Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXX

[McRanger92]

I’m very curious to see how Drury is going to handle this years TDL.
Forget the strome deal for a minute, the way he’s playing with Panarin right now, at worst even if they don’t plan on resigning him, he’s being self Rented.
I know no one had super high expectations for this season. Most figured we’d absolutely make the playoffs and possibly win a round.
After the 1st quarter of the year, with the way this team has come together and bonded/gelled, with Gallant at the helm, doing an amazing job on/off the ice in his first year, I’m sure expectations are raised at the possibility of us making the playoffs and catching fire at this point in time.
We have a Norris D leading a formidable top 6 D where the 3rd pair is making progress at least And getting better.
We have another D in Trouba that is rock solid, dependable, and physical this year. He’s moving the puck well and helping miller. They are playing vital minutes, and it’s helping Lindgren-Fox.

we have an elite goalie playing at the top of his game.
We have 4 lines rolling playing very well keeping everyone fresh. Versatile guys that can move up and down the line up if need be in case of injury.

a top 3 winger in the game and one of the best Power forwards in the league playing the best hockey of they’re careers.

we are physical, we have secondary scoring. A good mix of youth/vets. Proven winners with valuable leadership qualities, and a solid coaching staff.

if this team shores up the back up goaltending position, adds a solid depth player or 2, anything can happen.

can you imagine how well we’d be playing if this team was even half way decent at winning a face off? If the were able to dictate possession off an offensive draw, with our lethal PP??

all this is happening with our high paid 1C not even firing on all cylinders yet, and our 1 and 2OV picks just maturing and coming into the scene.
This team is just mentally and physically tough. They play for each other and knows what it takes to win.
I can see why some expect us to do some great things this season.

the next few moves for Drury are critical. Not just for this season either. I’m not saying trade our 1st, empty the cupboard and go all in like 94.
But we’ve been blessed with some good luck finally and have a well stocked system.
If this team keeps playing like this, add a key piece or 2 down the stretch, whose to say we can’t raise the cup this season?

I think we could, and should, see as many as 3 moves for rentals at or around the deadline.

First off, i think they will take at least one big swing for a Hertl/Giordano level rental. One that will probably cost a 1st round pick plus a lesser prospect or Kravtsov.

After that, depending on what position they add big with, they will acquire a depth piece for a mid-round pick, we see guys like this moved every year and we can always use the depth.

Finally, i believe theres still a chance they add another backup goalie like Holtby or Halak. Right now, Georgiev is playing perfectly average and has righted his own ship in Igor's absence, but i still think Drury will look to upgrade if it makes sense.

Thats what i would do at least. Theyve got tons of space this year to make moves, that will disappear if they dont use it now, and we still have more assets than we know what to do with. Cant pass up on opportunities to make a deep run because the team "isnt ready"

 

[McRanger92]

I think we could, and should, see as many as 3 moves for rentals at or around the deadline.

First off, i think they will take at least one big swing for a Hertl/Giordano level rental. One that will probably cost a 1st round pick plus a lesser prospect or Kravtsov.

After that, depending on what position they add big with, they will acquire a depth piece for a mid-round pick, we see guys like this moved every year and we can always use the depth.

Finally, i believe theres still a chance they add another backup goalie like Holtby or Halak. Right now, Georgiev is playing perfectly average and has righted his own ship in Igor's absence, but i still think Drury will look to upgrade if it makes sense.

Thats what i would do at least. Theyve got tons of space this year to make moves, that will disappear if they dont use it now, and we still have more assets than we know what to do with. Cant pass up on opportunities to make a deep run because the team "isnt ready"

And another thing, imagine the jolt this core will get when they add a significant rental at the deadline? After they all grinded out a rebuild for years, its time for the organization to say "we believe in this team, time to win"

 

[tomobson]

And another thing, imagine the jolt this core will get when they add a significant rental at the deadline? After they all grinded out a rebuild for years, its time for the organization to say "we believe in this team, time to win"

If Strome prices himself out I rather use the stockpile of assets we have in finding a center to replace him in the offseason than rentals. Strome's brother said he's looking for a big pay raise and the rangers aren't in any situation to be able to give him one.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I’d bet the preference in a Kravtsov trade would be to trade him for a useful NHL body...Blais type of player but ideally a C or a solid backup G maybe.

