Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXXI

[gravey9]

I think our interest in Panarin and other UFAs will be dependent on how this year's draft + Kreider contract play out. If at the end of the draft, Gorton and co feel like they've drafted enough of the young core, then Panarin might make more sense. If they walk away from the Draft a bit disappointed and think they'll need the 2020 Draft to get a centerpiece of the rebuild, then Panarin may make less sense. That said, if they feel like they still need an elite offensive talent at end of draft then Panarin might be that guy. My gut feeling is the Rangers will be targeting certain kids in the draft and once they lock in on those kids, everything will be in play to get those specific kids -- using other picks to move up, trading Kreider, etc. If Kreider goes on Draft day, then I can't see a scenario where they don't aim for Panarin.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Call me when Florida does anything. They're going nowhere

And who cares if it makes the team just slightly better next year, we're looking long term. I'll take the PPG player since coming into the league to make a significant impact long term.

If Panarin can put up above a PPG with Dubois and whatever other garbage Columbus had centering him last year, I'm sure he'll have success with Zibanejad

Can't we say the same thing about this iteration of the Rangers?

Also Dubois is pretty good, and congrats on making a team that spins its wheels and will have an even tougher time acquiring the requisite talent to make a winner.

That PPG player is also going to come at a price much, much higher than Kreider. I'm not even against trading Kreider, but trading him just to open up a spot for Panarin makes little sense.

 

[GAGLine]

I don't understand why people think the Rangers being a bad team equates to them having to pay more for Panarin

He's looking for a better city to play in, a better lifestyle to suit his wants. Ohio ain't giving him that. The Panthers are just as ****ing bad as us

I'd also wager a guess that Kreider would be moved if they can snag Panarin. Tying up money into one is realistic, tying up both, not so much

Does Panarin care about winning? I would assume he does. Sure, there will be other factors such as money and location, but winning is no doubt part of the equation. If he doesn't feel like the Rangers can win anytime soon, then just being a desirable location may not be enough. Yes, Florida is bad, but if Bob goes there, that's a big reason for Panarin to go there as well. If Bob can get back to form, he will help that team a lot. Florida has the 10th highest GFA and the 3rd worst GAA. If they get good goaltending, they will be a much better team.

 

[Lion Hound]

I think the Rangers are in on Panarin no matter what! Elite player available for Cap space that is already there. Whether or not #9 chooses to come here is a different story.

 

[aufheben]

Can't we say the same thing about this iteration of the Rangers?

Also Dubois is pretty good, and congrats on making a team that spins its wheels and will have an even tougher time acquiring the requisite talent to make a winner.

That PPG player is also going to come at a price much, much higher than Kreider. I'm not even against trading Kreider, but trading him just to open up a spot for Panarin makes little sense.

I mean the Rangers are rebuilding and the #Cats still aren't better than them so not really lol

 

[Doctyl]

that would be a valid point if the rebuild started with the stepan trade but it didn't. that deal was made so they could sign shattenkirk thinking he would make us better right now.

Trading your 1C for the 9th overall pick screams rebuild. Also with Shattenkirk the rangers claim he came to them not the other way around.

The Stepan trade was absolutely the start of this.

 

[Thirty One]

Trading your 1C for the 9th overall pick screams rebuild. Also with Shattenkirk the rangers claim he came to them not the other way around.

The Stepan trade was absolutely the start of this.

Well if Shattenkirk came to them, they came to Thornton and Marleau.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Can't we say the same thing about this iteration of the Rangers?

Also Dubois is pretty good, and congrats on making a team that spins its wheels and will have an even tougher time acquiring the requisite talent to make a winner.

That PPG player is also going to come at a price much, much higher than Kreider. I'm not even against trading Kreider, but trading him just to open up a spot for Panarin makes little sense.

No, the Rangers and Panthers aren't in the same situation, like at all.

Florida is trying to get to the playoffs and win, and they're failing miserably. The Rangers have publicly conceded they're rebuilding, traded away half the team in the last year, and they're just two points behind them. And Florida has no where near the draft capital, or any other intangibles like an owner that wants to spend, or a huge fanbase.

Everyone seems to forget that Florida's owner is cheap, and even set a hard cap for them last year at like 65 million. So forgive me for not believing they're just going to open up the checkbooks to spend almost 20 million on two players in Panarin and Bobrovsky

I like Kreider, don't want to move him unless someone like McAvoy is coming back. But if Gorton is so obsessed with keeping the cap sheet clean, if you get Panarin, I would assume Kreider won't be around for long. He was so noncommittal about keeping Kreider long term when they asked him last week.

