Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XXVIII

[mas0764]

The only guy I'd splurge on is Karlsson or a prospect consolidation ( Turcotte )

If Drury makes a move it will most likely be in the Donskoi, E.Rod mold. A high energy, good skating middle6 tweener

Yeah my take is, prospects and top picks should only go for future 2C/1C types.

If I’m dealing 4th-6th round picks, whatever. Rentals are fine.

I would still deal Strome and import other rentals depending on the prices.

FWIW not too hot on Hertl.

 

[Ola]

Some rumblings that Fiala is available. I'd love to add him. He'd be a great piece in the top 6.

I like Fiala to, but oh the wing log-jam. Move Laf to center!

 

[Avery16]

This becomes harder to do if the Rangers are in the middle of a playoff push. But if they go on a really bad slide after Christmas and the playoff odds are low, Drury would be foolish to not at least see what the offers would be.

That won’t stop him.

 

[haohmaru]

By the way, you don’t have the monopoly on how to run an organization just cause you have ties. You are really condescending but you aren’t always right.

You're mixing up condescending with realistic.

Trading Strome for a 2nd when your team is (probably) in a playoff spot sends a terrible message to your team about what your franchise's goals are - both long and short term. It's also a terrible trade - if that's all we're getting then keep him and see what happens in the second season.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Hate to break it to some of you, but this is a business. If this team keeps up or is around their current winning percentage come the new year/Olympic break they will be adding.

They will never have this much cap space going into a trade deadline ($9.2MM now/$36MM at the deadline if no other changes are made). That is a massive opportunity if it's managed correctly.

If they are winning the front office will go for it. Panarin, Zib, Kreider aren't getting any younger. Once you get into the playoffs it becomes a bit of a crap shoot and if a team catches lightning in a bottle it doesn't matter if folks don't think this year is "their time".

They will add a Paveleski. They will add a Smith. They will add a vet D with playoff experience on an expiring contract. They will not trade Strome.

If Panarin, Zib and Kreider are firing on all cylinders and Kakko's play of the last few games is consistent they will buy and this team will have just a good shot as any team to win it.

 

[mas0764]

You're mixing up condescending with realistic.

No, I meant condescending.

Trading Strome for a 2nd when your team is (probably) in a playoff spot sends a terrible message to your team about what your franchise's goals are - both long and short term. It's also a terrible trade - if that's all we're getting then keep him and see what happens in the second season.

I can buy that, I think I’d probably take a second for Strome myself, but I understand it.

I wouldn’t understand if the offer is a first in a strong center draft and a future PPG LW prospect. I’d be quite irate.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Here is one thing we know for sure - Nobody knows what the Rangers are gonna do or who they are going to go for because Drury keeps his ship locked up tighter than Gorton did. So Staple, Vince, etc are all just guessing at things.

 

[mas0764]

Hate to break it to some of you, but this is a business. If this team keeps up or is around their current winning percentage come the new year/Olympic break they will be adding.

They will never have this much cap space going into a trade deadline ($9.2MM now/$36MM at the deadline if no other changes are made). That is a massive opportunity if it's managed correctly.

If they are winning the front office will go for it. Panarin, Zib, Kreider aren't getting any younger. Once you get into the playoffs it becomes a bit of a crap shoot and if a team catches lightning in a bottle it doesn't matter if folks don't think this year is "their time".

They will add a Paveleski. They will add a Smith. They will add a vet D with playoff experience on an expiring contract. They will not trade Strome.

If Panarin, Zib and Kreider are firing on all cylinders and Kakko's play of the last few games is consistent they will buy and this team will have just a good shot as any team to win it.

Add away as long as it doesn’t take more than a second outgoing.

This team absolutely does not have as good a chance as any, though.

 

[haohmaru]

No, I meant condescending.

Then you're misinterpreting it. That's my take on it. Bbbop isn't some pompous ass that needs to be condescending. Whether you like it or not, he has a better understanding of "the room" then you and I would ever have.

I can buy that, I think I’d probably take a second for Strome myself, but I understand it..

