What would the return be for Trouba? Everyone knows that it will take up towards 8m per to keep him.
If the return for him is the same as for a rental, it might make sense for them to rent him to themselves so to speak.
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What would the return be for Trouba? Everyone knows that it will take up towards 8m per to keep him.
If the return for him is the same as for a rental, it might make sense for them to rent him to themselves so to speak.
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That team might end up being the lowest scoring team know the history of the NHL.
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I was also pondering this over this morning . We have a good and bad situation in goal . George looks like he is going to be a starter if he keeps up his performance ???? We also have Shesty in Russia. Plus we have Hank and who knows he might sign a 2 year team friendly deal to be a back up after his present deal is finished . Plus we have other goalies in the system and hopefully we can find a way to qualify one at some point for the draft / Seattle. Soooo....do we ever consider flipping a goalie either Georgie or Shesty at the draft table to move up in the draft ? We have two years to make that move I am thinking . This year or next . It would be a nice card to play and not take away from our on ice product outside of the net . A combo of Hank & Georgie/Shesty should be quite sufficient for us ? Anyways....so just curious how everyone sees the net situation playing out and us possibly using that goalie chip at the draft to get our man over the next 2 drafts ? Have at it...
I tihnk that if this version of the Rangers had Panarin, the results for the season woudl be largely the same.
To me, it is about the right time and the right place. And in my view, that is not at the Garden right now.
Nope, AINEC to be honest.
Everyone are like, if we trade away Nash, Grabner and co we will surely be the worst team ever. And we weren’t close to it. Same before we moved Zucc and Hayes, but so far we have played well and scored goals. We will of course have some ugly down periods infront of us, but still...
And look at LAK. Second worst team in the league. Then some will say that duh, it’s their goaltending. BS. They have also scored the second least amount of goals in the NHL. Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Kova and co. They have a ton of fire power.
The problem is that they are 100% predictable. A team with young modern players can do what no team could do 5 years ago, create havoc offensively on more or less a shift by shift basis. Players that drive to the net in a 2 on 2 situation with the — genuine — intention to try to beat the Ds fan often be handled, but the defender will not control where the puck is going and they will have lost their positioning after engaging in a real 1 on 1 battle with a forward.
That game is not in the DNA of most vet players. They can adopt a little, but it’s not. Both TDA and Pionk have been much better than Shatty this season. Someone like Claesson, a young D who is far from special and that nobody else wanted, has easily been able to come in and more or less match Smith and Staal.
I am sure that Quinn knows exactly what he wants. Guys that are comfortable with the puck and can play a speedy game.
We won’t get that top pick because we don’t have the roster LAK has, and then there is Ottawa. Just forget about it, it’s a childish notion really. But our big advantage is that there is a generational change going on, the vets are becoming more and more worthless as we speak, you will get a big advantage if you can build a team to go in the right direction.
Gorton should forget all projects about getting OTH vets and have them gain value. Finish the house cleaning this summer and then start building a new team. That team would probably miss the POs for the same reason this seasons team have. Bad stretches, it takes a while for new guys to settle in, issues that you might not foresee at certain positions/areas and what not. But it’s certainly the best way to accumulate value within the organization. Before you know the pundits will start to love like a Ryan Strome and he can be moved. A Pionk could be moved. The trade market is so cheap, look at what Karlsson went for, what Montadour went for, what Skinner went for and so forth. Our farm would be loaded, probably 5 recent first round picks outside the NHL team to break in the coming years, I think our depth drafting has been great lately. Someone like Joey Keane is going to come in and destroy it.
How long does a rebuild take? More than 1.25 years typically.
Where do you see that being discussed?
First of all, Tamp has not won it yet. Second of all, even if they did, a 7th, mid twenties and 30th is not going to get it done I think. So again, I ask, what are you offering?
So you are going to offer quantity and expect to get back quality? Understand that to get that pick, you will need to overwhelm them. And let's say you do trade everyone away, now you have Hughes and nothing else. You are now thrusting him into a role he may not be ready for. Remember, he is NOT McDavid. Who plays with him?
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I know the Rangers don't have that top flight, elite level young player at any one position.. but that hasn't stopped me from enjoying the heck out of watching our young guys grow and develop. They have skill, heart, and they play hard. It seems like Gorton and CO. are trying to do the right thing. I can appreciate that. Let the chips fall where they may.
Rebuild through free agency? Panarin is not signing a 5 year deal. He is signing a 7-8 year deal. There will be much better teams making offers to him. So now, you will need to overpay. 7/8 years at $11m, with NMC/NTC? You are signing up for that? And you will need to resign Kreider.
What team is trading for those players for two years?
A strawman is the act of seeming to refute an argument, while actually refuting an argument that is not presented. You said how long should rebuilds take. I gave an answer. You said should winning be abandoned and have a 20 year rebuild. Again, I gave a response. You then came out and said that 3 first round picks should be enough to get the 1OA. I refuted that claim and asked you other questions. Crying "Strawman" does not actually change the context of the conversation.
This will be our 3rd draft since trading Stepan. I was not aware that was possible in 1.25 years.
No one ever suggested trading away our entire team for Jack Hughes. 3 1sts plus a roster player/prospect is not the same thing. Framing my proposition with “who plays with him?” after claiming I traded away the entire team is a fabricated argument that you’re attacking. Textbook strawman.
Your disingenuous post did not deserve a legitimate response.
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i didnt read all this, but going with a team with like 1 or 2 guys who has ever scored 20 goals is definitely unpredictable.
and foolish.
Honestly, thats a great GREAT lineup if youre trying really hard to get Lafreniere
that would be a valid point if the rebuild started with the stepan trade but it didn't. that deal was made so they could sign shattenkirk thinking he would make us better right now.