And Panarin is a talent you look to acquire when building a winner, so I don't know what you're getting at there. Everyone acts like signing him is going to immediately end the rebuild. The team is NEVER going to bottom out, so if they finish 7th next year without Panarin, as opposed to like 12th with him, does it really matter.

 

[East Coast Bias]

The irony of Panarin wanting to win, and potentially attaching himself to his friend Bob (and a total poison pill contract) is hilarious.

Winning is very important to me. That is why I am a package deal with my boy, who is immediately a contender for the worst contract.

 

[NYR Viper]

Conceivably, trading Kreider and signing Panarin could be quite the addition of assets for this organization.

Kreider for A-level prospect + 1st 2020 + 2nd 2020

Sign Panarin for just money

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

No, the Rangers and Panthers aren't in the same situation, like at all.

Florida is trying to get to the playoffs and win, and they're failing miserably. The Rangers have publicly conceded they're rebuilding, traded away half the team in the last year, and they're just two points behind them. And Florida has no where near the draft capital, or any other intangibles like an owner that wants to spend, or a huge fanbase.

Everyone seems to forget that Florida's owner is cheap, and even set a hard cap for them last year at like 65 million. So forgive me for not believing they're just going to open up the checkbooks spend almost 20 million on two players in Panarin and Bobrovsky

I like Kreider, don't want to move him unless someone like McAvoy is coming back. But if Gorton is so obsessed with keeping the cap sheet clean, if you get Panarin, I would assume Kreider won't be around for long. He was so noncommittal about keeping Kreider long term when they asked him last week.

And Panarin is a talent you look to acquire when building a winner, so I don't know what you're getting at there. Everyone acts like signing him is going to immediately end the rebuild. The team is NEVER going to bottom out, so if they finish 7th next year without Panarin, as opposed to like 12th with him, does it really matter.

Florida is a goalie away from being a playoff team.

Rangers are not a forward away from being a playoff team.

It's pretty simple.
And yes I'd rather pick 7th than 12th. There will be Panarin's available via trade, ones who will have their best years ahead of them and won't eat up as much cap room. Adding that guy when you have the other pieces in place makes sense. Adding him this summer does not.

 

[GAGLine]

Conceivably, trading Kreider and signing Panarin could be quite the addition of assets for this organization.

Kreider for A-level prospect + 1st 2020 + 2nd 2020

Sign Panarin for just money

It could yes, but what are we getting for Kreider? It needs to be at least one high quality asset. Either a future top 6/3 forward or a future top 4/2 dman. Maybe that comes in the form of a high draft pick, or maybe there's a team out there willing to trade a very good prospect for him. Maybe we win the lottery and draft Hughes, then trade Kreider for a top 10 pick and take Byram.

I think this draft will be very interesting. I expect that the Rangers will do a fair bit of maneuvering depending on where our pick ends up.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Florida is a goalie away from being a playoff team.

Rangers are not a forward away from being a playoff team.

It's pretty simple.
And yes I'd rather pick 7th than 12th. There will be Panarin's available via trade, ones who will have their best years ahead of them and won't eat up as much cap room. Adding that guy when you have the other pieces in place makes sense. Adding him this summer does not.

okay lol

I never said they were a forward away from being a playoff team. Not that the point matters at all, cause if you sign him the rebuild won't just magically be over.

Also please point to all the teams that are lining up to trade away PPG players for whatever the Rangers have to offer, I'd love to hear them. Panarin can come for straight cash, which the team has no problem spending

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

okay lol

I never said they were a forward away from being a playoff team. Not that the point matters at all, cause if you sign him the rebuild won't just magically be over.

Also please point to all the teams that are lining up to trade away PPG players for whatever the Rangers have to offer, I'd love to hear them. Panarin can come for straight cash, which the team has no problem spending

Um, do you even watch the stuff that happens around the league?

Erik Karlsson just got traded last summer, Mike Richards and Jeff Carter both got traded in the same off season (Carter twice in one year), Rick Nash pretty much forced his way here, Ditto St Louis (though older) Duchene was on the block for years, Tyler Seguin, Phil Kessel, Taylor Hall, PK Subban (not PPG, but top pair quality D), Joe Thornton, Jaromir Jagr, the list really goes on.

