hypothetical situation to further explain what he would or would not do in a specific situation as part of the rebuild.

When Gorton mentions that he will try to accelerate the rebuild he first and foremost means obtaining pieces that are closer than prospects that will be drafted in upcoming drafts. For some people it automatically means signing UFAs. Why? What about prospects from the recent past drafts that are expected to join NHL soon (e.g. Hajek and Howden a year ago)? What about young pros that just got on a scene but maybe can't get an opportunity to fully showcase on a deep team (e.g. Lemieux)? What about players that needed a change of scenery or a better fit or coaching? What about RFAs that can't get signed by their teams due to cap issues?

UFAs should NOT be automatically excluded but this is not an exclusive mean to acceleration, and if we are talking Panarin - pursuit to his signing should be contingent on at least 2-3 other steps taking place.

 

[Thirty One]

That retention then carries over to whoever we acquire

Highest paid conditional pick in the league.

 

[SA16]

An NHL GM job is not particularly difficult and I think the evidence of that is pretty obvious. The main qualification is generally "was a former player"

 

[effen]

Bob McKenzie is in the entertainment business. He provided entertainment to some podunk radio station broadcasting all the way out to Beaver Crotch, BC with 12,000 Lumens of POWER. POWER 970 The Marmot.

Why people with actual entertainment options give a nainamo bar what that mothercanucker says is beyond me.

 

[nyr2k2]

I misread the team last year and thought they'd try to accelerate the rebuild then. Now that I'm hearing what I was thinking reported as reality, it's exciting. I hope they due try to accelerate things. This team has been bad for a large portion of my life (yet is my most successful team, LOL) and if we can responsibly get back into contention within the next two years, I think that's great.

 

[Edge]

I misread the team last year and thought they'd try to accelerate the rebuild then. Now that I'm hearing what I was thinking reported as reality, it's exciting. I hope they due try to accelerate things. This team has been bad for a large portion of my life (yet is my most successful team, LOL) and if we can responsibly get back into contention within the next two years, I think that's great.

I'm reminded of the popular phrase, "We can do it quick, or we can do it right."

And in my experience, there's a hell of a lot more truth to that than most people realize, or may want to acknowledge. Unfortunately.

 

[Rangers in 7]

I misread the team last year and thought they'd try to accelerate the rebuild then. Now that I'm hearing what I was thinking reported as reality, it's exciting. I hope they due try to accelerate things. This team has been bad for a large portion of my life (yet is my most successful team, LOL) and if we can responsibly get back into contention within the next two years, I think that's great.

the last 9 years have competitive teams in like 8 of those...cup contenders like 3 or 4 of those years, what are you talking about?

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm reminded of the popular phrase, "We can do it quick, or we can do it right."

And in my experience, there's a hell of a lot more truth to that than most people realize, or may want to acknowledge. Unfortunately.

The phrase I hear is:

We can do it cheap, we can do fast, or we can do it well. Pick two of the three

 

[Thirty One]

the last 9 years have competitive teams in like 8 of those...cup contenders like 3 or 4 of those years, what are you talking about?

Reasonably sure he's older than 9.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I'm reminded of the popular phrase, "We can do it quick, or we can do it right."

And in my experience, there's a hell of a lot more truth to that than most people realize, or may want to acknowledge. Unfortunately.

The good thing, at least from my vantage point, is the it appears Gorton is more concerned with doing it right.

 

[Edge]

Trouba is good but I suspect he wants to be paid like he’s great.

That’d be a regrettable move I’d bet. Not very interested in him.

For me Trouba is a guy who skates in that somewhat high-risk zone of who we want him to be as a player on the Rangers, and who he'd actually be.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

An NHL GM job is not particularly difficult and I think the evidence of that is pretty obvious. The main qualification is generally "was a former player"

I think this is one the most ridiculous posts I’ve ever read.

 

[nyr2k2]

the last 9 years have competitive teams in like 8 of those...cup contenders like 3 or 4 of those years, what are you talking about?

....my fandom (and life) is a lot longer than the past eight or nine years? I said they're the most successful team I root for. Unfortunately I've been rooting for them for much longer than the time frame you mention.

 

[Edge]

The phrase I hear is:

We can do it cheap, we can do fast, or we can do it well. Pick two of the three

Yeah, I think we've seen how the fast and expensive approach has turned out for us.

 

[effen]

For me Trouba is a guy who skates in that somewhat high-risk zone of who we want him to be as a player on the Rangers, and who he'd actually be.

I love him, but he's played 1 full season ever in 5. Can't be paying #1 money for a guy who's only there 3/4 of the time.

 

[nyr2k2]

I'm reminded of the popular phrase, "We can do it quick, or we can do it right."

And in my experience, there's a hell of a lot more truth to that than most people realize, or may want to acknowledge. Unfortunately.

Yeah, and I'm not advocating just doing it quick for the sake of doing it quick. But if the team thinks they can make some reasonable signings (Panarin or otherwise), move some picks around, and evaluate their current players/prospects and move on them, quickly enough to become a good team by 20-21? I'm happy to hear that.

I'm somewhat skeptical, but I like what we've done so far and have no reason to think Gorton is going to f*** it up.

 

[Rangers in 7]

....my fandom (and life) is a lot longer than the past eight or nine years? I said they're the most successful team I root for. Unfortunately I've been rooting for them for much longer than the time frame you mention.

i get that, i assumed you have rooted for them for much longer but the team has been cup contenders for long stretches of time over the past 20-30 years

obviously they havent been able to win a cup since 94 but i dont think accelerating a rebuild that is beginning to bear some fruit is the way to go

@Thirty One

 

[nyr2k2]

Yeah, I think we've seen how the fast and expensive approach has turned out for us.

This is true, but when have we ever done what we've done the past two years? Or even going back to the Stepan deal. This is atypical for the Rangers. I recall one substantial selling of assets that I think most of us knew even at the time we screwed up. They've taken a smart, measured approach the past few seasons and maybe will do it again next year, or at least leading up to this draft. So if we were to try to go a little faster, spend some money, I don't know that it's really fully comparable to the past since the build up was so different.

 

[NYR Viper]

I just want to re-state that just because Gorton may try to start building this off-season doesn't mean the team all of a sudden starts mortgaging the future to compete again. There is nothing that says they an't sign Panarin this off-season and then deal Shattenkirk, Fast and Namestnikov at the deadline to get more futures. The question is, would Panarin be a good long-term piece for this organization. If the answer is yet, sign him

 

[nyr2k2]

i get that, i assumed you have rooted for them for much longer but the team has been cup contenders for long stretches of time over the past 20-30 years

obviously they havent been able to win a cup since 94 but i dont think accelerating a rebuild that is beginning to bear some fruit is the way to go

@Thirty One

It seems a lot of people subscribe to the thought process in bold. I don't know how you could feel strongly about that without knowing exactly what it would entail.