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Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XXX

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It`s a similar narrative you`ve used against most players just below age of 30 or over @RangerBoy , but veteran players can play good hockey at least individual. Although if the whole team average age is near 30 it will be an issue for sure in today NHL, but that is a different topic. However I still think we should move Kreider end of this season - especially if we miss in the 2019 draft, and it looks grim at the moment.

I still don`t like that we moved Zucc for a 2nd & 3rd - I highly doubt Jim will resign him now and after the huge pile of injury in the last 2 games among their forwards. If Dallas don`t reach Playoffs - I`m almost 100% sure they will aim for a new direction which is a certain rebuild, and Zucc is gone as UFA. He will not resign there, and we miss with both of the conditional picks unless Rangers sign him in the summer, but I doubt it since we need to bottom out next season to hit in the 2020 draft lottery picks.
 
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Faceless said:
That's not necessarily true. Obviously he won't be scoring 30+ goals or 70+ points in the NHL, but I think his skill and productivity certainly translates into a good 2nd/3rd line player. Moreover, we have no idea why he's still there. I'm fairly confident if he wanted, he could play on an NHL team. Maybe he really loves playing in the KHL. Some players do. He is now a Kazak citizen. I assume he is speaking Russian fluently at this point as well. It's not hard to understand/believe that certain players enjoy their lives there. Despite what many think, the US is not the best place to live on planet earth.

I also think the comparison is fine. And I would go further in arguing that small, skilled wingers often take longer to find their game in NA. There are countless examples. These are the kinds of guys that need to learn how to adapt their style to the more physical game in the west. I think a good comparison is P.A. Parenteau. He took many years shuttling between the AHL and NHL before he finally became an effective player. Of course the classic example would be St. Louis.

It's just not uncommon for smaller, skilled players to take longer to develop. Sure, Dawes had many years here where he had a shot at becoming a valuable player, but maybe he was just a late bloomer. His last real NHL season was when he was 24/25. That's not a good barometer for the player he is now.
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Really long and detailed post doesn’t change the fact that it’s purely speculative. We’ll never know. I believe that if he were good enough to play top 6 minutes on the NHL that he’d be here, not there. Comparing play in two different leagues of differing skill on different size surfaces isn’t a great comparable. Just isn’t. Pick an NHL player that had success later in his career - Marchand would’ve been a better comp.
 
You've gotta be both lucky and good.

I think we've done our part to be pretty good:
Current prime, core to the 5 year plan: 93 and 20.
1st tier Upper echelon: Kravtsov, Chytil, Shestyorkin, K'Andre
2nd level B prospects TBD: Lundkvist, Lias, Lemieux, Howden, Hajek, Keane, Rykov, Lindgren
Question Marks with some degree of value (some will be part of the core, most will not): Fast, Buchnevich, Skjei, DeAngelo, Georgiev, Vesey, Strome, Namestnikov, Pionk, etc.

That is a damn impressive group. Yes, I have my favorites and yes, some of those I'd cast off already - but I'll play a numbers game with that list, with much more coming this June...

Tampa Bay got lucky with Brayden Point. This side of Hughes/Kaako, the basic bitch question becomes: can we get our Point? 66 points as a 21 year-old in Year 2 last season.

If so, we are cooking with fire.
 
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haohmaru said:
Really long and detailed post doesn’t change the fact that it’s purely speculative. We’ll never know. I believe that if he were good enough to play top 6 minutes on the NHL that he’d be here, not there. Comparing play in two different leagues of differing skill on different size surfaces isn’t a great comparable. Just isn’t. Pick an NHL player that had success later in his career - Marchand would’ve been a better comp.
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Your argument is also speculative. You just assume he can't catch-on with an NHL team. You have absolutely no idea whether or not he has tried to make a return or if he has received offers while in the KHL.

And at least I tried to back up my case, rather than you just arguing that 'KHL isn't NHL' and 'he would be here if he could.' If you don't want to have a discussion, then don't hop into it. Simple as that.
 
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I'm not trying to nitpick but you say you don't watch Hartford but have already passed final judgement on a kid in his D+2 season?
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The little I've seen of him at the NHL Level and the few videos/games of hartford I've seen, the kid is nothing special. Middle 6er ceiling.
 
darko said:
Pics or GTFO.
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Alexei Kovalev 27 said:
You've gotta be both lucky and good.

I think we've done our part to be pretty good:
Current prime, core to the 5 year plan: 93 and 20.
1st tier Upper echelon: Kravtsov, Chytil, Shestyorkin, K'Andre
2nd level B prospects TBD: Lundkvist, Lias, Lemieux, Howden, Hajek, Keane, Rykov, Lindgren
Question Marks with some degree of value (some will be part of the core, most will not): Fast, Buchnevich, Skjei, DeAngelo, Georgiev, Vesey, Strome, Namestnikov, Pionk, etc.

That is a damn impressive group. Yes, I have my favorites and yes, some of those I'd cast off already - but I'll play a numbers game with that list, with much more coming this June...

Tampa Bay got lucky with Brayden Point. This side of Hughes/Kaako, the basic ***** question becomes: can we get our Point? 66 points as a 21 year-old in Year 2 last season.

If so, we are cooking with fire.
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Brayden Point and Michael St. Croix were roughly equivalent prospects at the time they each were drafted. Sometimes they boom, sometimes they bust.
 
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He was hoping for the sister
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Well, I have them but I won't share those because they aren't uploaded by them either. I uploaded the other photos with their permission and because they uploaded the photo themselves to their own accounts.

But yeah, it's weird how Crypto Guy jumps to the "why don't you leave those families alone" BS haha.
 
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Faceless said:
Your argument is also speculative. You just assume he can't catch-on with an NHL team. You have absolutely no idea whether or not he has tried to make a return or if he has received offers while in the KHL.

And at least I tried to back up my case, rather than you just arguing that 'KHL isn't NHL' and 'he would be here if he could.' If you don't want to have a discussion, then don't hop into it. Simple as that.
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My argument holds more weight and is much less speculative than yours. Simple as that. Dawes tried, and failed, to be successful in the best league in the world on mediocre or worse teams and found success after that in a lesser league with a larger ice surface. Zuccarello tried, and succeeded, to play in the NHL one one of the more successful teams in the NHL. One has proven himself to be an NHL player. One hasn’t. Those are “the facts”. Musing about whether he’d be successful here after being successful someplace else that’s significantly less difficult and further speculating about his desire to be in the NHL is all conjecture. It’s exactly why it’s a bad comp. Take it from a realtor who has to do comparables for a living - this is a bad one.
 
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Brayden Point and Michael St. Croix were roughly equivalent prospects at the time they each were drafted. Sometimes they boom, sometimes they bust.
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sadly the difference between boom or bust is typically getting drafted by the rangers or not LOL (and yes thats a joke before i get replies lol)
 
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