Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXX

[duhmetreE]

We don't need to account for the bonuses unless they exceed the bonus cushion, in which case we have to account for the excess. The bonus cushion is 7.5% of the salary cap, which will be 6.1875 mil next year. If the total potential bonuses exceeded the bonus cushion by 2 mil, for example, then we'd need to be at least 2 mil under the cap to account for that. But there's no chance we'll exceed the bonus cushion.

For the bonuses to roll over into the following year, they first have to be earned, and they have to exceed our remaining cap space at the end of the year. Whatever the excess is gets rolled over. There's probably zero chance that the full amount of the bonuses are earned, but without knowing the specific bonuses each player got, it's hard to predict. As as an example though, if 1 mil of the bonuses are earned and we have 700k in cap space left at the end of the year, 300k would get rolled over.

Blais' QO is 1.6 mil. I agree that he will get more than that. I also can't see any reason why Seattle is trading us Gourde and retaining 50% for 3 years. They are trying to win too. And I'll believe Kravtsov is still a Ranger next season when I see it. Maybe the relationship can be repaired and maybe Kravtsov will learn to be a professional, but I'm not holding my breath.

I doubt Blais gets much more than a prove it 1 year 1.6-1.8M.

Kakko probably gets the Lindgren deal, even though I'd like to lock him up. So that saves us more cap $$

Kravtsov is probably gone but I've seen crazier things happen. If it's not Kravtsov, Kreider makes the move to RW and Laf slots up. Maybe a guy like Cuylle, Berard, or Othmann can surprise in camp, but I wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket, heading into training camp.

Chytil and Lundkvist is a solid starting point for them. It'd take an extreme over payment. I'm sure they are trying to win but they are way off, if they are being honest with themselves

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

This lists the bonuses, but does it factor them into the cap number? I don't think it does (did a quick tally, not with the calculator, so I could be wrong on that). We can't roll over almost 5 million dollars into 2023. I'm also skeptical that Blais will sign for that small a raise.

A team can exceed the cap by 7.5% for performance bonuses. As a result, any number below $6,112,500 doesn't count towards the cap. Anything over that is considered the bonus cushion.

When performance bonuses are triggered, a team can choose to have them count towards that season's cap, or roll over to next season.

 

[smoneil]

We don't need to account for the bonuses unless they exceed the bonus cushion, in which case we have to account for the excess. The bonus cushion is 7.5% of the salary cap, which will be 6.1875 mil next year. If the total potential bonuses exceeded the bonus cushion by 2 mil, for example, then we'd need to be at least 2 mil under the cap to account for that. But there's no chance we'll exceed the bonus cushion.

For the bonuses to roll over into the following year, they first have to be earned, and they have to exceed our remaining cap space at the end of the year. Whatever the excess is gets rolled over. There's probably zero chance that the full amount of the bonuses are earned, but without knowing the specific bonuses each player got, it's hard to predict. As as an example though, if 1 mil of the bonuses are earned and we have 700k in cap space left at the end of the year, 300k would get rolled over.

A team can exceed the cap by 7.5% for performance bonuses. As a result, any number below $6,112,500 doesn't count towards the cap. Anything over that is considered the bonus cushion.

When performance bonuses are triggered, a team can choose to have them count towards that season's cap, or roll over to next season.

When I was talking about "accounting for the bonuses" I was talking about the roll over. We can't afford the bonuses in next year's cap, but we also can't afford to roll them over to the following year. We get about 3-4 million in dead cap space back, but we will also need to sign Miller and Laf to new contracts. Neither is likely to be cheap. The only way to do that is to avoid unnecessary expenditures for next year.

I doubt Blais gets much more than a prove it 1 year 1.6-1.8M.

Kakko probably gets the Lindgren deal, even though I'd like to lock him up. So that saves us more cap $$

Kravtsov is probably gone but I've seen crazier things happen. If it's not Kravtsov, Kreider makes the move to RW and Laf slots up. Maybe a guy like Cuylle, Berard, or Othmann can surprise in camp, but I wouldn't put all my eggs in that basket, heading into training camp.

Chytil and Lundkvist is a solid starting point for them. It'd take an extreme over payment. I'm sure they are trying to win but they are way off, if they are being honest with themselves

You see them giving Blais a deal that takes him right to FA? You also see them dropping Rooney entirely? The likely move is re-signing Rooney as 4C and then playing Goodrow on one of those RW spots.

As I said before, run that proposal by the Seattle fans and see what their counter is. The actual price tag will likely be somewhere between the two.

You've been beating your chest this whole time and it turns out you don't fully understand it. How can you be so condescending and wrong?