The point is, these guys ALWAYS become available for one reason or another. Just look at whats happened in Ottawa over the last calendar year.

Those guys went for prospects and picks mostly, which this team has and will continue to have an abundance of.

 

[True Blue]

This will be our 3rd draft since trading Stepan. I was not aware that was possible in 1.25 years.


Your disingenuous post did not deserve a legitimate response.

Except the rebuild started at the TDL last year.

No one ever suggested trading away our entire team for Jack Hughes. 3 1sts plus a roster player/prospect is not the same thing. Framing my proposition with “who plays with him?” after claiming I traded away the entire team is a fabricated argument that you’re attacking. Textbook strawman.

And again, let's say that the Rangers finish 7th. 7th, twenty something and 30 are probably not enough. So now who do you add? Zbad? Kravstov?

 

[Ola]

Skip Panarin and EK. It will be significant financial commitments.

Both Panarin and EK have recently been traded. Trade for the next version of them instead.

Unless like EK is willing to take a significant discount in NY.

 

[Dough72]

That game is not in the DNA of most vet players. They can adopt a little, but it’s not.

Washington JUST won the Stanley Cup thanks to veterans. I mean virtually every good team is driven by veterans.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Um, do you even watch the stuff that happens around the league?

Erik Karlsson just got traded last summer, Mike Richards and Jeff Carter both got traded in the same off season (Carter twice in one year), Rick Nash pretty much forced his way here, Ditto St Louis (though older) Duchene was on the block for years, Tyler Seguin, Phil Kessel, Taylor Hall, PK Subban (not PPG, but top pair quality D), Joe Thornton, Jaromir Jagr, the list really goes on.

The point is, these guys ALWAYS become available for one reason or another. Just look at whats happened in Ottawa over the last calendar year.

Those guys went for prospects and picks mostly, which this team has and will continue to have an abundance of.

We literally traded for a 25 year old PPG player and people still think “oh we HAVE to sign Panarin no one like him will EVER be available again!!”

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We literally traded for a 25 year old PPG player and people still think “oh we HAVE to sign Panarin no one like him will EVER be available again!!”

Not only that, Panarin was literally traded for.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Um, do you even watch the stuff that happens around the league?

Erik Karlsson just got traded last summer, Mike Richards and Jeff Carter both got traded in the same off season (Carter twice in one year), Rick Nash pretty much forced his way here, Ditto St Louis (though older) Duchene was on the block for years, Tyler Seguin, Phil Kessel, Taylor Hall, PK Subban (not PPG, but top pair quality D), Joe Thornton, Jaromir Jagr, the list really goes on.

The point is, these guys ALWAYS become available for one reason or another. Just look at whats happened in Ottawa over the last calendar year.

Those guys went for prospects and picks mostly, which this team has and will continue to have an abundance of.

They will also have an abundance of cap space in the near term future. Signing Panarin allows you to keep your trade assets to use on another area of the team that needs to be improved.

 

[SA16]

We literally traded for a 25 year old PPG player and people still think “oh we HAVE to sign Panarin no one like him will EVER be available again!!”

We didn't trade for a PPG player. We traded for a guy who broke out two years after we got him. We traded for a former high first round pick who scored at a 45-50 point pace for 3 years who did the same thing his first two years as a Ranger. That's not the same thing as trading for Mark Stone would have been. It's closer to trading for Sam Bennett, Jake Virtanen, or Jesse Puljujarvi and seeing what happens (although Zibanejad was, of course, better than those guys when he was dealt). Or I guess like Calgary and Lindholm is probably a better example.

 

[RGY]

Thank the lord. Go cover the Islanders full time because you are flat out terrible

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Conceivably, trading Kreider and signing Panarin could be quite the addition of assets for this organization.

Kreider for A-level prospect + 1st 2020 + 2nd 2020

Sign Panarin for just money

I think if that were available Kreider would have been traded at the deadline. Much the same as what we thought we were getting and then eventually got for Zuccarello I think we have to realize teams arent emptying out their prospect pool for Kreider.

 

[RGY]

I think if that were available Kreider would have been traded at the deadline. Much the same as what we got for Zuccarello I think we have to realize teams arent emptying out their prospect pool for Kreider.

And at this point Kreider is more valuable to the Rangers and their rebuild than whatever we may get for him.

 

[RangerBoy]

Just money? It’s a lot of money AND term.