That said who knows if that’s realistic. Could be a take the highest pick possible at the draft type of situation similar to Lias.

 

[Perratrooper]

I could be wrong, but I see the NYR looking to trade quantity/quality for quality/cap retention, not trade quality for quantity. They have a few spots they want upgrade WITH lower cap if possible I don't think they want MORE contracts and a third rounder.

I figured Kaut is a comparable level prospect, plus two okay adds to even out/entice value. Totally get wanting to use him to get a better player, but the quality isn’t that much different between Kaut and Krastov given the circumstances around Krastov.

 

[Perratrooper]

I’d bet the preference in a Kravtsov trade would be to trade him for a useful NHL body...Blais type of player but ideally a C or a solid backup G maybe.

That said who knows if that’s realistic. Could be a take the highest pick possible at the draft type of situation similar to Lias.

Does Jost+3rd move the ball? Young NHL caliber center.

 

[Vitto79]

Does Jost+3rd move the ball? Young NHL caliber center.

i would think so. Atleast they get a young nhler back

 

[McRanger92]

If Strome prices himself out I rather use the stockpile of assets we have in finding a center to replace him in the offseason than rentals. Strome's brother said he's looking for a big pay raise and the rangers aren't in any situation to be able to give him one.

Use Chytil & Lundkvist/Jones/Robertson to find a young center if Strome walks. and you never know, 5/27.5 is a pretty hefty raise off the 2/11 contract he signed 2 summers ago. I still think he stays.

 

[bhamill]

I think we could, and should, see as many as 3 moves for rentals at or around the deadline.

First off, i think they will take at least one big swing for a Hertl/Giordano level rental. One that will probably cost a 1st round pick plus a lesser prospect or Kravtsov.

After that, depending on what position they add big with, they will acquire a depth piece for a mid-round pick, we see guys like this moved every year and we can always use the depth.

Finally, i believe theres still a chance they add another backup goalie like Holtby or Halak. Right now, Georgiev is playing perfectly average and has righted his own ship in Igor's absence, but i still think Drury will look to upgrade if it makes sense.

Thats what i would do at least. Theyve got tons of space this year to make moves, that will disappear if they dont use it now, and we still have more assets than we know what to do with. Cant pass up on opportunities to make a deep run because the team "isnt ready"

I hope you are wrong. You need those firsts to keep a pipeline of talent on ELCs coming in or get a cost controlled asset that's ready to contribute. One playoff rentals aren't worth it IMO, I guess depending on the player.

 

[bhamill]

I figured Kaut is a comparable level prospect, plus two okay adds to even out/entice value. Totally get wanting to use him to get a better player, but the quality isn’t that much different between Kaut and Krastov given the circumstances around Krastov.

Not bagging on Kaut, my point is I think that the NYR are more in a mindset to ADD to Kravtsov, use multiple assets to get a player BETTER than him at this point of the build.

 

[surlysailor]

Does Jost+3rd move the ball? Young NHL caliber center.

If Strome re-signs then no way we can afford Jost. I could see them going for a cost controlled player. Obviously Newhook wouldn't be available but maybe someone Like Oluasson, maybe Foudy. Not sure what the + would be on either side. Foudy makes the most sense if NYR are hoping he can be a middle 6 C since they're hopeful on Othmann, & Cuylle on wing.

 

[cheech70]

Hertl is shot...
Need someone to win faceoffs for playoff run...but who is that guy replacing..17? Hunt? 14?
Heavy 3LD that is better than 12....probably lateral move
Strome is tied to Bread's hip and will be resigned and in a couple years move to wing
The conundrum with such a great record is that expectations may shift to ECF or bust...goal is the same as the pre-season...... win a playoff round be competitive in 2nd round then retool in off-season

 

[mas0764]

Too bad Chytil and Laf can't switch positions.

Well Chytil can probably go to RW and Laf may be able to play center.

 

[mas0764]

Do we start talking about moving Goodrow to make room for Strome?

I would.

 

[mas0764]

Goodrow isn’t going anywhere.

Right, no one is going anywhere, but somehow we're also re-signing everyone.

Nothing to see here.

 

[cheech70]

Does Jost+3rd move the ball? Young NHL caliber center.

