Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXX

[mas0764]

Nah. They’ll move other guys to make it work.

Who?

 

[NYR Viper]

Does Jost+3rd move the ball? Young NHL caliber center.

I think that from the Rangers perspective, they have almost too many good young players. Not all of them will be able to play with the Rangers. In saying that, the idea of trading one asset for multiple coming back is probably not where their mindset is right now. More likely they would be the ones moving 2-3 assets to get the 1 right asset. So that probably rules out the Kaut + deal.

Jost is a decent player but his contract won't fit more than likely and he's kind of more of the same of what they have assuming he develops. If they re-sign Strome and having Zibanejad they have (2) offensive centers. They need a young, cost controlled 2-way center. Ideally, someone with a high upside. I think Kravtsov for sure would be available but there would be other pieces as well.

 

[mas0764]

Kaako is a bridge....no other choice....cost more down road..possible.... but its business

You know Kakko has choices besides signing a bridge deal, if some other team offers more, right?

And if he offers 0.5 ppg with excellent possession down the stretch, some team definitely will be open to that idea.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Blais is on a 1.5m contract now, not sure why he'd take league minimum.

What are his bargaining chips? He's NOT getting a QO.

 

[NYR Viper]

Blais' QO will be 1.6 mil, so 2.5 isn't that much of a stretch. I'd rather give him 2 mil per for 3 years though. We have players who may be able to replace him in the future (Othmaan, Cuylle...Barron if he plays wing).

That's fair. I was bouncing between 4 x $2.5m and 3 x $2m. I went the 'worst case' for next year with the higher cap hit.

 

[McRanger92]

I hope you are wrong. You need those firsts to keep a pipeline of talent on ELCs coming in or get a cost controlled asset that's ready to contribute. One playoff rentals aren't worth it IMO, I guess depending on the player.

Im willing to give up a likely late 1st RD pick for a difference making rental, especially with the amount of picks we've made over the last 5 year, as well as, having 2 RD picks in 2022

 

[NYR Viper]

Kaako is a bridge....no other choice....cost more down road..possible.... but its business

And that's also an option. It will hurt long term more than likely but it's a definite possibility

 

[mas0764]

Not sure why you feel the need to ram “the rebuild is over” down everyone’s throats. I don’t see anyone disputing that. I don’t see post after post wanting to trade Strome for a draft pick and a prospect.

The argument or at least my argument is that there is evidence locking up Strome doesn’t work - the stretch run last year when the ice shrank and so did his production.

The front office, Drury included, seemed to understand that and now are all giddy to lock the guy up because he is producing in open ice in the early part of the season.

The question is, can they actually be a legitimate contender relying on Zibanejad and Strome to play 40 min a night and take up $14M of cap space. They are two players whose current game, at least in my opinion, has questions both about being able to produce offense in tight conditions and how well they are able to defend. Handing out immovable contracts to both has the potential to nuke this window.

Homers never want to move anyone they like, just remember that.

 

[NYR Viper]

What are his bargaining chips? He's NOT getting a QO.

Why wouldn't he get a QO?

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Did you read my entire post? I was showing that even by moving those players, they don't have cap space without a major move, assuming Kaako signs long term. Change the trades, but in terms of cap allocation, they were best case scenario as no cap was coming back

But you kinda suggested it as the only option.

 

[mas0764]

Okay, you think Goodrow is being traded after just year 1 as someone else suggested?

I think the Rangers will have a very hard time re-signing Strome to market value, re-signing Kakko if he wants a penny over $2.5m, and keeping Kreider, Trouba, and Goodrow. I think they will have a hard time doing all this even if they move on from Nemeth and replace Georgiev with a min salary backup goalie.

I just don't think they have the money.

I think someone has to go and I don't think this board has come to terms with that yet. They still seem to think that we can just run it all back until 2023 or 2024 and bridge everyone. I don't think that's financially possible. If it is, I think we will be faced with some pretty hard options elsewhere, like letting Blais walk cause we need someone for $800k instead of $1.8m.

So I think until I hear how "keeping everyone," is possible - and every time you mention any high priced veteran being moved, some homer comes barrelling in to chastise you that "there's no chance that player is being moved," - that I simply don't believe it.

