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Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXXI

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fm said:
It's very simple. You have the best D in the league on an ELC. Best goalie in the league making peanuts. You have Mika making half what he's worth. Strome too (way better than he gets credit for here). You have prime Panarin, Kreider, Trouba. PLENTY of cap room.

For one year. One. Year.

Push the chips into the center of the table and let's fking go.

And I'm typically the guy who HATES the 'bold moves' that sacrifice the future for the present.
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If we could get a real 2c and not give up any prime assets outside of "redundant" Dmen, I would go for it.
 
fm said:
EDM hangs up laughing. Throw in one of the Lottery Twins and an established NHLer at forward (I'd say Strome but he busted hard outta EDM last time). Also think about Krav or Oth going.
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I think you underestimate how badly they need goaltending and how bad Leon is in his own zone. I would not move KK or Laf or Othmann in this deal and I agree, as nice as it would be to include Strome, I would expect them to have no interest in that just to avoid looking like idiots. We have the leverage in this situation as they are now desperate. All the Canadian pundits are expecting a big shakeup in Edmonton as it is clear this group with its two headed monster is not getting closer to competing. If Draisaitl is someone we covet and could fit under the cap going forward, now is where the best deal will be made.
 
NYR Viper said:
If we look around the NHL at the teams who I think would be likely to fall out of the playoff race and some of the goalies they may be okay moving that are UFA's, here is the list:
Holtby
Halak
Greiss
Korpisalo

This doesn't include MAF who is a possibility but I think he would only move to be a starter.

If there is a deal for Georgiev at this deadline or sooner that hits the ask then move him. They have Kinkaid for now and can pick up a depth goalie elsewhere
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Of these names only Halak piqued my interest and only if the net return - combined with moving Georgiev - is positive.
 
KreiderBomb said:
Would Georgiev and Nemeth get us Lavoie from Edmonton? Scouted him when he was in Halifax, he's not even close to where he will get to, big strong center with skill who can play right side. Imo we might be able to use Edmontons need for a goalie and a ld to buy low on him. I could add to that deal maybe a 3rd or even 2nd rounder if i absolutely had to.
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Goalies don’t return that kind of value. And attaching Nemeth doesn’t do anything but lower the value that Georgiev has.
 
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rangersfansince08 said:
How would we we be able to get McDavid or Leon without giving up Fox, Shesterkin or Panarin?
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Look at the recent Eichel trade - it's almost never as much as someone thinks. Now, I know we are talking about McDavid or Leon, so it's going to cost a lot and they don't have the injury issues that Eichel has, but time and time again in this league, when a guy wants out and says so, that team trading him is never dealing from a position of strength. Add to that the fact that the list of teams that could actually consummate that trade is very few to begin with, and that's why teams don't give up those level of players in these types of deals. Worth it completely, but the market doesn't bear that type of return when a guy wants out.

If however we are talking about them trading a guy like Leon so that they can round out their team, then I think the cost is more. But it's not a Fox or Shesterkin level because no team is trading that level of player away when they know a team is desperate to improve themselves so it's not like the Rangers would have to match that level of offer. Just like no team was offering a Kakko/Laff level of prospect for Eichel.

Could be wrong, but that's the way I see it.
 
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fm said:
It's very simple. You have the best D in the league on an ELC. Best goalie in the league making peanuts. You have Mika making half what he's worth. Strome too (way better than he gets credit for here). You have prime Panarin, Kreider, Trouba. PLENTY of cap room.

For one year. One. Year.

Push the chips into the center of the table and let's fking go.

And I'm typically the guy who HATES the 'bold moves' that sacrifice the future for the present.
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Flawed logic in this case as these pieces are largely still part of the group beyond this season and other pieces will be more impactful down the line as well. The only way your "push the chips to the center" is working is if "chips" meant imply cap space to take on expiring contracts for virtually no extra cost in draft picks or prospects.
 
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Maybe someone else has a more recent example, but the last waiver claim I can think of was McLeod. The Rangers just don't claim players often.
 
Vitto79 said:
Chytil for Zadina make any sense ?
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In a change of scenery trade, sure.

Both are facing similar struggles -- low production with fairly sheltered minutes, slightly low puck-luck, but generally take more shots than they give up. As I mentioned with Chytil previously, both should be producing more than their stats currently reflect.

I do think line mates can be a contributing factor for the struggles of both. Chytil's mostly lined up with Gauthier and Laf/Hunt. Zadina has had Fabbri and Suter.

Main concern is that it means one less center option in our organization which is already lacking pretty severely. Chytil has also played nearly double the games.

Personally, I'd lean towards keeping Chytil between the two, though I was a fan of Zadina when he was drafted.
 
Charlie Conway said:
In a change of scenery trade, sure.

Both are facing similar struggles -- low production with fairly sheltered minutes, slightly low puck-luck, but generally take more shots than they give up. As I mentioned with Chytil previously, both should be producing more than their stats currently reflect.

I do think line mates can be a contributing factor for the struggles of both. Chytil's mostly lined up with Gauthier and Laf/Hunt. Zadina has had Fabbri and Suter.

Main concern is that it means one less center option in our organization which is already lacking pretty severely. Chytil has also played nearly double the games.

Personally, I'd lean towards keeping Chytil between the two, though I was a fan of Zadina when he was drafted.
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Why is Zadina failing? If I recall, he isn’t a very good skater. Zero interest in another weak skater on this team, especially at the cost of Fil, who while struggling himself can at least push the pace.
 
fm said:
EDM hangs up laughing. Throw in one of the Lottery Twins and an established NHLer at forward (I'd say Strome but he busted hard outta EDM last time). Also think about Krav or Oth going.
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But Joe said McDavid was mad Strome was traded. Maybe Joe was planting a seed in Oilers fans' ears since they had to watch our broadcast.
 
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Brian Hale said:
I think you underestimate how badly they need goaltending and how bad Leon is in his own zone. I would not move KK or Laf or Othmann in this deal and I agree, as nice as it would be to include Strome, I would expect them to have no interest in that just to avoid looking like idiots. We have the leverage in this situation as they are now desperate. All the Canadian pundits are expecting a big shakeup in Edmonton as it is clear this group with its two headed monster is not getting closer to competing. If Draisaitl is someone we covet and could fit under the cap going forward, now is where the best deal will be made.
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Assuming that what you say is true, and the Oilers were to make Draisaitl available, do you really think the best offer they would get would be Leon for Geo, Chytil, Schneider, Garand and a 1st? For a Hart trophy winner.
 
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