Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXI

[GeorgeKaplan]

Well since this team can neither A) tank correctly to achieve high draft picks nor B) draft and develop elite forwards with later picks, that seems to be our only option.

C) trade quantity for quality as they’ve done before

 

[Barnaby]

Conceivably, trading Kreider and signing Panarin could be quite the addition of assets for this organization.

Kreider for A-level prospect + 1st 2020 + 2nd 2020

Sign Panarin for just money

If that's what you expect in a return, then expect to be disappointed.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

The big problem for me is that there’s not much of a core Panarin would be coming in to compliment

Yeah, right now this team is Zbad/Kreider/ADA and either a bunch of fourth liners or young guys.

 

[Bob Richards]

I am undecided on Panarin, but I do think the top tier of free agency tends to be much better value than the middle tier.

Overpaying guys who are still good isn't the true cap killer.

It's paying guys like Marc Staal and Brendan Smith that'll do it lmao.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I am undecided on Panarin, but I do think the top tier of free agency tends to be much better value than the middle tier.

I’d agree with that.

I’d rank it in terms of value;

Bargain bin FAs

Top FAs







Mid tier FAs

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

If that's what you expect in a return, then expect to be disappointed.

Yeah I don’t think the return would be that good.

I’d say we’d get closer to what Hayes got, maybe a bit more.

 

[Tawnos]

Someone mentioned that the timing has to be like when the Hawks signed Hossa. Guess what? He was 30. Panarin will be 28. So you're basically talking about getting Hossa, but instead of coming into a situation of an up and coming team, he'll already be here. That's the only difference.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I’d agree with that.

I’d rank it in terms of value;

Bargain bin FAs

Top FAs







Mid tier FAs

I still think John Tavares has more value to the Leafs than Val Filppula has for the Isles

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Someone mentioned that the timing has to be like when the Hawks signed Hossa. Guess what? He was 30. Panarin will be 28. So you're basically talking about getting Hossa, but instead of coming into a situation of an up and coming team, he'll already be here. That's the only difference.

Towes and Kane were already playing in the NHL before they signed Hossa. In fact that team went all the way to the WCF the year before with their young core.

Thats the timing issue.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Someone mentioned that the timing has to be like when the Hawks signed Hossa. Guess what? He was 30. Panarin will be 28. So you're basically talking about getting Hossa, but instead of coming into a situation of an up and coming team, he'll already be here. That's the only difference.

Yeah, but that team had it’s core in place and had gone to the conference finals the year prior. There weren’t really any questions about the direction that team would take, whereas with the Rangers the future is a lot more questionable.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

C) trade quantity for quality as they’ve done before

Also, personally, I have faith that Gorton can pull some more Zibanejad’s out of his trade cap.

f***, he might have done that with Tony D.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I get why some of you are worried about the timing, but I would be willing to take the risk. Especially when you look at the UFA classes in the following offseasons, not pretty. And sure, I guess the Rangers could stay out of the UFA market, but if they are ready to contend sooner than I'd rather have Panarin than overpaying someone like RNH in 2 years.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I get why some of you are worried about the timing, but I would be willing to take the risk. Especially when you look at the UFA classes in the following offseasons, not pretty. And sure, I guess the Rangers could stay out of the UFA market, but if they are ready to contend sooner than I'd rather have Panarin than overpaying someone like RNH in 2 years.

I really think Gorton is committed to rebuilding through the draft. From all the things he’s said and the moves he’s made, he doesn’t sound like a guy who’s looking to take shortcuts.

 

[Tawnos]

Yeah, but that team had it’s core in place and had gone to the conference finals the year prior. There weren’t really any questions about the direction that team would take, whereas with the Rangers the future is a lot more questionable.

And in 2 years, the Rangers will also hopefully have their core in place.

If they don't have a core in place 2 years from now, they're not going anywhere anyway. What's the difference between having Panarin and not?

Basically what you're saying is that, had the Blackhawks signed Hossa in 2007, Keith, Toews, and Kane never would've developed. I don't buy it.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Gorts post TDL interview, he specifically mentioned the path of 10 or so picks this year, next year, then stuttered "and the next".

Seems to me they are looking to a few years of bottom dwelling till the 3 Dmen contracts run out.

Panarin shmanerin.

 

[Barnaby]

I'd pass on Panarin, let's nail the 2019 draft, and load up for the 2020 draft. After that, we should look to turn the corner. Do it right.

Honestly, I like Panarin, but I'd be A LOT more interested if he were a top line center or top pairing defenseman.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I'd pass on Panarin, let's nail the 2019 draft, and load up for the 2020 draft. After that, we should look to turn the corner. Do it right.

Honestly, I like Panarin, but I'd be A LOT more interested if he were a top line center or top pairing defenseman.

I don't think this is an either or proposition. They can nail the draft before even signing him, and continue to pick up 2020 picks after signing him.

 

[Barnaby]

I don't think this is an either or proposition. They can nail the draft before even signing him, and continue to pick up 2020 picks after signing him.

If you sign him to finish 12th from the bottom instead of 4th from the bottom, then you certainly impact the 2020 draft.

Again, top line center or top d-man to me is a different story.

Top winger strikes me as more of a luxury.

 

[cheech70]

How much will Brock Nelson command? I like his play

 

[GAGLine]

Yeah, but that team had it’s core in place and had gone to the conference finals the year prior. There weren’t really any questions about the direction that team would take, whereas with the Rangers the future is a lot more questionable.

They also signed Hossa to a contract that is no longer viable under the current CBA. The first 7 years of that deal, he made 7.9 mil per year, but his cap hit was only 5.275 mil.

 

[NernieBichols]

You guys are getting crazy. What makes anyone think the rangers are ever gonna be worse than right now and they are still 6-9. If panarin will sign, they are gonna sign him. He’s a top line player, started late. Bank on it. Gorton is in on him. There is no chance in heck the rangers are gonna be worse than this year going forward, with or without panarin. The pick is gonna be 8-18 regardless. The idea that the rangers are gonna be bottom-5 without panarin is wishful thinking. Y’all better hope they start losing and than get lucky in the lottery. Bc this year is the only chance. Bet my pants on it

 

[Lays]

How much will Brock Nelson command? I like his play

He has decent offensive ability and that’s it. Other than that he’s pretty bad all around. Low effort and bad defensively, I’ll pass

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Conceivably, trading Kreider and signing Panarin could be quite the addition of assets for this organization.

Kreider for A-level prospect + 1st 2020 + 2nd 2020

Sign Panarin for just money

Dude, Kreider isn't fetching that return.

Mark Stone is younger and better than Kreider and he literally just got traded for an A prospect and a 2nd.

 

[GAGLine]

Looking back on Toronto signing Tavares this past summer, was it the right move for them? Yes or no, and why?

 

[NernieBichols]

Looking back on Toronto signing Tavares this past summer, was it the right move for them? Yes or no, and why?

Without a doubt the right move. They should have moved nylander immediately afterwards for a proven top 4 and another guy who will become top 4 in time. They’d be favorites right now