Ryan Strome has 152 points in 203 games as Ranger as a 2nd line center. Quick math tells me that that's .75ish PPG in that role. I'll bet without looking that's top 10ish for 2nd line centers in the NHL. If you're walking away with a 2nd round pick for that then you're a terrible GM.

 

[Avery16]

You are really condescending but you aren’t always right.

You’re being generous here.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Add away as long as it doesn’t take more than a second outgoing.

This team absolutely does not have as good a chance as any, though.

To get a rental they aren't moving the Kravtsov's, Lundkvist's, Schneider's or Othmann's of the world nor would they likely move a first or Jones.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

 

[mas0764]

Then you're misinterpreting it. That's my take on it. Bbbop isn't some pompous ass that needs to be condescending.

If he doesn’t need to be, then why is that always what he is?

Whether you like it or not, he has a better understanding of "the room" then you and I would ever have.

Great, but “understanding the room,” also predisposes him to biases that will influence his opinions towards supporting that room.

Sometimes a smart GM will have to make a cold, calculating decision, kinda like the one Gorton made when he decided to tear up a team that hadn’t cratered yet in terms of playoff competition.

I don’t know why we always have to be reminded that “the room won’t like it, don’t we understand hockey?” That perspective isn’t always the right one.

Kinda like when he tried to play the “experience is more important than talent because I’ve been in the room,” trump card some time back.

No, he’s still wrong, talent is more important.

Ryan Strome has 152 points in 203 games as Ranger as a 2nd line center. Quick math tells me that that's .75ish PPG in that role. I'll bet without looking that's top 10ish for 2nd line centers in the NHL. If you're walking away with a 2nd round pick for that then you're a terrible GM.

Which is why I suspect he may fetch the Kreider package. In which case we should do it.

But I’m sure someone will be around to remind us how hurt the locker room would be and therefore we can’t do it.

 

[Fitzy]

We have made plenty of moves over the past few seasons that have angered the locker room so I don’t see that as a serious concern.

 

[effen]

The amount of top line prospects and 1st round picks Ryan Strome might fetch is limited only by your imagination.

 

[DudMan28]

Hate to break it to some of you, but this is a business. If this team keeps up or is around their current winning percentage come the new year/Olympic break they will be adding.

They will never have this much cap space going into a trade deadline ($9.2MM now/$36MM at the deadline if no other changes are made). That is a massive opportunity if it's managed correctly.

If they are winning the front office will go for it. Panarin, Zib, Kreider aren't getting any younger. Once you get into the playoffs it becomes a bit of a crap shoot and if a team catches lightning in a bottle it doesn't matter if folks don't think this year is "their time".

They will add a Paveleski. They will add a Smith. They will add a vet D with playoff experience on an expiring contract. They will not trade Strome.

If Panarin, Zib and Kreider are firing on all cylinders and Kakko's play of the last few games is consistent they will buy and this team will have just a good shot as any team to win it.

Exactly. We have to go for it at some point. Can’t always collect futures in hopes of building some juggernaut in the future. I don’t think they’re going to sell the farm for a top liner this year, but adding some top end depth to the lineup is a probability

 

[duhmetreE]

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Id still take Roslovic

 

[duhmetreE]

The truth is there's a much better chance of us trading for a player like Strome than trading him away.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

I think Vancouver is gonna blow it up sooner rather than later. Would love to get Horvat although I’m not sure how they could re-sign him after next season. What would it logically cost you think?

 

[duhmetreE]

I think Vancouver is gonna blow it up sooner rather than later. Would love to get Horvat although I’m not sure how they could re-sign him after next season. What would it logically cost you think?

IMO Horvat is a guy that surives that 're-tool'. I see JT Miller and Pettersson being moved though

 

[Avery16]

We have made plenty of moves over the past few seasons that have angered the locker room so I don’t see that as a serious concern.

Seriously doubt the FO cares what the locker room thinks about moving Strome after we let Fast walk.

 

[Avery16]

Id still take Roslovic

I don’t see them moving Roslovic. He’s from Columbus and happy as a clam to be back there. Doesn’t have to deal with Torts anymore either.

 

[CLW]

The truth is there's a much better chance of us trading for a player like Strome than trading him away.

No doubt, because he is not tradeable. :p

 

[Avery16]

Korpisalo for Georgiev?