Gorton traded Stepan and made his eventual rebuild more complicated with the Shattenkirk and Smith contracts.
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I don't understand why people think the Rangers being a bad team equates to them having to pay more for Panarin
He's looking for a better city to play in, a better lifestyle to suit his wants. Ohio ain't giving him that. The Panthers are just as f***ing bad as us
I'd also wager a guess that Kreider would be moved if they can snag Panarin. Tying up money into one is realistic, tying up both, not so much
He's looking for a better city to play in, a better lifestyle to suit his wants. Ohio ain't giving him that. The Panthers are just as f***ing bad as us
I'd also wager a guess that Kreider would be moved if they can snag Panarin. Tying up money into one is realistic, tying up both, not so much
And at best, that makes the team slightly better.
Florida is only just as bad as us due to goaltending, thats an easy thing for them to solve. As far as skater talent goes, there really isnt a comparison.
Sorry Inferno, but I don’t follow what you are saying with this post?
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Call me when Florida does anything. They're going nowhere
And who cares if it makes the team just slightly better next year, we're looking long term. I'll take the PPG player since coming into the league to make a significant impact long term.
If Panarin can put up above a PPG with Dubois and whatever other garbage Columbus had centering him last year, I'm sure he'll have success with Zibanejad
One thing, the market is very predictable albeit specific.
If anyone in 2016 said that EK would return like a few picks and young players, Skinner a 2nd and a 3rd, Montadour a 1st and B prospect it would have been nutty.
But at the same time, we can certainly be sure of that teams will collapse on a regular basis the coming years and that good players will be traded on a dead market. But it’s of course pure guessing trying to speculate if it’s a Tarasenko that will be traded for a mid to late 1st or if it’s a Seguin or a Benn or a Schleife or a Pat Kane or whatever. But teams are up against the cap, and when they come to the conclusion that it’s never going to work out they need to do something to get out of commitments and get flexibility.
If anyone in 2016 said that EK would return like a few picks and young players, Skinner a 2nd and a 3rd, Montadour a 1st and B prospect it would have been nutty.
But at the same time, we can certainly be sure of that teams will collapse on a regular basis the coming years and that good players will be traded on a dead market. But it’s of course pure guessing trying to speculate if it’s a Tarasenko that will be traded for a mid to late 1st or if it’s a Seguin or a Benn or a Schleife or a Pat Kane or whatever. But teams are up against the cap, and when they come to the conclusion that it’s never going to work out they need to do something to get out of commitments and get flexibility.
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The Montour trade was pretty much fair value and the Karlsson/Skinner trades were unique insofar as they had to be made immediately and the teams were handcuffed by NMCs which limited the markets. This was especially significant in the case of Skinner where the coach had decided he had to go and the player would only accept a trade to one team (Buffalo).
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What worries me about a big ticket UFA this year is kind of an intangible thing.
With the NYR being bad and having major questions about when they will contend again (ie no 1st/2nd overall franchise player being added anytime soon), I seriously question the mindset of a player who WANTS to come here right now for 10M+.
Adverse selection or whatever you want to call it. Chasing big ticket FAs who want “the lifestyle” makes me wary for obvious reasons.
With the NYR being bad and having major questions about when they will contend again (ie no 1st/2nd overall franchise player being added anytime soon), I seriously question the mindset of a player who WANTS to come here right now for 10M+.
Adverse selection or whatever you want to call it. Chasing big ticket FAs who want “the lifestyle” makes me wary for obvious reasons.
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I've suggested that we trade Skjei for Trouba. Trouba just turned 25 a week ago. Skjei turns 25 later this month. Trouba is the better player right now, but he's a pending RFA with 1 year left before UFA status. Skjei has 5 years left on his contract at a very manageable number. If they can't afford to re-sign Trouba, or they feel like Trouba won't sign long term, getting a good, cost controlled dman of the same age is a good move for Winnipeg. If cap is still an issue for Winnipeg, even with that deal, then other players can be added to the mix. We can take back Kulikov and send them Pionk, and then add whatever picks/prospects are necessary to balance it out. Kulikov has 1 year left @ 4.33 mil and he's playing 3rd pair minutes (14:38 per game).
Draft Bowen Byram to replace Skjei and in 2-3 years, this will be our defense:
Byram-Trouba
Hajek-ADA
Miller-Lundkvist
Rykov-Keane
Lindgren
Gross
Reunanen
Sjalin
Not all of these guys are going to make it, but that's an impressive amount of young, organizational depth.
By the 2021-22 season, Staal, Shatty and Smith will be gone. Trouba will only be 27. He'll be in his prime. ADA will be 26, and everyone else will be younger.
Fixing the defense is paramount to us competing. Offense is easier to fix. We've got some key pieces already. Maybe Kreider is re-signed, or he is traded for a younger forward with high potential. Zib will be around for a while. Kravtsov should be a top 6 player, if not top 3. Chytil should be a top 6 player. Buchnevich is playing better of late and if we are patient, he could really find his groove in a year or two. Vesey has stepped up his game this year and is a guy we should keep IMO. Even without a guy like Panarin, this is our future top 6:
Kreider/Trade-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Vesey-Chytil-Kravtsov
Then add in guys like Namestnikov, Strome, Fast, Andersson, Howden, Lemieux and Nieves who can fill a bottom 6 role, with possibly Gettinger, Fogarty, Barron and Pajuniemi adding to the mix. We could trade Names and/or Strome if they are too expensive and still have plenty of depth. This is all without factoring in any of our picks this year except for our 1st round pick. We'll have at least 1 more 1st round pick and 3 2nd round picks.
If we sign Panarin, our depth will be even better. I'm not totally for or against it, but we have to fix our defense. I don't want to sign Panarin and still have our defense be a train wreck 2 years from now.
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