Actually, I understood it just fine. Where was I wrong? I said we had to account for the bonuses because we couldn't afford the roll over, and that's exactly what the issue is.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

When I was talking about "accounting for the bonuses" I was talking about the roll over. We can't afford the bonuses in next year's cap, but we also can't afford to roll them over to the following year. We get about 3-4 million in dead cap space back, but we will also need to sign Miller and Laf to new contracts. Neither is likely to be cheap. The only way to do that is to avoid unnecessary expenditures for next year

After this season, the only ELCs we have on the team are:

- Alexis Lafrenière ($2,850,000)
- Nils Lundkvist ($850,000)
- K'Andre Miller ($400,000)
- Zac Jones ($0)

The odds of the first 3 hitting their schedule B performance bonuses (The big ones) are slim to none. Even if they do, aside from Lafrenière, the performance bonuses don't even scratch the surface. This isn't like 2020-21, where we had 3 players with max PBs of 2.65m or more

Who else?

Morgan Barron ($850,000)
Braden Schneider ($400,000)
Matthew Robertson ($132,500)
Brennan Othmann ($450,000)

I'm really not worried about performance bonuses now that the big guys are off their ELCs.

 

[smoneil]

After this season, the only ELCs we have on the team are:

- Alexis Lafrenière ($2,850,000)
- Nils Lundkvist ($850,000)
- K'Andre Miller ($400,000)
- Zac Jones ($0)

The odds of the first 3 hitting their schedule B performance bonuses (The big ones) are slim to none. Even if they do, aside from Lafrenière, the performance bonuses don't even scratch the surface. This isn't like 2020-21, where we had 3 players with max PBs of 2.65m or more

Who else?

Morgan Barron ($850,000)
Braden Schneider ($400,000)
Matthew Robertson ($132,500)
Brennan Othmann ($450,000)

I'm really not worried about performance bonuses now that the big guys are off their ELCs.

Are you sure enough about it to gamble that we lose Laf to an offer sheet? Most of the serious money we have on the roster has NMC/NTC clauses attached. I'll breathe easier and worry less about things like this once Laf is signed to his 2nd contract. From the day that ping pong ball came up, you know that Montreal was eyeballing summer 2023.

And this is the Rangers. You know the second we stop planning for such things is the second that Laf/Nils/Miller/Barron and Schneider ALL hit their bonuses, haha.

Edited to ask--assuming the bonuses all hit (hypothetical), can the team split the hit between next year's cap and rolling over to the following year, or does it have to be one or the other?

 

[DanielBrassard]

This lists the bonuses, but does it factor them into the cap number? I don't think it does (did a quick tally, not with the calculator, so I could be wrong on that). We can't roll over almost 5 million dollars into 2023. I'm also skeptical that Blais will sign for that small a raise.

The bonus cushion is about 6M so there wouldn't be an issue. Blais doesn't deserve anything more than his QO and I doubt Kakko gets 5M either. The cap situation isn't as tough as you seem to think.

 

[smoneil]

The bonus cushion is about 6M so there wouldn't be an issue. Blais doesn't deserve anything more than his QO and I doubt Kakko gets 5M either. The cap situation isn't as tough as you seem to think.

The issue would be the following year.

So, say the team ends up with $4m in achieved bonuses--even though that would push us over the cap next year, the cushion protects us. But it doesn't mean we don't have to account for that charge. The amount over the cap would get rolled over to the following year (2023-24), where we are just as pinched and need to re-sign Miller and Laf. That is my concern re: the bonuses.

And what Blais deserves vs. what Blais can get, particularly with arbitration, are two different things. I'm not pumping Blais's tires by any stretch. I like the guy, but he's been far too injury prone for my tastes, and I worry that his arb number will be higher than we can afford but we won't be able to walk away from it (because there's no way it's over that $4.5m number).

And honestly, I hope I'm dead wrong on the toughness of the cap situation. I'm worried because I think there are several teams (Montreal and Buffalo at the front of the line) that would love to poach a 1st overall pick from the Rangers after we won the lottery that way (on top of the fact that Laf has the French Canadian thing going for him). I don't want to risk losing the only 1st overall pick in Rangers history because of a Blais, or a Gourde, or a Strome. And that would be such a Rangers thing to happen.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Are you sure enough about it to gamble that we lose Laf to an offer sheet? Most of the serious money we have on the roster has NMC/NTC clauses attached. I'll breathe easier and worry less about things like this once Laf is signed to his 2nd contract. From the day that ping pong ball came up, you know that Montreal was eyeballing summer 2023.

And this is the Rangers. You know the second we stop planning for such things is the second that Laf/Nils/Miller/Barron and Schneider ALL hit their bonuses, haha.

Edited to ask--assuming the bonuses all hit (hypothetical), can the team split the hit between next year's cap and rolling over to the following year, or does it have to be one or the other?

They can decide for each PB. Like I said, I'm not worried about PBs now that we're no longer over that limit.

 

[Peltz]

Didn't say a huge raise. But as a guy with only one RFA year left, who will have arbitration rights, who the team specifically targeted in the Buch trade (taking a lesser package in order to get him), he does have enough leverage to get more than a 100k raise. I like the guy as a player, but he's one that I might walk away from depending on what he might get in arbitration--I just don't see Drury being as willing to walk away from a player he seemed to covet like that.