Jost=Barron...no need

 

[mas0764]

I'm fine with that. I'd trade Chytil and Lundkvist for a cost-controlled young C.

Chytil and Lundkvist, add a first, that's approaching an Eichel-level package.

So yeah, I'm ok with that, if it's like, Elias Pettersson.

For Horvat? Flush that.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

I don't see a path forward with Strome where Kreider and Trouba are here unless Kaako is bridged.

Blais - 4 years @ $2.5m
Strome - 7 years @ $5.25m
Kaako - 8 years @ $6.75m
Gauthier - 1 year @ $1m

Georgiev to Edmonton for a 3rd '22 + 4th '23
Nemeth to Detroit for a 4th '22 + 4th '23


That's this line-up:

Kreider-Zib-Kaako
Panarin-Strome-Hunt
Lafreniere-Chytil-Blais
Goodrow-Barron-Reaves
Gauthier

Miller-Fox
Lindgren-Lundkvist
Jones-Trouba
Tinordi

Shesty
$1m backup

That is ~$4.5m over the cap.

So even if they trade Chytil and replace his $2.3m with a $1m 4th line center, bumping Goodrow or Barron up, that's not enough.

If they bridge Kaako @ ~$3-4m per season than they COULD keep Kreider by moving Chytil.

The question really comes down to Kaako bridged or long term.

You significantly downgraded the team by wasting assets on 4th round picks.

If any d-man goes, it should be Miller to Hartford.

And Blais will get league minimum anywhere he goes.

 

[mas0764]

I don't pretend to know who's available. The second I throw a name out, it will just be met with a million excuses for why it won't work by those who want to sign Strome.

Making a mistake just because there are "no better options" is how this franchise has continually gotten itself into trouble over the majority of my lifetime. It should be Drury's job to set this team up for sustained success over the near - medium term. I'd hate to suffer through another all too short peak window because the GM gets trigger happy.

Applaud this man.

They are under no pressure to win a Cup this season. This is the first playoff season of what should be an organic, home-grown window of a decade of competitive hockey.

Pretty much all moves should be for the long term. If they are for the medium term, they should at least not compromise the long term.

And they basically shouldn't do anything for the short term specifically.

 

[NYR Viper]

You significantly downgraded thee the team by wasting assets on 4th round picks.

If any d-man goes, it should be Miller to Hartford.

And Blais will get league minimum anywhere he goes.

Did you read my entire post? I was showing that even by moving those players, they don't have cap space without a major move, assuming Kaako signs long term. Change the trades, but in terms of cap allocation, they were best case scenario as no cap was coming back

 

[mas0764]

You significantly downgraded the team by wasting assets on 4th round picks.

If any d-man goes, it should be Miller to Hartford.

And Blais will get league minimum anywhere he goes.

Blais is on a 1.5m contract now, not sure why he'd take league minimum.

 

[GAGLine]

Kakko has not shown anywhere near enough to get 6.75M per year for 8 years as of now. That is an extremely risky deal. And how is Blais getting 4-10 coming off a 14 game season where he had 4 points?

Blais' QO will be 1.6 mil, so 2.5 isn't that much of a stretch. I'd rather give him 2 mil per for 3 years though. We have players who may be able to replace him in the future (Othmaan, Cuylle...Barron if he plays wing).

 

[RGY]

Right, no one is going anywhere, but somehow we're also re-signing everyone.

Nothing to see here.

Okay, you think Goodrow is being traded after just year 1 as someone else suggested?

 

[mas0764]

I think you’re looking at Kreider this offseason and Trouba next offseason as cap casualties.

Edge was just on here and implied that while they will be discussing it this offseason, that we should be adding one extra season to these projections (ie, Kreider the next offseason after this coming one, and Trouba the one after that).

But I'm with you. Especially if Kakko wants more than a $2.5m bridge.

There's no money.

I think it ends up very, very likely they have to move Kreider this coming offseason. Or, they let Strome walk with no replacement.

 

[cheech70]

Did you read my entire post? I was showing that even by moving those players, they don't have cap space without a major move, assuming Kaako signs long term. Change the trades, but in terms of cap allocation, they were best case scenario as no cap was coming back

Kaako is a bridge....no other choice....cost more down road..possible.... but its business