I believe someone has to go.

 

[McRanger92]

Why wouldn't he get a QO?

I like Blais but the Rangers probably have to pick between him or Gauthier. With the cap crunch coming, every dollar helps

 

[EdJovanovski]

 

[mas0764]

What are his bargaining chips? He's NOT getting a QO.

Someone offering him more?

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Why wouldn't he get a QO?

You need to 'qualify,' he hasn't... he's played like 50 games in 3 years or whatever, he's always injured.

 

[mas0764]

Up until recently, I would have said a Cup couldn’t be won with Strome as 2C but I’m changing my tune. I think he has really developed in the past couple of years. Especially this year.

Eh, I'm not convinced.

All this talk about getting harder to play against, I think Strome is the exact kind of player who will fold in the playoffs and let you down big time.

We will see, though, cause there's basically no way we miss the playoffs this year and it's apparent the team is not going to trade him even if he's walking come the offseason and even if we were offered an absolute haul (which we should take if offered, but won't).

 

[NYROrtsFan]

The potential rental or two we add for the playoff run is the most important part of this offseason in my opinion. A good move or two and we can really have high hopes.

 

[mas0764]

Rangers need a mid 6 center that can be a go to go for key faceoffs

These days Chytil drives play about as well as Igor and Buch drive cars

The Rangers need a young 1B center who can eventually supplant Mika in hand.

And it's ok to overpay to obtain that player.

And then they need to send Kravtsov some flowers and get him back too.

 

[SA16]

Blais' QO will be 1.6 mil, so 2.5 isn't that much of a stretch. I'd rather give him 2 mil per for 3 years though. We have players who may be able to replace him in the future (Othmaan, Cuylle...Barron if he plays wing).

Whether or not it's realistic isn't so much the issue. If we're going to have issues extending all the kids and whatever we're doing at 2C we should not be signing yet another relatively long term expensive deal for a bottom six player. If he won't take the QO and wants 2.5M he can go see if someone else will give it to him. We could be looking at a 6M+ 4th line of Blais+Rooney+Reaves.

 

[mas0764]

Chytil, Lundkvist and Kravtsov should be good enough to get a middle 6c who can go on some cup runs these next 5 years.

Chytil, Lundkvist and Kravtsov is enough to get you Jack Eichel.

 

[mas0764]

I’d go back to our opening day lineup for a game or two.

panarin Stromer Kakko
Laffy Zibs Kreider
Hunt Chytil Gauthier

chytil and Gauthier play a simple north south game. That will be accentuated even more with hunt. Zibs line at even strength has been extremely opportunistic.

Gluten Free Bread and Butter was the best line we’ve had in ages

I still think this was our best choice to start the season:

Panarin - Strome - Kakko
Lafreniere - Zibanejad - Kravtsov
Kreider - Chytil - Goodrow
Hunt - Rooney - Blais/Reaves

Kreider-Chytil works/worked before.

You don't have to tell Chris it's a demotion, say you will play the top 3 lines evenly, he's just not on one with Zibanejad, plus Chris gets all the PP time. That lineup is balanced.

 

[CLW]

And that's also an option. It will hurt long term more than likely but it's a definite possibility

Imo the Danault offer points at the Rangers planning to bridge Kaapo and Laffy, like they always have done with their up and coming talent.

No doubt Strome wants the Danault contract for himself and he is hot right now, but Drury still has to be smart about this.

 

[NYR Viper]

But you kinda suggested it as the only option.

I don't think I did, just an option. Either way, that's not the point of what I was showing.

 

[Avery16]

I would give Blais 4 x $10m right now. I'd be more than happy to give him more term at that number too if he would take it. He's 1 year from UFA, so if you give him a 'show me' deal, he could just walk.

What in the holy hell is going on in here?

 

[mas0764]

Run the numbers…if Strome stays (which I advocate) at 5.333 then we have to dump/swap Chytil, Gauthier, Nemeth, and Georgie and even then It’s really really tight.

This.

And Kakko has to be at like $2.5m.

God forbid Kakko continues to put up numbers. We won't be able to give Strome even $5m.

And what if they sign Strome before Kakko, then Kakko explodes down the stretch and wants more? We won't be able to afford Kakko!