To be honest, this team looks better to my eyes with Gauthier over Blais. I wouldn’t extend Blais at this point. It’s cap space better spent elsewhere.

Nothing against Blais personally. He played well when he was healthy. And he was injured through no fault of his own. Just bad breaks for the guy.

 

[duhmetreE]

We've found Rooney, Blackwell and Hunt in the bargain bin. Keep that going. Giving Rooney a bigger contract is bad business.

 

[smoneil]

We've found Rooney, Blackwell and Hunt in the bargain bin. Keep that going. Giving Rooney a bigger contract is bad business.

I'm torn between the fact that I DO agree with that statement and the fact that we finally have a 4th line that works for the first time in ages (and Rooney is one of the rare centers who can win a faceoff). If we can squeeze him in on a cap hit under $2m, I'd do it. But I can see him getting squeezed out as well.

Has anyone seen Berard play lately? Is he projecting more as a center or a winger?

 

[duhmetreE]

To be honest, this team looks better to my eyes with Gauthier over Blais. I wouldn’t extend Blais at this point. It’s cap space better spent elsewhere.

Nothing against Blais personally. He played well when he was healthy. And he was injured through no fault of his own. Just bad breaks for the guy.

I said it as soon as he got hurt. It's not a knock on Blais.... Gauthiers speed just adds a much needed element.

Adding speed on this roster should be a priority. Hopefully down the middle. I still think they keep Blais over Gauthier... It'd look terrible on Drury otherwise

 

[duhmetreE]

I'm torn between the fact that I DO agree with that statement and the fact that we finally have a 4th line that works for the first time in ages (and Rooney is one of the rare centers who can win a faceoff). If we can squeeze him in on a cap hit under $2m, I'd do it. But I can see him getting squeezed out as well.

Has anyone seen Berard play lately? Is he projecting more as a center or a winger?

I like Rooney. He's been real solid for us.... but he's replaceable. If/when we get a top9 forward, Hunt could slot into his position.

I could see a Georgiev+Rooney package to EDM ( assuming Georgiev plays like he did last game..... major assumption )

 

[bleedblue94]

I get that. but it would be an overpayment in the near future, something he hasn't earned yet. Somehwere around 5M could be enticing for him long term.

I doubt it. If he takes 3.5 per for two years and and then signs for 7+ after that's much better for him. He is a cocky kid that will bet on himself. If he signs long term it'sbc he got the money he wanted. If not he will bridge.

 

[jay from jersey]

Forget about moving Trouba. Just forget it.

I agree. I don’t think he goes anywhere for a minimum 2 years after this one. Possibly later. But that depends on a lot of variables. Mainly how Schneider in playing in the NHL with a least a year and a half to 2 years under his belt breaking in at 3rd pair.
I think if someone is gone it’s going to be either they let strome walk, or ask kreider to waive super early, (also probably not likely).
But it would def be 1 of them before Trouba at this point in time.

 

[NYR Viper]

It all depends on what Rooney asks for. If he’s okay looking at a longer deal, say 3 years, in order to keep his cap hit down, say $1.25-1.35m per season, that’s a no brainer. Even a kid or vet is going to make around $1m and we know Rooney fits.

 

[Fitzy]

It all depends on what Rooney asks for. If he’s okay looking at a longer deal, say 3 years, in order to keep his cap hit down, say $1.25-1.35m per season, that’s a no brainer. Even a kid or vet is going to make around $1m and we know Rooney fits.

The Isles have been using this strategy of late

 

[mas0764]

Forget about moving Trouba. Just forget it.

Not what Edge says. Just not yet.

 

[rangers1314]

Cuylle and Garland make team Canada for the WJC

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

For this season, Rangers really need to upgrade 2RW and 3RW. Strome/Panarin need North/South player like Hunt but with more talent (if available, someone like R. Smith).

On the third line Gauthier should come off. He just can't produce. Either acquire a 3C and shift Chytil to the RW or find a rental 3RW.

Hunt and Gauthier can be the spare forwards as the 4th line has continued to be effective. Would give the team the depth they need for the playoffs and shouldn't break the bank either.

 

[bobbop]

The Rangers need another forward who can score. I hope the rental market heats up soon.

 

[bl02]

Cuylle and Garland make team Canada for the WJC

That’s great news! Now don’t rush them. Let them marinate for as long as possible please along with Othmann and Berard.

 

[mas0764]

The Rangers need another forward who can score. I hope the rental market heats up soon.

Kravstov

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The Rangers need another forward who can score. I hope the rental market heats up soon.

They have him, they aren't using him right. Lafreniere shouldn't be playing with 2 offensively challenged players.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

The Rangers need another forward who can score. I hope the rental market heats up soon.

Phil Kessel?